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If there was no death (of animals) before the Fall, then why would animals need to eat?

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We don't care what you believe, we just don't want it made public policy. And you're not being bullied. You're being disagreed with.
I hate to disagree, but I've sat here and watched AV get bullied by some.
 
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Right.Categorical, actually.

For example, a "stone" could be a pebble, a stone, a rock, or a boulder.

Wine could be either fermented or unfermented, but always starts out as grape juice.
Wine, by definition, is fermented.
 
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It's our job to "rub your noses in it," as you put it.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
get a better job.
this one requires you to be unpleasant to people
 
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In that case, all fruits contain alcohol.
Bingo.
As soon as fruit is picked, or bruised, it starts to ferment.
Grape juice in made by boiling off the alcohol, and adding beet sugar.
Beet sugar requires modern processing.
Also, left out f the fridge, your grape juice will start to ferment again.
 
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Show me the term "grape juice" in the Bible.

Again, it's like using the term "stone" for pebble, stone, rock, or boulder.

Back then, all grape juice was wine; but not all wine was grape juice, it just started out as grape juice.

Until scientists got their fingers in it and confused themselves by splitting them up into two different kinds of drinks.
Scientists had nothing to do with it. Why do you always try to blame everything you dont like, on scientists?
 
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If it's so important to you that you need to think everyone and everyone in Bible times drank wine, including Jesus turning water into wine, then I'll give you credit for being a scholar, but not a wise one.
Wine was pretty much the only safe thing TO drink. Water born diseases were killed by alcohol
 
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