If there was no death (of animals) before the Fall, then why would animals need to eat?

[AV1611VET]

So out of the same curiosity, what was your story on that front? Did a strong Bible-believing church feature?

Well, I go to a strong Bible-believing church.

In the two examples above:

1. God creating the universe in six days, then resting the seventh wouldn't be explained in a way that would cause a person to leave scratching their head. Apparently Brad didn't ask questions after the sermon, but I wasn't there, and it's none of my business.

2. Everyone knows lions don't eat straw in this dispensation, but they will in the next.

 

[SelfSim]

Well, I go to a strong Bible-believing church.

Thanks .. but I was wondering where it all started for you? (None of my business mind you .. so no need to answer if its too personal).

 

[Bradskii]

Okay, thanks for answering.

I'll leave it at that.How did you get to church? by bus? or with the family?

Family. 5 minute walk. Nobody I knew didn't go to church. On some Sundays (if there was scout's church parade) I went to church 4 times. Parade, matins, Sunday school and Evensong. Not including choir practice on a Friday (head choirboy!).

Here's the place: St Michael & All Angels - The Parish of Manselton and Cwmbwrla

Edit: Apropos nothing in particular, our curate when I was a young shaver in Wales became the Bishop of San Diego.

 

[AV1611VET]

Thanks .. but I was wondering where it all started for you? (None of my business mind you .. so no need to answer if its too personal).

I started out with my dad taking me and my sister to an American Baptist church. Mom wouldn't come because she felt she would be a hypocrite.

Dad was very-well liked, and the church would visit us to compel my mom to come; and she wouldn't.

On Sunday, dad would take us to church, then (and I'll say this mildly), Monday through Saturday would employ physical means on us to toe the line.

I sometimes lucked out, simply because I learned to outrun him.

Anyway, he was practically considered a saint by the church members, who didn't know any better.

Suffice it to say, I left God behind when I turned 16, but through His grace, He worked out circumstances that resulted in my wife and I getting saved in an Independent Baptist Church at the age of 27.

Led to the LORD by a bus worker on visitation.

Dad eventually came to truly know the LORD through another Baptist Church, and we spent some good times together before he went home to be with the LORD in 1985.

 

[SelfSim]

Here's the place: St Michael & All Angels - The Parish of Manselton and Cwmbwrla

Edit: Apropos nothing in particular, our curate when I was a young shaver in Wales became the Bishop of San Diego.

Huh? So you really are the hypothetical 'you' of here?
(And perhaps, therefore, a trustworthy dual resident, eh? .. )

 

[Bradskii]

Well, I go to a strong Bible-believing church.

In the two examples above:

1. God creating the universe in six days, then resting the seventh wouldn't be explained in a way that would cause a person to leave scratching their head. Apparently Brad didn't ask questions after the sermon, but I wasn't there, and it's none of my business.

I remember reading Christopher Hitchens' account of field trip organised by his matronly school marm when he was about 10 years old. And she was pointing out the wonders of the English countryside and someone asked her why everything was green. And she said it was because it was a colour pleasing to the eye and that's why God had made it so.

And he rememered thinking 'Hang on. I don't actually know why grass is green but that really doesn't soumd right'. And he reckoned that that was the point where he veered away from belief.

 

[SelfSim]

I started out with my dad taking me and my sister to an American Baptist church. Mom wouldn't come because she felt she would be a hypocrite.

Dad was very-well liked, and the church would visit us to compel my mom to come; and she wouldn't.

On Sunday, dad would take us to church, then (and I'll say this mildly), Monday through Saturday would employ physical means on us to toe the line.

I sometimes lucked out, simply because I learned to outrun him.

Anyway, he was practically considered a saint by the church members, who didn't know any better.

Suffice it to say, I left God behind when I turned 16, but through His grace, He worked out circumstances that resulted in my wife and I getting saved in an Independent Baptist Church at the age of 27.

Led to the LORD by a bus worker on visitation.

Dad eventually came to truly know the LORD through another Baptist Church, and we spent some good times together before he went home to be with the LORD in 1985.

Thank you kindly for sharing ..

 

[Bradskii]

Huh? So you really are the hypothetical 'you' of here?
(And perhaps, therefore, a trustworthy dual resident, eh? .. )

Wales to London to Hong Kong to London to Sydney. Dual national. British by birth, Welsh by heritage and Australian by choice.

 

[SelfSim]

I remember reading Christopher Hitchens' account of field trip organised by his matronly school marm when he was about 10 years old. And she was pointing out the wonders of the English countryside and someone asked her why everything was green. And she said it was because it was a colour pleasing to the eye and that's why God had it so.

And he rememered thinking 'Hang on. I don't actually know why grass is green but that really doesn't soumd right'. And he reckoned that that was the point where he veered away from belief.

Interesting .. I kind of always had a separate receptacle in my mind for the religious indoctrination stuff .. I think having to make up sins in order to have something to talk about in the creepy confessional threw me off that railroad(?)

 

[AV1611VET]

And he rememered thinking 'Hang on. I don't actually know why grass is green but that really doesn't soumd right'. And he reckoned that that was the point where he veered away from belief.

When I hear testimonies like that, I tend to think they have already "veered away from belief," and are using that as the breakaway point.

Growing up, I was so terrified of storms that it bordered some kind of phobia.

Mom tried to console me by telling me God was taking pictures (lightning) and bowling (thunder).

Speaking of the green grass, have you ever heard of the Wordless Bible (or Wordless Book)?

 

[AV1611VET]

Thank you kindly for sharing ..

My pleasure! Thanks for listening!

 

[AV1611VET]

Welsh by heritage and Australian by choice.

Reminds me of how I answer when asked why I'm a Baptist:

I'm a Christian by election and a Baptist by conviction.

 

[Bradskii]

Speaking of the green grass, have you ever heard of the Wordless Bible (or Wordless Book)?

Just read about it. Sounds a little wierd to me.

 

[AV1611VET]

Just read about it. Sounds a little wierd to me.

It's a nice teaching tool.

 

[SelfSim]

It's a nice teaching tool.

For teaching what?

 

[Bradskii]

It's a nice teaching tool.

Here's another: https://www.amazon.com.au/Grandmother-Fish-Jonathan-Tweet/dp/1250113237

 

[Subduction Zone]

Did you see the word I supplanted with "atheists"?

According to the Bible's built-in dictionary, the term would be "atheist," not "creationist."

Yes. It was a gross error on your part. And no, you misunderstood a verse in the Bible. That is not my fault.

 

[coffee4u]

And then one morning the lion woke up and thought 'Straw? No way. I feel like some meat. Morning Bambi!'

And all the antellopes are going 'Whaaa? Leo, what the..?'

I was taught this in Sunday School. When I was a child, I talked like a child. I thought like a child. I reasoned like a child. When I became a man...

Matthew 18:3
And he said: "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Bradskii]

Matthew 18:3
And he said: "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

This post after mine gives tblhe appearance of promoting child-like beliefs.

 

[dlamberth]

2. Everyone knows lions don't eat straw in this dispensation, but they will in the next.

Lions are built to live off of straw. How does that happen?