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If there was no death (of animals) before the Fall, then why would animals need to eat?

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by pitabread, Nov 8, 2019.

  1. pitabread

    pitabread Well-Known Member

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    See title.

    Animals eat for the purpose of providing nutrients for the replenishment of energy stores, cellular rejuvenation, and so on. If an animal stops eating, metabolic processes no longer have the 'fuel' required to function and the animal eventually dies.

    According to creationists there was no death before the Fall. If animals were no longer in danger of starving to death then why would there be a need to eat?
     
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  2. questionman

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    Where in the Bible does it say there was no death before "the fall?"
     
  3. Dave-W

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    That applied ONLY to humans.
     
  4. solid_core

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    There are many logical fallacies in literal creationism.

    For example, consider common accidents. If some man or animal would have body and head separated, it would have to stay alive, somehow. Even without hearts, brains, without breath. Bodies and all organs as such would be redundant completely.
     
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  5. Not David

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    If Christ has a resurrected body, why He ate?
     
  6. pitabread

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    According to some creationists on this forum, it applies to animals too. There are creationists insisting there were no carnivores because there was no animals death.
     
  7. pitabread

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    That's what people have asked creationists on this forum. Yet we have creationists insisting this was the case.
     
  8. Lost4words

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    Animals are very much part of a vast food chain.

    Except Corgi's
     
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  9. solid_core

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    To socialize with his apostles. Not applicable to wild animals.
     
  10. Dave-W

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    That is ludicrous. Where does the text say there were no animal deaths? Nowhere.

    If, as Rabbinic Judaism teaches, the fall happened just before sundown on the 6th day, there would not have been a lot of time to document what animals were all doing anyway.
     
  11. solid_core

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    Rabbinic Judaism is a desperate attempt to keep judaism working after the temple was destroyed by the Messiah who ended judaism.

    I would ignore their opinions as much as possible.
     
  12. Speedwell

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    And after a bizarre assertion like that, why should we pay any attention to yours?
     
  13. Not David

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    Animals were corrupted by the Fall too and will be regenerated too.
     
  14. 46AND2

    46AND2 Forty six and two are just ahead of me...

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    [​IMG]

    Got some creationist against creationist action in here.;)
     
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  15. solid_core

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    What is bizarre about it?

    Jesus foretold it many times and in 70 AD Jerusalem and the temple was destroyed. It was the end Jesus was talking about in gospels.

    Unbelieving Jews invented how to deny it: they created so called "rabbinic" judaism to compensate for the temple God destroyed and to compensate for the silence of God - the end of Jewish prophets.
     
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  16. Halbhh

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    While there are interesting questions, for this particular one, even the unusual organisms today on Earth that don't seem to have much of an age limit still have to of course take in food energy to...function, like making new leaves or moving around, etc.

    If all organisms had no age limits (for instance if telomere loss didn't cause a limit, etc.), they would be still needing to eat nutrients.
     
  17. renniks

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    We are going to eat in heaven, why would they not eat in Eden? For enjoyment of nothing else.
     
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    ... and they would be still needing to keep their bodies intact and without injuries
     
  19. Vicky gould

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    It does not say their were animal deaths nor does it say there weren’t animal death. The wage of sin is death but sin had not entered the world until the fall. Ge. 1:29-31 indicates man and all living things were going to be vegans. If that is correct no one would need to kill for food.
     
  20. solid_core

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    The wage of sin is spiritual death.
     
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