if Harry Potter were real he would be going to hell

[ToBeInChrist]

Didn't Christ die for all our sins?

Yes. That's why I don't want to harbor sin in my heart, I don't want to entertain sin within me, and I don't want to call sinful things entertaining. Jesus died on a cross to cleanse me of sin, not to excuse sin or to be entertained by sin.

 

[RETS]

SO let us all be entertained by Psalms and Proverbs.


I'm sorry if I come across as caustic, but the God I serve, the God who pulled me from the mess I was in, is far more powerful and alive than some Christians make Him out to be.

 

[A New Dawn]

Yes. That's why I don't want to harbor sin in my heart, I don't want to entertain sin within me, and I don't want to call sinful things entertaining. Jesus died on a cross to cleanse me of sin, not to excuse sin or to be entertained by sin.

But you are willing to condemn others to death even though Christ died for this sins. Pity.

 

[ToBeInChrist]

But you are willing to condemn others to death even though Christ died for this sins. Pity.

Where am I condemning others? I am explaining why I don't want to see Harry Potter movies: I don't want to be entertained by sorcery, stories about sorcerers school.

 

[prophecyistrue]

Well, for one, having been involved in the occult, nothing in Harry Potter is even close to reality. Furthermore, as a direct result of these movies, several of my former occult friends have recently become Christians. In talking to them, I found out that they saw a shadow of Christ in Harry. Thought that was interesting.

Finally, I firmly believe in being set free. I have been. I no longer feel the pull of that faux power, nor do I feel the pull of anything else that goes with it.

However, I also firmly believe in remembering where you came from. If you do not, you can be of no help to others in the same situation, because you've no compassion.


The "harmony" between the two comes directly from the Holy Spirit. He has freed me, and shown me how these books/movies can be used for His glory. Knowing this, I can enjoy the movies for their entertainment value, and do so the whole time thanking God that there is nothing the enemy can do that He cannot turn for good.

If another person enjoys the movies, I'm going to encourage them to continue doing so, UNLESS the Holy Spirit says differently. Why? Because though God is no respecter of persons, He is concerned with our well being. If you are weak in an area I am strong, He will impress upon you to avoid contact with this area. As I do not know you, or anyone, as well as the Holy Spirit does, I leave it to Him to lead you in the way YOU should go, according to what is best for your life.


The greatest parallel between something like Lucifarianism or the Craft and Christianity is this: Each of our walks are very individual, our relationship with our Lord is very personal, and what may be all right for me could be death for you.

Which also leads me to observe that it's interesting that Satan cannot seem to have a single, original idea- He must always pattern his abominations after something God has already done.

So basically your saying that the Holy Spirit whom you know is not against the Harry Potter series, for you, he might be for someone else, is this what your saying?

 

[prophecyistrue]

As I've said before, in my particular case (and seemingly in the case of others who have posted here), it has absolutely nothing to do with "being weak in an area". Rather, as both I and others have explained, it has to do with what is ABOMINABLE TO THE LORD. At my end, I feel no need to further the discussion along these lines. I've said what I felt needed to be said and I also heard the rebuttals of others. This conversation is going nowhere and has become the exact type of waste of time that I try to avoid.

Anyhow, thank you for taking the time to answer my questions...even though I have a hard time believing one aspect of your answer.

Is it what he hears the Holy Spirit say?......I find it strange that the Holy Spirit who is and was behind all scripture ever written has suddenly a change of heart on certain matters, that just strikes me as being very odd!

 

[RETS]

So basically your saying that the Holy Spirit whom you know is not against the Harry Potter series, for you, he might be for someone else, is this what your saying?

And with this question you're saying you don't believe in a Biblically accurate belief?

 

[RETS]

Is it what he hears the Holy Spirit say?......I find it strange that the Holy Spirit who is and was behind all scripture ever written has suddenly a change of heart on certain matters, that just strikes me as being very odd!

And I find it odd that so many Christians will pick and choose which Scripture they will live by, and demand others live by, as opposed to taking the whole of the Bible as... Well, as SCRIPTURE.

 

[prophecyistrue]

And with this question you're saying you don't believe in a Biblically accurate belief?

I'm only asking if what I'm gathering from your statement is correct? Am I understanding correctly that the Holy Spirit is perfectly OK with you watching/reading Harry Potter books and movies, because you are strong in that area but possibly He might forbid someone else from watching/reading them because they are weak?......its just a simple question. I'm just asking what the Holy Spirit has said to your heart about this matter

 

[prophecyistrue]

And I find it odd that so many Christians will pick and choose which Scripture they will live by, and demand others live by, as opposed to taking the whole of the Bible as... Well, as SCRIPTURE.

please tell everyone where someone has demanded you do anything? you can watch all the Harry Potter, twilight,vampire,werewolf, psycho slasher movies, all you want, nobody on this thread has demanded you do anything, just a few of us are wondering how witchcraft and sorcery, whether real or fake, has any place in the life of a Christian.

 

[RETS]

I'm only asking if what I'm gathering from your statement is correct? Am I understanding correctly that the Holy Spirit is perfectly OK with you watching/reading Harry Potter books and movies, because you are strong in that area but possibly He might forbid someone else from watching/reading them because they are weak?......its just a simple question. I'm just asking what the Holy Spirit has said to your heart about this matter

This post is asking, specifically:

So basically your saying that the Holy Spirit whom you know is not against the Harry Potter series, for you, he might be for someone else, is this what your saying?

And it is asking this immediately before this post, which says- quote:

Is it what he hears the Holy Spirit say?......I find it strange that the Holy Spirit who is and was behind all scripture ever written has suddenly a change of heart on certain matters, that just strikes me as being very odd!

Emphasis added for relevance.

Now this post states that it was an innocent question- If it is, and I have my doubts, then I certainly apologize for being abrupt. However, I find the general attitude of the post to be in question, especially in light of the comment to GW.

Yes- I believe the Holy Spirit will tell me to do and say and live a certain way which may very well be different from your own life.


Now- the next post then say this:

please tell everyone where someone has demanded you do anything? you can watch all the Harry Potter, twilight,vampire,werewolf, psycho slasher movies, all you want, nobody on this thread has demanded you do anything, just a few of us are wondering how witchcraft and sorcery, whether real or fake, has any place in the life of a Christian.

First, let me say that we're all "telling everyone" with every post, so that was unnecessary.

Secondly, if one read even five pages of this thread, one would pick up on the judgmental tone of the large majority of the posts therein. Has anyone demanded people live according to X, Y, and Z? No. However, there have been insinuations, which are against the rules of this forum I might add, that people are not "true Christians" if they don't agree. Is it outright demanding? No, but it is hardly neutral.

That post provided an excellent jumping off point for that issue, and if you, the poster, feel I was addressing you personally, despite my explicitly stating "some Christians," then I apologize.

It was directed at whomever the shoe fits. I'm trying very hard NOT to treat others as they do me, E.G.:

Is it what he hears the Holy Spirit say?

"He" = RETS Meaning it was addressing a specific member personally. It was not directly addressing me, but an indirect reference is nearly as bad. Think of it as stabbing someone in the back while they watch in a mirror....

 

[God's Word]

Is it what he hears the Holy Spirit say?......I find it strange that the Holy Spirit who is and was behind all scripture ever written has suddenly a change of heart on certain matters, that just strikes me as being very odd!

No. I already addressed that aspect of his post when I noted that the Lord finds such things as are glorified in the Potter books/movies to be ABOMINABLE. The HOLY GHOST will never direct one towards or excuse that which is UNHOLY.

What I have a hard time believing is that RETS' friends became Christians because "they saw a shadow of Christ in Harry". To me, and I'm certainly entitled to my own opinion, that's as preposterous as saying that someone "saw a shadow of Christ in DIRTY HARRY". Seriously, what's the difference? Harry Potter, according to one, simply uses "the tool" of magic...as if he's somehow separate from the ABOMINATIONS which he partakes in. Well, using this same logic (?), Dirty Harry (Clint Eastwood movie, for any who might not know) simply uses "the tool" of a magnum to blow away the "bad guys". What a "shadow of Christ", eh? To me, it's preposterous.

Well, I'm off to work. I'll leave this to you folks to hash out. For me, as the wording under my username states, I'll let God be true, but every man a liar. His Word is forever settled in the heavens in regards to ANY FORM OF MAGIC. I'll stick with that and also raise my own children accordingly.

 

[RETS]

No. I already addressed that aspect of his post when I noted that the Lord finds such things as are glorified in the Potter books/movies to be ABOMINABLE. The HOLY GHOST will never direct one towards or excuse that which is UNHOLY.

Interesting. Genesis 12:17-19 | 1 Samuel 28

Just two examples of the Lord using, directing and excusing things and means which He found abominable.

What I have a hard time believing is that RETS' friends became Christians because "they saw a shadow of Christ in Harry". To me, and I'm certainly entitled to my own opinion, that's as preposterous as saying that someone "saw a shadow of Christ in DIRTY HARRY". Seriously, what's the difference? Harry Potter, according to one, simply uses "the tool" of magic...as if he's somehow separate from the ABOMINATIONS which he partakes in. Well, using this same logic (?), Dirty Harry (Clint Eastwood movie, for any who might not know) simply uses "the tool" of a magnum to blow away the "bad guys". What a "shadow of Christ", eh? To me, it's preposterous.

Preposterous or not, it happened. Was there more to the story? Of course, but I was relating what was relevant to the conversation. One thing I have always appreciated about the God I serve- He's not afraid of being absurd and preposterous, nor is he afraid to use that which is foolish, absurd and preposterous to befuddle the "wise."

Well, I'm off to work. I'll leave this to you folks to hash out. For me, as the wording under my username states, I'll let God be true, but every man a liar. His Word is forever settled in the heavens in regards to ANY FORM OF MAGIC. I'll stick with that and also raise my own children accordingly.

Good for you, GW. In all seriousness, I encourage you; continue to stick to the way which the Spirit has led you. May Love, Grace and Mercy be your companions.


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[A New Dawn]

I'm only asking if what I'm gathering from your statement is correct? Am I understanding correctly that the Holy Spirit is perfectly OK with you watching/reading Harry Potter books and movies, because you are strong in that area but possibly He might forbid someone else from watching/reading them because they are weak?......its just a simple question. I'm just asking what the Holy Spirit has said to your heart about this matter

I do believe that this is true. That God knows us, which includes our hearts and our minds, and He knows what can lead us astray and strengthens us or helps us guard our hearts in areas that we need to guard.

 

[prophecyistrue]

No. I already addressed that aspect of his post when I noted that the Lord finds such things as are glorified in the Potter books/movies to be ABOMINABLE. The HOLY GHOST will never direct one towards or excuse that which is UNHOLY.

What I have a hard time believing is that RETS' friends became Christians because "they saw a shadow of Christ in Harry". To me, and I'm certainly entitled to my own opinion, that's as preposterous as saying that someone "saw a shadow of Christ in DIRTY HARRY". Seriously, what's the difference? Harry Potter, according to one, simply uses "the tool" of magic...as if he's somehow separate from the ABOMINATIONS which he partakes in. Well, using this same logic (?), Dirty Harry (Clint Eastwood movie, for any who might not know) simply uses "the tool" of a magnum to blow away the "bad guys". What a "shadow of Christ", eh? To me, it's preposterous.

Well, I'm off to work. I'll leave this to you folks to hash out. For me, as the wording under my username states, I'll let God be true, but every man a liar. His Word is forever settled in the heavens in regards to ANY FORM OF MAGIC. I'll stick with that and also raise my own children accordingly.

like I said in an earlier post its been found people have gotten saved from going to a Marilyn Manson concert, would we then say the Holy Spirit condones Marilyn's behavior and antiGod lyrics......I would say absolutely not.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

the bibles laws are two periods of time, old covenant and new, some laws will always be law, such as the 10 commandments minus the sabath keeping as this was clearly fulfilled with Christ coming He is the sabath rest

But then there are others that view keeping the Sabbath differently

http://www.christianforums.com/t7579157/#post58133360
ALL READ (Staff/Members discussion) - report-free

I keep the Sabbath. Am I a Judaizer? No, as I do not require it for salvation.

I keep the Sabbath. Am I a Judaizer? Yes, I live some of my life as like a Jew.

I encourage others to keep the Sabbath. Am I a Judaizer? No, as I do not believe it is essential for their salvation.

I encourage others to keep the Sabbath. Am I a Judaizer? Yes, as I teach others do adopt Jewish practices.

 

[RETS]

the bibles laws are two periods of time, old covenant and new, some laws will always be law, such as the 10 commandments minus the sabath keeping as this was clearly fulfilled with Christ coming He is the sabath rest

All law remains law.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by prophecyistrue the bibles laws are two periods of time, old covenant and new, some laws will always be law, such as the 10 commandments minus the sabath keeping as this was clearly fulfilled with Christ coming He is the sabath rest

All law remains law.

Seems like my bro Paul mentioned those in Galatians 4 in relation to the OC and NC Jerusalem if I remember my Bible correctly

http://www.christianforums.com/t7411599-12/#post53632135
Book of Galatians verse by verse Galatians 4:24

Galatian 4:24 which-any/s is an allegory.
For these are the two Covenants, one indeed from mount Sinai into servitude generating who-any is Hagar
30 but what saith the Writing? 'be Casting Out!/ek-bale <1544> (5628) the maid-servant and the son of her....
[Genesis 21:10]

Revelation 11:2 and the Court/fold, the *without/in of the Sanctuary, be Casting-Out!/ek-bale <1544> (5628) out-side/exw <1854>, and no her thou should be measuring,

http://www.christianforums.com/t7272732-6/#post48193672
The Court in Revelation 11:2

 

[RETS]

Lamby, I have to admit something...


I always have trouble following your posts.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Lamby, I have to admit something...
I always have trouble following your posts.

No worries bro....the OC Judeans often had trouble following the sayings of Jesus

Matt 21:24 And Jesus answering said to them, `I will ask you--I also--one word, which if ye may tell me, I also will tell you by what authority I do these things;
25 the baptism of John, whence was it? --from heaven, or from men?'

John 6:52 Striving then the Judeans toward one another, saying, "how is able He to us to give the flesh to be eating?
60 Many then hearing out of the disciples of Him say:, "Hard is this the word, who-any is-able of it to be hearing?"

John 12:34 The crowd answered Him "we have heard out of the Law that the Christ remains into the Age, and how Thou say 'the Son of the Man must be lifted up/exalted'?
Who-any is this the Son of the Man?"