if Harry Potter were real he would be going to hell

[sbvd]

what does the bible say?

I don't believe that there is such a thing as witchcraft. At least not as described in folk stories and Harry Potter.

What do you say?

 

[Timothew]

I'm surprised at how dull parents are, thinking that witchcraft is make believe, certianly Harry Potter movies push you into believing witchcraft is fantasy, but ask any real witch how much fantasy is there is in real witchcraft and you would be amazed. The bible tells you sorcery is an abomination, yet when young Harry does it, and your kid mimics Harry's sorcery you just smile and say "its make believe", I don't understand why anyone would want Harry Potter or any of the twilight actors to be your kids idols, or to be fans of these portayals of characters, that stand against everything God is against. Drinking blood, performing rituals of witchcraft, I don't understand if someone says "I love Jesus and want to please Him", and then they love these shows and movies, which are in complete contradiction to the behavior and character of Christ. How is this possible? is there no discernment between good and evil, because Harry is considered a good sorcerer, right! and in Gods eyes there are no good sorcerers, they all are evil

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

‪Hell Is For Children‬‏ - YouTube

 

[Timothew]

‪Hell Is For Children‬‏ - YouTube

There are a lot of good scenes in the Harry Potter movies.

If Voldemort were real, would he be going to hell?
Probably not, as long as he had at least one horcrux left.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

There are a lot of good scenes in the Harry Potter movies.

If Voldemort were real, would he be going to hell?
Probably not, as long as he had at least one horcrux left.

Which begs the question, what is the "hell" that Jesus mentioned in the NT/NC of the Bible

http://www.christianforums.com/t7464995/
Why no mention of "gehenna" in Paul's Epistles?

Matthew 23:2 saying "upon the seat of Moses are seated the Scribes and the Pharisees

Matt 23:33 "Serpents! produce of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging of the geennhV <1067>

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus

The parable of Lazarus and the rich man has been the foundation for many of the erroneous beliefs about "hell" within traditional Christianity.

 

[SamAxe]

[quote=Timothew;
I would agee with this posters picture, no explanation is needed to see who the author behind that movie is...........much like all horror movies, you don't have to be a bible scholar to see who's hand is at the wheel

 

[Timothew]

Which begs the question, what is the "hell" that Jesus mentioned in the NT/NC of the Bible

http://www.christianforums.com/t7464995/
Why no mention of "gehenna" in Paul's Epistles?

Matthew 23:2 saying "upon the seat of Moses are seated the Scribes and the Pharisees

Matt 23:33 "Serpents! produce of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging of the geennhV <1067>

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus

LOL!

You have to go to unorthodox theology to get an answer for "what is hell?"
Let's talk about hell
http://www.christianforums.com/t7576214/#post57984103

I don't believe in the fire torment pit of hell
http://www.christianforums.com/t7553603/#post57294531

What does the bible have to say about hell?

 

[Timothew]

I think the picture was kind of a spoof.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

LOL!

You have to go to unorthodox theology to get an answer for "what is hell?"
Let's talk about hell
http://www.christianforums.com/t7576214/#post57984103

I don't believe in the fire torment pit of hell
http://www.christianforums.com/t7553603/#post57294531

What does the bible have to say about hell?

I also have a few threads on the orthodox board of GT concerning that covenantle parable of Luke 16

http://www.christianforums.com/t7538871/
Luke 16:24 why is the rich man calling out to Father Abraham?

 

[brinny]

Pssst....don't tell the kids that!

http://www.christianforums.com/t30166/
How do you celebrate Christmas? [poll]

ROFOLOLOL!!! *almost falls off chair*

 

[suzybeezy]

Incidentally, "evil" ought to be fought by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT and not by any form of "magic".

Made me think of WWJD, hypothetically speaking, would Jesus pick up a Harry Potter book and read it or would he throw it in the fire. I think he'd do the latter.

A lot that we see on books, TV or in films is harmful or destructive from the point of view of a follower of Christ - not just to single out Harry Potter. Just think of the growing popularity of youth-oriented TV shows on teen pregnancy, witchcraft and vampires in recent years - a generation of children are becoming desensitized to this darkness. My daughter and I went to Walmart to get her a book, and there wasn't one teen geared book that didn't have something to do with vampires or sorcerers or witches! We have chosen to now only go to the Christian bookstore for suitable literature. When in elementary school the class read a Harry Potter book as a required reading, my daughter chose to sit in the hall reading something else. Proud mom moment and she said she felt good for not participating in what she knew wouldn't make God happy.

In my home we have parental blocks on our tv (even my 22 yr old can't watch unacceptable material at home). I screen movies on kids-in-mind.com before we go to see them (usually). I do my utmost to make sure I'm setting an example and showing my children what is appropriate and what is not, what will be pleasing to God and what isn't. I'm sure they will not always follow my lead when they're not at home, but at least a standard has been set.

Parents need to discern the spirit of the times, walk in the light, repel the darkness and take a well-informed stand for God's truth.

Ya know I had my 22 year old son say something interesting to me today. He was talking about his girlfriend taking a trip with her parents and how upset he was because her parents are party people and take their daughter out drinking. He said I'm so glad you've always given us boundaries and set standards. Though he grumbles at times "I'm 22 and can't watch a pg-13 movie!", he understands that I cared enough to make sure I'm guiding him in the proper direction. Its nice when they grow and recognize the effort you made to be a good Christian parent, despite how tough it can be in these dark times.

 

[God's Word]

Made me think of WWJD, hypothetically speaking, would Jesus pick up a Harry Potter book and read it or would he throw it in the fire. I think he'd do the latter.

A lot that we see on books, TV or in films is harmful or destructive from the point of view of a follower of Christ - not just to single out Harry Potter. Just think of the growing popularity of youth-oriented TV shows on teen pregnancy, witchcraft and vampires in recent years - a generation of children are becoming desensitized to this darkness. My daughter and I went to Walmart to get her a book, and there wasn't one teen geared book that didn't have something to do with vampires or sorcerers or witches! We have chosen to now only go to the Christian bookstore for suitable literature. When in elementary school the class read a Harry Potter book as a required reading, my daughter chose to sit in the hall reading something else. Proud mom moment and she said she felt good for not participating in what she knew wouldn't make God happy.

In my home we have parental blocks on our tv (even my 22 yr old can't watch unacceptable material at home). I screen movies on kids-in-mind.com before we go to see them (usually). I do my utmost to make sure I'm setting an example and showing my children what is appropriate and what is not, what will be pleasing to God and what isn't. I'm sure they will not always follow my lead when they're not at home, but at least a standard has been set.

Parents need to discern the spirit of the times, walk in the light, repel the darkness and take a well-informed stand for God's truth.

Ya know I had my 22 year old son say something interesting to me today. He was talking about his girlfriend taking a trip with her parents and how upset he was because her parents are party people and take their daughter out drinking. He said I'm so glad you've always given us boundaries and set standards. Though he grumbles at times "I'm 22 and can't watch a pg-13 movie!", he understands that I cared enough to make sure I'm guiding him in the proper direction. Its nice when they grow and recognize the effort you made to be a good Christian parent, despite how tough it can be in these dark times.

Good for you. You sound like a good Mom. I wonder how many of those who think that the things that we've discussed here are harmless have children of their own. I've got three, ages 8, 5 and 4, and they all have very good discernment between what's truly good and what's truly evil already. In fact, my wife just shared something with me yesterday that two different homeschool (we homeschool, too) Moms told her. It's very rare that our children aren't around either my wife or I, but, occasionally, due to my work schedule and my wife having to keep some sort of appointment, my wife will leave our children in the care of another homeschooling Mom. Well, she just received reports from two different Moms about how proud they are of our children. Apparently, in two different households, my children were in situations where the other children were putting on videos that my children didn't deem suitable for them because of their content. In both situations, my children not only got up and went into another room DUE TO THEIR OWN CONSCIENCES AND THEIR OWN DEVOTION TO CHRIST (PRAISE GOD!), but they also told the other children that their Mom and Dad wouldn't want them watching such videos. Even today, as I've been working from home, I watched in delight as my three children were not only watching a teaching video about the flood of Noah, but, more specifically, how my eldest daughter kept on prompting her younger brother to pay attention (his attention span is a little shorter than his two older sister's) because she genuinely didn't want him to miss anything that was being said/shown. It's possible to raise children who love the Lord in such a day and age and "Harry Potter" and the like simply aren't part of the equation. Not even close. Anyhow, keep up the good work. Your posts here have been a real encouragement.

 

[LinuxUser]

Thanks! We have a Dr. Who Club here if you are interested. http://www.christianforums.com/t7405992/

who is that Dr.


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WWJD He wouldn't give into to Christian superstition and understand that ficition is just that and there is nothing wrong with it, He would feel sad for people that can't figure that out

 

[pgp_protector]

I wonder what some would do if they saw me doing some of my Card / Coin Magic In Real Life

 

[A New Dawn]

It's possible to raise children who love the Lord in such a day and age and "Harry Potter" and the like simply aren't part of the equation.

Nobody said it wasn't. But, again, you are creating a false dichotomy. It is possible to raise children who love the Lord in this day and age and Harry Potter is part of the equation.

The veiled flames of people who let their kids watch Harry Potter not being good parents is not appreciated, BTW.

 

[LinuxUser]

I wonder what some would do if they saw me doing some of my Card / Coin Magic In Real Life

they would do this

saying you were this

 

[pgp_protector]

they would do this

saying you were this

Funny thing is I was practicing the Dollar Levitation an my daughter in law saw that & did that

 

[sbvd]

I don't believe that there is such a thing as witchcraft. At least not as described in folk stories and Harry Potter.

What do you say?

Hi, God Word, do you mind to address my questions? If you'd rather not, and that would be OK, please say so I can stop checking for your response on this thread, thank you!

 

[ToBeInChrist]

The problem is you the individual must interpret what that is. Many seem to forget the bible was written not in English but when they see the words in English they than assume that is what it really says instead of really finding out.

Many have taken time to tell others that the Bible does not say what those who go off the English assume it does.

Words do have meaning. God detests astrology and the performances of seances to contact the dead, and such spells as sorcerers do within any tradition of enchantment, etc. God detests homosexual acts and fornication -- people pursue these things in pornography and say it's ok because it's just fantasy -- but they are corrupting their hearts.

I'm not interested in entering into false realities where 'homosexuality isn't a sin but is consistent with Christianity" (i.e., the Anglican Communion), just as I am not interested in fiction about alternate realities where 'humans can engage in spiritism, pursue interpretation of omens, do astrology, and enchant others, and it isn't a sin but is Christian" (i.e., Harry Potter)

At least in Narnia the major human heroes aren't sorcerers or magicians doing enchantments, etc, and the 'deep magic from before time' is distinguished from occultism or demonology but instead refers either to miracles or to the hidden ways of Aslan or the underlying powers that Aslan has given created things and the way such powers worked. There is some filtering required with Narnia, but at least it isn't quite like Harry Potter. The major human hero characters who do anything mysterious or amazing are either A) directly guided by Aslan, or B) disobedient to Aslan and doing something for bad motives that is to be discouraged.

That said, Narnia, like Beowulf and Faerie Queen, is just a bit more edifying for a Christian than Grimm Fairy Tales. And I would NOT call C.S. Lewis a Christian theologian. He speaks on Christianity and he has philosophical and literary interest and training, but he really gives no sense of what Salvation is, and reading him doesn't seem to me to have much to do with specifically understanding Jesus better a more personal level.

 

[God's Word]

I don't believe that there is such a thing as witchcraft. At least not as described in folk stories and Harry Potter.

What do you say?

Hi, God Word, do you mind to address my questions? If you'd rather not, and that would be OK, please say so I can stop checking for your response on this thread, thank you!

To my knowledge, this is the first time that you've addressed your question to me. I did see your brief conversation with "frankleespeaking", but, knowing a little bit about your background (you don't seem to like to get into quarrels...I'm not mocking...that's a good thing), I figured that I'd stay out of it unless you specifically addressed me or said something totally outlandish (which I wasn't expecting you to do, btw) that demanded a response. Anyhow, I'll gladly answer it, to the extent that I can. The reason that I say "to the extent that I can" is because I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "folk stories". In any case, as I've already explained throughout this thread, according to the testimony of J. K. Rowling, the author of the Harry Potter books, she did her research and about 1/3 of the magic that is used in the Potter books is actual magic that others have practiced in the past. Now, you can argue as to whether or not any genuine results came from/come from such magic, if you'd like to...I'm merely giving you this fact, straight from the horse's mouth, as it were. On top of this, as I've also mentioned, in the Potter books there are REAL NAMES of REAL PEOPLE given who have been involved with the occult in REAL LIFE. Now, why would Rowling have to include such, if it's all just "fantasy"? For example:

Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa von Nettesheim (September 15, 1486 – February 18, 1535) was a German magician, occult writer, theologian, astrologer, and alchemist.

A little later on, in the same article, we read:

Agrippa is briefly mentioned in the Harry Potter series, appearing on a Chocolate Frog card. According to his card he was imprisoned for his writings (possibly about magic) because Muggles thought they were works of evil.

Why did he have to be included in the books? He's just one of a few who I could mention, but, then again, I'm just a "muggle", so what do I know? Once again, according to Rowling, the number one thing that she hears from the children who read her books is that they think that people in the books ARE REAL. In fact, some of them ARE REAL, as in REAL OCCULTISTS. Do you HONESTLY think that none of the children who read the books are going to research some of these REAL OCCULTISTS on their own? Again, according to Rowling's own testimony, she receives numerous letters in which children are begging her to let them into Hogwarts. Why do you think that they want to enroll? To learn about JESUS?

Also, as I've already documented, there is one group which reports that they get 100 inquiries per month from children/teenagers who want to learn more about witchcraft as a direct result of the Potter books and such shows as "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and "Sabrina the Teenage Witch". Does this concern you? Once again, it matters not whether or not the "magic" or whatever in such shows is real or not. What matters is that children are being drawn into the world of the occult. Does this concern you?

FINALLY, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY BELIEVE, NAY, WHOLEHEARTEDLY KNOW, THAT THERE IS REAL MAGIC, WHICH IS DEMONIC IN NATURE, IN THIS WORLD.

Pssstttt...I'm married to a woman who was studying to be a witch before we got married. I could tell you some firsthand, eye-witness accounts of deliverances (plural) from DEMONS that would make some of you soil your undies.

I hope that this answers your questions. By the way, if you missed any of the documentation that I alluded to in this post, then I'll be happy to provide you links to such. Thanks. Also, I hope you don't find my "tone" to be too strong in this response. Quite frankly, I'm stunned to see how many professing Christians are defending this type of stuff. Then again, on the other hand, I'm really not stunned at all.