If there is "no evidence" for evolution...

[xianghua]

You realize it would never happen from a single mutation? It would take thousands of mutations coordinated together to make that happen.

sure. but im sure that if this will happen evolutionists will claim that the fact its happen prove its possible.

 

[PsychoSarah]

yes. but there is a chance that we will get the cat genome by a random event as well (although very small). so basically a cat can evolve from a dog by mutation.

Depends on how you define "cat". Most certainly evolutionary processes could result in a lineage of dogs becoming progressively more cat-like until they seem much more like cats than dogs, but it's unlikely to the point of it being impossible that it would occur due to the same mutations that produced house cats to begin with. There is extreme variety in the genomes that would result in identical physiology, which is how eyes have evolved independently hundreds of times.

 

[Aman777]

What's this "last year" stuff? We have always* known life in the fossil record started in the ocean.

Not so since scientists first announced this July 25, 2016.

Looking for LUCA, the Last Universal Common Ancestor | News ...
https://astrobiology.nasa.gov/.../looking-for-luca-the-last-universal-common-ancestor/
Mar 30, 2017 - Looking for LUCA, the Last Universal Common Ancestor. Around 4 billion years ago there lived a microbe called LUCA — the Last Universal Common Ancestor. ... The study of the genetic tree of life, which reveals the genetic relationships and evolutionary history of organisms, is called phylogenetics.

Meet Luca, the Ancestor of All Living Things - The New York Times
Meet Luca, the Ancestor of All Living Things
Jul 25, 2016 - This venerable ancestor was a single-cell, bacterium-like organism. But it has a grand name, or at least an acronym. It is known as Luca, the Last Universal Common Ancestor, and is estimated to have lived some four billion years ago, when Earth was a mere 560 million years old. The new finding sharpens ...

Scientists find Luca, a single-cell, bacterium-like organism that is the ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › Science
Jul 26, 2016 - Scientists might have found the common ancestor that unites all life on Earth – and it's called Luca. Our ultimate relative was a single-cell, bacterium-like organism known as Last Universal Common Ancestor or Luca. And it could help establish how life on Earth began, at the very start.

It took today's "advanced" Science more than 3k years to confirm what God told us so long ago in the first chapter of Genesis. Gen 1:21 It's testable evidence of God, which means that our generation is the last. Joe 2:28 Act 2:17

 

[Aman777]

Rubbish. I only have to show one Christian who is also a scientist to demonstrate that you're wrong.

We all know about Francis Collins so I'll put his name forward.

God tells us that you cannot know who is or who is not a Christian. Try again?

Jhn 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

 

[Aman777]

That would make "kind" inconsistent, because there aren't clear barriers between groups of organisms against breeding. Species A and B can breed, species B and C can breed, but species A and C cannot breed is a common observation in nature and causes just as much of a problem for "kinds" as it does for the species labels themselves.

That's because "kinds", on Earth, are ALL His kinds or the kinds made by Jesus. Humans are all subject to death (eternal separation from God) and will surely die today unless we are born again Spiritually by The Trinity. Gen 1:26 Gen 5:1-2 and John 14:16 Eternal kinds or Their kinds, "created" by the Trinity are not subject to death and will continue on to Heaven, where their immortal life begins. Genesis 1:21 Some Humans will be lost by their own free choice. It's the only way to be Just since it would be wrong to force them to believe.

 

[Speedwell]

God tells us that you cannot know who is or who is not a Christian. Try again?

That is true. But if they profess themselves to be Christians and appear to order their lives according to the essential basic tenets of the Christian faith, then all we can do here below is to accept them as Christians even if they don't agree with you about the Bible.

 

[Aman777]

That is true. But if they profess themselves to be Christians and appear to order their lives according to the essential basic tenets of the Christian faith, then all we can do here below is to accept them as Christians even if they don't agree with you about the Bible.

Amen, and I welcome their views. What I find is that most study the ancient superstitious religious views of people who lived thousands of years ago. The FIRST 34 verses of Genesis contain the scientific discoveries made in the last days and tell us the complete History of God's 7 Day Creation. All the rest of the Bible refers BACK to these 34 verses and adds details. There is NO way for anyone to understand UNLESS they live in our Age because they don't have the "increased knowledge" necessary to understand those 34 verses. Dan 12:4 These verses ALSO agree with every discovery of Science and History AND reveal our Future. God Bless you

 

[Speedwell]

Amen, and I welcome their views. What I find is that most study the ancient superstitious religious views of people who lived thousands of years ago. The FIRST 34 verses of Genesis contain the scientific discoveries made in the last days and tell us the complete History of God's 7 Day Creation. All the rest of the Bible refers BACK to these 34 verses and adds details. There is NO way for anyone to understand UNLESS they live in our Age because they don't have the "increased knowledge" necessary to understand those 34 verses. Dan 12:4 These verses ALSO agree with every discovery of Science and History AND reveal our Future. God Bless you

That's fine, if that's what you want to believe about the Bible. We accept you as a Christian anyway, despite it.

 

[Aman777]

That's fine, if that's what you want to believe about the Bible. We accept you as a Christian anyway.

I have NEVER had any problem with any Bible believing Christian even though some think I had problems with dad. I have always been accepted by Christians because I am one and they can see it. God Bless you

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Not so since scientists first announced this July 25, 2016.

Looking for LUCA, the Last Universal Common Ancestor | News ...
https://astrobiology.nasa.gov/.../looking-for-luca-the-last-universal-common-ancestor/
Mar 30, 2017 - Looking for LUCA, the Last Universal Common Ancestor. Around 4 billion years ago there lived a microbe called LUCA — the Last Universal Common Ancestor. ... The study of the genetic tree of life, which reveals the genetic relationships and evolutionary history of organisms, is called phylogenetics.

Meet Luca, the Ancestor of All Living Things - The New York Times
Meet Luca, the Ancestor of All Living Things
Jul 25, 2016 - This venerable ancestor was a single-cell, bacterium-like organism. But it has a grand name, or at least an acronym. It is known as Luca, the Last Universal Common Ancestor, and is estimated to have lived some four billion years ago, when Earth was a mere 560 million years old. The new finding sharpens ...

Scientists find Luca, a single-cell, bacterium-like organism that is the ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › Science
Jul 26, 2016 - Scientists might have found the common ancestor that unites all life on Earth – and it's called Luca. Our ultimate relative was a single-cell, bacterium-like organism known as Last Universal Common Ancestor or Luca. And it could help establish how life on Earth began, at the very start.

It took today's "advanced" Science more than 3k years to confirm what God told us so long ago in the first chapter of Genesis. Gen 1:21 It's testable evidence of God, which means that our generation is the last. Joe 2:28 Act 2:17

Doesn't mean scientists didn't know life started in the ocean; does pin down more details about the first life.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

sure. but im sure that if this will happen evolutionists will claim that the fact its happen prove its possible.

Wouldn't everybody, whether or not they were evolutionists? But don't presume its possible in advance of your stipulated "if". Its possible in the sense its possible I could win several million dollar lottery tickets in a row.

 

[Aman777]

Doesn't mean scientists didn't know life started in the ocean; does pin down more details about the first life.

Genesis 1:21 was written long before Science existed. Please try to explain How ancient men who lived thousands of years before Science knew and correctly wrote that Whales and every other living creature began in water. Then, I will show you more things in Genesis 1 which were recently discovered by Science, or will soon be discovered. God hid the current scientific truth in Genesis chapter 1. Only the people of the last days have the increased knowledge to understand. Dan 12:4

 

[pitabread]

Genesis 1:21 was written long before Science existed. Please try to explain How ancient men who lived thousands of years before Science knew and correctly wrote that Whales and every other living creature began in water.

If you actually read all of Genesis 1 instead of cherry-picking single passages, it's pretty obvious it talks about water life arising the water, and land-based life arising on land. Not exactly a miraculous revelation given that even an ancient people could easily see that life exists on both land and water.

So I'm afraid that cherry-picking and narrowly interpreting single passages doesn't win you any points here.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

If you actually read all of Genesis 1 instead of cherry-picking single passages, it's pretty obvious it talks about water life arising the water, and land-based life arising on land. Not exactly a miraculous revelation given that even an ancient people could easily see that life exists on both land and water.

So I'm afraid that cherry-picking and narrowly interpreting single passages doesn't win you any points here.

Yes. Genesis 1:24 clearly says it is the earth that brings forth the land animals.

Gen 1:24
24 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so.
NASU

Genesis 2:19 asserts that the birds, also, are created from the ground.

Gen 2:19
19 Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name.
NASU

Of course, genesis 1:21 seems to suggest the birds came from the water, but they are, after all, conflated traditions.

Gen 1:21
21 God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good.
NASU

 

[Aman777]

If you actually read all of Genesis 1 instead of cherry-picking single passages, it's pretty obvious it talks about water life arising the water, and land-based life arising on land. Not exactly a miraculous revelation given that even an ancient people could easily see that life exists on both land and water.

Poor reading comprehension is indicated. Notice the difference between WHO actually made the living creatures.
Gen 1:20 ¶ And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,


God, Hebrew-Elohim, is a plural name. It is the name of The Trinity, the invisible SPIRIT/Ghost of God. Lord God is a singular name. It is the name of the Son of God, the ONLY God ever formed physically. Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside Me there is no Saviour. Jesus IS Lord.

The invisible Spirit speaks and YHWH/Jesus actually makes the common ancestors, physically. Some from the water Gen 1:21 and others from the ground. Gen 2:19
Jhn 1:3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.

See how simple?

 

[Aman777]

Gen 1:21
21 God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good.
NASU

Amen, except for the above verse. Here it is from the KJV:

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

Birds were made AFTER "His" kind or the kinds Jesus made the next day from the ground. It's the way God sees things. He sees the end from the beginning
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, God commanded and Jesus made the common ancestors, some from water and others from the ground. Amen?

 

[Manny Goldstein]

... then what have they been publishing in the Journal of Evolutionary Biology all these years?

(Not to mention other scientific journals like Evolution, Molecular Biology and Evolution, Journal of Molecular Evolution, Genome Biology and Evolution, and so on...)

Creation and belief in Creation by G-d and G-d alone can best explained by checking into what the Hebrew Bible in the opening words of Genesis has to say about it.

Without studying the original Hebrew text it is easy to get confused by the numerous translations of the original Hebrew. A translation by definition means it is not original and in many cases translations lose some of the original intent.

I can recommend and excellent lecture on the subject one that will forever instill in you an appreciation of G-d and all he created. I believe the link is free. It is certainly worth paying if there is a charge but I last I looked it was free. I hope this was helpful.

May all mankind be so fortunate to believe.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Amen, except for the above verse. Here it is from the KJV:

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

Birds were made AFTER "His" kind or the kinds Jesus made the next day from the ground. It's the way God sees things. He sees the end from the beginning
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, God commanded and Jesus made the common ancestors, some from water and others from the ground. Amen?

I'm not seeing your quarrel with the New American Standard translation. Seems to me it means the same as the King James in that verse.

Your idea that Jesus made the "kind" pattern the next day and God copied that pattern the previous day is - imaginative, it is, however, merely a rescue interpretation of the inconsistency. Of course, your theology would have to be radically altered to admit there is an inconsistency, but hey, reality does rear its ugly head from time to time.

One can simply not take the literal as the divine intent and in that way also deal with the inconsistency. That's the path I take. I view the path you take as being a lot of weird, imaginative speculation.

The idea of species following the pattern of "after their kind" can be understood as a foreshadowing of the idea of a nested hierarchy of life due to common descent of all life.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

My true colors are the same as God's Truth which AGREES in every way with every discovery of mankind. IOW, you haven't understood a word I've posted OR you know down deep in your heart that you are in error, so you wish to run.

Aman, you are a LIAR! Your "True Colors" shows you to be a Dishonest Charlatan! I'll call you out as the evidence shows because as demonstrated below, you ADMIT That Science of Mankind doesn't agree with your FALSE reinterpretation of your version of the Bible:

• Science does not agree that Earth existed before stars existed.

Adam's Earth, made in the first heaven DID. Gen 1:8

• Science does not agree that water existed before stars existed.

Science is ignorant of the Earth where Humanity began. You should tell them.

• Science has no "firmament or alternate universe extricating into this universe" proposition, so this proposition doesn't agree with science.

Tell them to go to Lake Van, Turkey and they will find Adam's firmament on the bottom of the Lake covered in 11k years of volcanic sediment.

• Science has not confirmed the existence of grass before Dinosaurs existed. Even if you are right and Science is ignorant of some firmament or alternative universe extricating into this universe that did have grass before Dinosaurs, the fact remains that Science still has not confirmed the existence of grass before Dinosaurs, so this still fails.

Adam's Earth was made billions of years BEFORE the Big Bang of our Cosmos. Each of God's Days/Ages is some 4.5 billion years, in man's time. Today is the 6th Day.

• Science shows Humans having evolved over time from an ape ancestor shared with Chimpanzees, Bonobos, and other great apes, with emergent intelligence resulting from our evolution. Science does NOT show any evidence of an introduced "Human Race" from another universe/firmament.

Science cannot show the process nor can it be repeated which changes Apes into Humans (descendants of Adam). It's because Apes are NOT the Human kind. One must believe in Magic and have great Faith in the ToE.

• Science shows no evidence of Intelligent Humans existing for billions of years before this Universe began. Instead, it shows Humans are an emergent species of Ape that have come about in the last couple of hundred thousand years or so.

Science falsely ASSUMES that Humans MUST have evolved from Apes since they are "willingly ignorant" of what God told us in Genesis.

You should be embarrassed and ashamed for representing your faith in such a dishonest and deceitful way. Do you even care about honesty and integrity, or are the few parts of the bible touching on that subject reinterpreted too?

 

[Aman777]

I'm not seeing your quarrel with the New American Standard translation. Seems to me it means the same as the King James in that verse.

Your posted:Gen 1:21
21 God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good.
NASU

The version you use takes Jesus out of the verse and destroys the meaning of the verse. Here is another verse which cannot be explained by "its".

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after His kind, and cattle after Their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

I have other verses which show that Lord God/Jesus (His kind) made the beasts of the Earth and the creeping things of the Earth. God (Elohim/The Trinity) doesn't make things for Earth since God the Trinity always "creates" Eternal beings which will be in Heaven, forever. Removing the role of Jesus in Genesis is what causes the ancient theological view to be in error. It also reveals the inability to understand the difference between God and Lord God.