if Harry Potter were real he would be going to hell

[ToBeInChrist]

Anyhow, muttering incantations, performing enchantments, this type of thing, sorcery, is condemned in scripture.

If a work of fiction is going to contain such things and the ones doing it are minor characters or non-humans or evil human's who are to be defeated, in an alternate world where it is alleged one may lawfully do so within various limits that lead to less glorification of the activity, I would distinguish that from fiction where those things are done by major human characters who are the heroes, where the activity is glorified, emphasized, and taught to apprentices.

Apparently your knowledge of literature and music is limited to anything produced within the last ten years.

You must mean someone else, or you missed some of my posts (which is fine). In this thread I brought up comparisons between Lewis' fiction and Beowulf and Spencer's The Faerie Queen. I acknowledged that Lewis' work is more like their work, but contains more theological reflection.

 

[Fireinfolding]

False prophet


1) one who, **acting the part** of a divinely inspired prophet, utters falsehoods ***under*** the name of divine prophecies 2) a false prophet



Here you see a false prophet "plays an acting role" in divine utterances, they come in the Lords name and deceive and these declare "the Lord saith" when He does not.


They say this...


Ezek 13:7Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, ***The Lord declares***" though I have not spoken?

Again, you can see it here... Their words using "The Lord declares"

Ezek 13:6 Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. They say, ***The Lord declares*** when the Lord has not sent them; yet they expect **their words** to be fulfilled.

Our of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks, the same here...

Jerm 14:4 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies ***in my name***: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a **false vision and divination**, and a thing of nought, and ***the deceit of their heart**

They say "He saith" (not "I saith")

Jerm 23:31 Behold, I am against **the prophets**, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, **He saith**.

Again the same...


Ezek 22:28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, ***Thus saith the Lord GOD***, when the LORD hath not spoken.

Shown in Hananiah...


Jerm 28:11 And Hananiah spake in the presence of all the people, saying, ***Thus saith the LORD***


In His name but "their own words" (not His)


Jerm 28:6 the prophet Jeremiah said, ***Amen*** the LORD **do so***: the LORD perform ***THY WORDS*** which **THOU** hast prophesied, to bring again the vessels of the LORD'S house, and all that is carried away captive, from Babylon into this place.***Nevertheless*** hear thou now this word that I speak in thine ears, and in the ears of all the people; The prophets that have been BEFORE ME and BEFORE THEE of old prophesied both **against** many countries, and against great kingdoms, of war, and of evil, and of pestilence.

Jeremiah corrects returning to the prophets BEFORE by which God had spoken, but their speaking is as divining lies

Ezek 13:6 Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. They say, ***The Lord declares****," when the Lord has not sent them; yet they expect their words to be fulfilled.


Its a lie...


Jerm 28:15 Then said the prophet Jeremiah unto Hananiah the prophet, Hear now, Hananiah; The LORD hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people to trust in a lie.

Its teaching rebellion against the Lord speaking contrary to Him

Jerm 28:16 Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will cast thee from off the face of the earth: this year thou shalt die, because thou hast **taught rebellion** against the LORD.

Just as here...what is "equal" to such rebellion...

1Sam 15:23 For **rebellion** is as the sin of witchcraft (the same as **divination**) and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD,

And likewise...

Ezek 13:9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions andutter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign Lord.


God send a powerful delusion, (even one after "the working of" Satan) who is a liar, in the form of a lying spirit... "Yea, hath God said" same thing...



2Cr 18:32 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit (falsehood) in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee.


[Even him] whose coming is after the working of Satan


Seems so, that they might believe a lie

 

[prophecyistrue]

Which, if you think about it, if there was a TV show where a woman called upon the name of dead prophets (angels or whichever) that might be (according to some) a more acceptable form of entertainment given "they bring up the prophets" (inspire a more godly in appearance) form of entertainment. Calling upon those who were the true prophets of God (and bring them up for those who are distressed (that type thing) it could be reasoned that way, well you could hear it coming in that way.

Which is why biblical Christians don't pray to the dead, whether it be prophets or saints, or the virgin Mary most blessed of all woman, Jesus said pray to the Father in His name

 

[bbbbbbb]

Anyhow, muttering incantations, performing enchantments, this type of thing, sorcery, is condemned in scripture.

If a work of fiction is going to contain such things and the ones doing it are minor characters or non-humans or evil human's who are to be defeated, in an alternate world where it is alleged one may lawfully do so within various limits that lead to less glorification of the activity, I would distinguish that from fiction where those things are done by major human characters who are the heroes, where the activity is glorified, emphasized, and taught to apprentices.



You must mean someone else, or you missed some of my posts (which is fine). In this thread up comparisons between Lewis' fiction and Beowulf and Spencer's The Faerie Queen. I acknowledged that Lewis' work is more like their work, but contains more theological reflection.

And what do you make of Tolkien's fiction? Do you see these things are black-and-white issues or as a spectrum ranging from black to white? At which shade of gray should we draw the line? What do you think of -

Peter, Peter, pumpkin eater
Had a wife and couldn't keep her
So he put her in a pumpkin shell
And there he kept her very well.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Which is why biblical Christians don't pray to the dead, whether it be prophets or saints, or the virgin Mary most blessed of all woman, Jesus said pray to the Father in His name

Thats how I see it too, after all Samuel was like "What can I help you with if Gods not answering you"?

But God left Saul and in his distress (and desparation) sought other means to get an answer from God

Besides, as Jesus said ask the Father, so that when we recieve of Him your joy may be full (The Father, wow!) Nothing like it ever!

 

[ToBeInChrist]

Yes, there's a lot of deception and delusion. And lots of excuses and temptations to rationalize.

 

[prophecyistrue]

And what do you make of Tolkien's fiction? Do you see these things are black-and-white issues or as a spectrum ranging from black to white? At which shade of gray should we draw the line? What do you think of -

Peter, Peter, pumpkin eater
Had a wife and couldn't keep her
So he put her in a pumpkin shell
And there he kept her very well.

I'd conclude that Peter took good care of his wife, while she lived in a pumpkin, probably liked eating pumpkin as well as her husband Peter, nice to see marriage still alive in childrens stories instead of just hooking up. you will have to go farther in this nursery rhyme for me to make any judgements as to why he had to keep her in a pumpkin. It may just be they were out of watermellons

 

[abysmul]

I sure hope nobody here is praying to Harry Potter, or suggesting anyone is... LOL

 

[prophecyistrue]

I sure hope nobody here is praying to Harry Potter, or suggesting anyone is... LOL

I'm wondering what difference it would make, if other characters in the Potter series did pray to Harry, none of it is real, why would that make any difference. there appears to be no sin in fantasy and fiction, its an open slate, you can participate in any subject the bible rejects, and its all ok, especially if you give those who participate some good qualities and characteristics........I think satan had some amazing references to his beauty and character too (see Ezekiel 28:13-19)

 

[abysmul]

fic·tionnoun /ˈfikSHən/ 
fictions, plural

1. Literature in the form of prose, esp. short stories and novels, that describes imaginary events and people
   
2. Invention or fabrication as opposed to fact

re·al·i·tynoun /rēˈalətē/ 
realities, plural

1. The world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them
   
2. A thing that is actually experienced or seen

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I'm wondering what difference it would make, if other characters in the Potter series did pray to Harry, none of it is real, why would that make any difference. there appears to be no sin in fantasy and fiction, its an open slate, you can participate in any subject the bible rejects, and its all ok, especially if you give those who participate some good qualities and characteristics........I think satan had some amazing references to his beauty and character too (see Ezekiel 28:13-19)

LLOJ the "dragonslayer" arrives

Rotherham) Ezekiel 28:6 Therefore thus saith My Lord Yahweh,-- "because thou hast set thy heart as the heart of a god,
7 Therefore behold me! bringing upon thee aliens, the terrible ones of the nations,- and they shall unsheath their swords over the beauty of thy wisdom, and profane thy splendour:
8 To the pit, shall they take thee down,- and thou shalt die the deaths of one thrust through, in the heart of the seas.
9 Wilt thou really say 'a god am I', before him who is slaying thee; when thou art a man and not a god, in the hand of them who are piercing thee?
10 The deaths of the uncircumcised, shalt thou die by the hand of Miens,--- For I have spoken, declareth My Lord Yahweh"

http://www.christianforums.com/t7435928/
Has the Satan/Dragon/Devil been bound Reve

Reve 20:3 And he casts him into the abyss, and he locks and he seals over of him, that no he should still be deceiving the nations until should-be-being-finished the thousand years.
After these, it is binding him to be loosed him a little/mikron <3398> time.

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[Timothew]

I'd conclude that Peter took good care of his wife, while she lived in a pumpkin, probably liked eating pumpkin as well as her husband Peter, nice to see marriage still alive in childrens stories instead of just hooking up. you will have to go farther in this nursery rhyme for me to make any judgements as to why he had to keep her in a pumpkin. It may just be they were out of watermellons

I guess I think of that rhyme a little differently. Not quite so sweet. Peter couldn't keep his wife at home, but after he hid her in the pumpkin, she stayed home every night. My version is not for the kids.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I sure hope nobody here is praying to Harry Potter, or suggesting anyone is... LOL

Incense in scripture is shown as a similtude to prayer too, it speaks of setting mine incense (that which is to be offered to Him) before them (other gods) which (by the way) even Jesus said, "Have I not said ye are gods"? Speaking of the Sons of God (in that fashion) whereas they saw calling himself the Son of God as blasheme, all that to say the following.

Even in the OT the brazen serpent represents Jesus Christ (as Moses lifted up...so must I) They were told to behold it... "even as John said behold the Lamb of God" ).

And this was something God (himself) ordered Moses to make, however later on it shows they were burning incense before it, Hezekiah (it says) did what was right in Gods eyes and smashed it.

However likewise Jesus said, ye shall ask me nothing, and for us to offer our prayers to the Father, saying "Father" (and he wasnt saying that He would pray the Father for them). No, because they loved Him (we through him) are made acceptable to God by Christ, through that one Spirit by which we cry Abba Father.

But its interesting that offering incense to the brazen serpent (a representative and foreshadowing of Him) was broken for burning insence to it.

Psalm 141:2 Let my prayer be set forth before THEE as incense

The brazen serpent...

2Kings 18:4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it:

Whereas Jesus says...

John 16:26At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:

2Kings 22:17 Because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods.



Whereas it says...


Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.




As here...


Jerm 44:5 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear to turn from their wickedness, to burn no incense unto other gods.

Heres the crying unto or as offering incense here...

Jerm 11:12 Then shall the cities of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem go, and cry unto the gods unto whom they offer incense: but they shall not save them at all in the time of their trouble.

Or the calling unto (other gods other then Him)

1Kings 18:24 And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD





When ye pray say OUR FATHER which art in heaven hallowed be THY NAME

Love this stuff

 

[Timothew]

I guess I think of that rhyme a little differently. Not quite so sweet. Peter couldn't keep his wife at home, but after he hid her in the pumpkin, she stayed home every night. My version is not for the kids.

Here's another rhyme which is quite similar.
Ice cream, penny a lump, The more you eat the more you jump. Eeper Weeper, chimbly sweeper, Had a wife but couldn't keep her. Had another, didn't love her, Up the chimbly he did shove her.

 

[ToBeInChrist]

there appears to be no sin in fantasy and fiction, its an open slate, you can participate in any subject the bible rejects, and its all ok, especially if you give those who participate some good qualities and characteristics

There are stories where the main characters are adulterers. Desperate Housewives. There are stories where demonic creatures are 'heroes'

Why would I want to train my heart to find such things entertaining? No good reason.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Here's another rhyme which is quite similar.
Ice cream, penny a lump, The more you eat the more you jump. Eeper Weeper, chimbly sweeper, Had a wife but couldn't keep her. Had another, didn't love her, Up the chimbly he did shove her.

Or sometimes they go down the chimney.
Reminds me of an episode I watched on a "1000 ways to die" where a jilted ex-girlfriend tried to get down a chimney and wasn't found for a week [I couldn't find the video clip from it]

List of 1000 Ways to Die episodes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Aired July 25, 2011 on Spike TV

A psychotic ex-girlfriend stalks her newly-married boyfriend and his happy wife to the point of her invasions becoming threatening. Desperate to take their minds off the stalker, the couple go off an a weeks vacation, during which the stalker tries to break in through the chimney and gets stuck. Trapped for a week, she slowly dies of a mix of starvation, dehydration, and suffocation until her body's finally freed by her returning boyfriend, noticing her corpse is preventing him from starting a fire in the flue. (Based on the death of a doctor from the UK in 2010 who attempted to break into her lover's home.) [28]

 

[prophecyistrue]

Here's another rhyme which is quite similar.
Ice cream, penny a lump, The more you eat the more you jump. Eeper Weeper, chimbly sweeper, Had a wife but couldn't keep her. Had another, didn't love her, Up the chimbly he did shove her.

How many woods could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood.....

 

[prophecyistrue]

see I don't even like the PBS cartoon "dragon tales" because it portrays dragons as good. its all part of the conditioning, and from many posters it seems to be working good is evil and evil is good

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

How many woods could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood.....

Don't know.
Never seen 'em chuck wood.

Would Peter Pan and Tinkerbell go to hell if they were real

 

[LinuxUser]

Don't know.
Never seen 'em chuck wood.

Would Peter Pan and Tinkerbell go to hell if they were real

Woodchucks chuckin' wood

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