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A cruise ship with over 6000 people on board but having less than 50 guests test positive with Covid-19 isn't getting hit hard. The vaccines are over 90% effective in preventing infection with the disease one could expect several hundred cases if a few passengers had breakthrough infections before boarding.We don't need one article to say everything! We can look at sports teams and cruise ships and etc that were 1000% vaccinated and still got hit hard!
You do realize that the abortive stem cells used for medical research are well-identified? Moderna was developed (as I understand it) from a long line of stem cells dating from an abortion performed in the Netherlands in 1973. The lunatic fringe suggestion that these vaccines were developed with cells from abortions performed at Planned Parenthood clinics last week is nonsense. If you're going to be intellectually honest and carefully research and reject every medicine that has some reliance on abortive tissue in its development, you're going to pretty quickly find yourself telling your doctor "I guess I'll just die now, doc, because I can't take that stuff."God kills babies for medicine now?
How far? Well, as far as rational thinking, healthy living and medical science will allow me. Why would I do otherwise? Even if I thought the pandemic were a plague sent by God, why would I not do my best to survive it? Is there some merit in not resisting disease because I suspect it might be a plague sent by God? Even if that were true, why I would I not also believe the development of Moderna was facilitated by God to protect those with ears to hear and eyes to see? These kind of arguments that attempt to turn medical issues into religious ones just never hold together rationally.
This is starting to sound like the old joke where the guy on his roof in a flood keeps saying he'll "just trust the Lord," eventually drowns, and is greeted in heaven by the Lord saying "For crying out loud, I sent a fire truck with a ladder, a boat and finally a helicopter, you idiot!" (or something like that).I think it's a matter of Belief. You believe that the events of the world is determined by physical things(?). But I believe things are determined by the unseen.
I can't change much, since I'm just a human being. The only thing I can do is to Believe that Jesus will save me, and Heaven will lift me up.
So, why should I, really, put needles into my body, when I can simply avoid it. It may cost me my Life (comfort, daily acitivites, etc), but my True life is with Jesus Christ anyhow. I do not need the world, and therefore I do not need to take the vaccine. I know the Lord will provide a solution.
Moderna was developed (as I understand it) from a long line of stem cells dating from an abortion performed in the Netherlands in 1973.
Great. So all that we have to do is chose which batch are lying.Hi @power1
Yes and many, many, many more, and many experts of other nations, say that it was the best way to attack the disease and try to bring it under control.
To reasonably protect the at risk people is not doing nothing. To encourage and seek alternative treatments is not doing nothing. To stop giving foolish advice (ever changing contradictory advice as well) over masks would be doing something. To triple ensure that all major public advocates of the lockdown agenda are not benefiting from it somehow is doing something. To keep people working as much as possible and protect freedom and quality of life is doing something. To have the drug companies liable for all death and side effects would be doing something. etcIf we should have done nothing, as I suppose some of your experts will be suggesting, then why are we still suffering with the disease? I mean, if doing nothing would have conquered it, surely the things that we did wouldn't overpower doing nothing.
Let's not force people to take experimental gook that the producers insisted that they cannot be held responsible for! Let's not pretend possibly overused masks protect us. Some say wearing chicken wire on your face would keep viruses out as much! Let's protect the at risk without robbing freedom and going full monte nazi! Let's not censor medical opinion that differs from big brother! Let's use alternative treatments that are shown to save lives if people want them! etc. Let's tell the bullies to go to hell.Sometimes one needs to sit back and think through from beginning to end 'what' some plan would entail and how it would have come out. So, let's sit back and say let's do nothing. Let's not formulate vaccines. Let's not distance or mask. So, if we should have done nothing and it would all go away on its own...why is it still here? Think that through.
The biggest risk in some people's minds is the vaccine and agenda! Stop thinking you have any right to force isolation. Give us liberty or give us death. Protect those who actually are at risk and use life saving treatments, and do not ruin people's last days on earth preventing them from seeing loved ones etc.BTW from the historical evidence, pretty much everyone is at risk, so who should we not have isolated?
It is not identifying them that I mind. It is using them in the first place!You do realize that the abortive stem cells used for medical research are well-identified?
You don't get it. It is still based on research using those murdered unborn people.Moderna was developed (as I understand it) from a long line of stem cells dating from an abortion performed in the Netherlands in 1973. The lunatic fringe suggestion that these vaccines were developed with cells from abortions performed at Planned Parenthood clinics last week is nonsense. If you're going to be intellectually honest and carefully research and reject every medicine that has some reliance on abortive tissue in its development, you're going to pretty quickly find yourself telling your doctor "I guess I'll just die now, doc, because I can't take that stuff."
We know.No one could be more unalterably opposed to abortion than I. The fact is, that's how some of these vaccines and medicines were developed.
Then don't blame them on God!I assume God would have preferred they be developed by other means, but they weren't.
But millions may (have already) died and got seriously injured using them!While remaining unalterably opposed to abortion, I'm not going to die over the fact that abortive stem cells were used in the development of life-saving vaccines and medicines.
False. Even God gives us the choice to receive His eternal life gift. Society these days is racing toward a Satanic dictatorship that seeks to force it's way on all.Christians who make these sorts of arguments are never consistent in their positions, and those positions inevitably paint them into a corner of logical absurdities.
While I know we need to take what whistleblowers say with a grain of salt, I found this article interesting.Actually, they were only TESTED using stem cells from a line from 1973. As far as actual production, neither of the mRNA vaccines uses cell lines from abortions in any way whatsoever. In principle, they could have been produced totally without such cells.
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No country can boost its way out of the pandemic,” said the World Health Organization’s Secretary General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus Wednesday.
“Blanket booster programs are likely to prolong the COVID-19 pandemic, rather than ending it, by diverting supply to countries that already have high levels of vaccination coverage, giving the virus more opportunity to spread and mutate.”
Nor should a third dose of vaccine be seen as carte blanche, he added. “Boosters cannot be seen as a ticket to go ahead with planned celebrations.”
WHO warns booster campaigns prolonging pandemic
So neither shots nor boosters are an 'excuse' to enjoy gatherings..or seemingly anything else at all!
I would not trust that at all, it is from the same people that make the vaccines. I wonder if they will be held responsible for deaths and injuries from the pill that they will make untold billions from?I've shared before about the scientist that worked on this drug at the start from the UK and talked about how we better hope they never ask for covid passports or then they can do what they want. They can make you get that booster shot or treat you as if you never got the shot.. heres just one.... Calf heal care workers required to get covid booster shot. Praise GOD here no one is required to get the booster. My wifes work treating it like the flu. There have been 3 I think over the past 4 months at her work that got covid. They stayed home about a week but.. yeah didn't just OH NO spread around the whole office lol. They sit in cubicles.. and ware masks.
Be it my son works with the deaf or my other that works for Lockheed. Haha..some big companies you would think that have FED workers are on top of this.. not at all. .. thats all I will say. So I rejoice with not getting the vaccine praise God.
I think the pill will make it easier for some. Well the US adds Merck Pill as 2nd easy to use drug against Covid. I praise God for that. As long as it works.
You should not trust anything at all that is found only on InfoWars. EVER! As for "trusting Pfizer", it would be extremely difficult for Pfizer engineer a conspiracy in the face of all the government involvement in regulation and oversight. Plus, the incentive to hide this particular bit of information is not sufficient to justify the risk. The reputation of the company means so much more than the small short-term gain from making it "seem" that fetal tissue is used in the making of vaccine.While I know we need to take what whistleblowers say with a grain of salt, I found this article interesting.
"Pfizer’s Manufacturing Quality Auditor Melissa Strickler turned over internal company emails to Project Veritas exposing Pfizer’s intent to withhold information about fetal tissue being used for the development of its COVID injection."
Infowars Article
So it becomes a matter of trust. Should I trust what pfizer says over a former employee?
Maybe we should say the same for msbn or cnn etc?You should not trust anything at all that is found only on InfoWars. EVER!
Is that the government that they give big donations to etc? The government that can't whack babies fast enough and that absolves the drug companies from all responsibility? The government that helps suppress alternative treatments? Very suspicious.As for "trusting Pfizer", it would be extremely difficult for Pfizer engineer a conspiracy in the face of all the government involvement in regulation and oversight.
That is your guess.Plus, the incentive to hide this particular bit of information is not sufficient to justify the risk.
Even if you are correct they still used the research.The reputation of the company means so much more than the small short-term gain from making it "seem" that fetal tissue is used in the making of vaccine.
No. They have a good reputation for truthfulness. InfoWars has none. In fact it has a reputation for falsehoods.Maybe we should say the same for msbn or cnn etc?
As the conspiracy theory is trying to be justified, we see here that it is necessary to hypothesize more and more levels of corruption, which makes the conspiracy theory less and less believable, which is something because it had no believability to begin with, so it ends up just being silly.Is that the government that they give big donations to etc?
Yes, they (and most other pharma companies) did, and that is never to be condoned, and neither do I condone it. However there is a limit to how much perfection we demand from those we deal with, and a limit to the degree of moral culpability incurred by those whose connection to the original immoral act is more and more distant.'Even if you are correct they still used the research.
? Seriously? You thought mainstream media had a good rep? No. I do not even look at those anymore. But you believe whom you like.No. They have a good reputation for truthfulness. InfoWars has none. In fact it has a reputation for falsehoods.
I see. So when people admit truth that is conspiracy and when they work hand in hand, covering stuff up, absolving the other of responsibility, and pouring money into mainstream media, that is accidental? Ha.As the conspiracy theory is trying to be justified, we see here that it is necessary to hypothesize more and more levels of corruption, which makes the conspiracy theory less and less believable, which is something because it had no believability to begin with, so it ends up just being silly.
When imperfect concoctions are mandatory and no accountability exists that is wicked as far as I am concerned.Yes, they (and most other pharma companies) did, and that is never to be condoned, and neither do I condone it. However there is a limit to how much perfection we demand from those we deal with, and a limit to the degree of moral culpability incurred by those whose connection to the original immoral act is more and more distant.'
It is not identifying them that I mind. It is using them in the first place!
You don't get it. It is still based on research using those murdered unborn people.
We know.
Then don't blame them on God!
But millions may (have already) died and got seriously injured using them!
False. Even God gives us the choice to receive His eternal life gift. Society these days is racing toward a Satanic dictatorship that seeks to force it's way on all.
Please, provide statistics from reliable sources about these "millions." Odd t
Mainstream media has existed for several centuries at least, and during that time it has proven more reliable when taken as an aggregate than any other single source of information. Regardless of what one thinks of mainstream media, one should always consider when a story is single-sourced as compared to a story that has multiple independent sources. If CNN were the only source for a story and all the other outlets were reporting the opposite, I would disbelieve CNN too. And here you have a InfoWars story that is confirmed by nobody else. That alone should raise a red flag.? Seriously? You thought mainstream media had a good rep? No. I do not even look at those anymore. But you believe whom you like.
This is called "begging the question" and it has been recognized as a logical fallacy since the time of Aristotle. (Begging the Question is when you assume what you are trying to prove is true in order to prove it is true.)I see. So when people admit truth that is conspiracy and when they work hand in hand, covering stuff up, absolving the other of responsibility, and pouring money into mainstream media, that is accidental?
I have no idea if the "people" in the article are even real, or if they are, that what was reported about them is real.Do you think these people grieving in the article below are in a conspiracy also?
Portraits of people who may or may not have died prove nothing."Dozens of funeral portraits were displayed at Saturday’s demonstration...
History aside it is obviously worthless today.Mainstream media has existed for several centuries at least, and during that time it has proven more reliable when taken as an aggregate than any other single source of information. Regardless of what one thinks of mainstream media, one should always consider when a story is single-sourced as compared to a story that has multiple independent sources. If CNN were the only source for a story and all the other outlets were reporting the opposite, I would disbelieve CNN too. And here you have a InfoWars story that is confirmed by nobody else. That alone should raise a red flag.
I have no reason to doubt the tens of thousands of experts, whistleblowers and witnesses and victims that warn against what is going on. That is logical, period.This is called "begging the question" and it has been recognized as a logical fallacy since the time of Aristotle. (Begging the Question is when you assume what you are trying to prove is true in order to prove it is true.)
I could say the same about your mediaI have no idea if the "people" in the article are even real, or if they are, that what was reported about them is real.
You doubting for no reason proves nothing.Portraits of people who may or may not have died prove nothing.
Not so. Past performance is best predictor of future behavior. Mainstream media, which is a combination of separate news sources, all competing for reputation, have done much better than any single source with no reputation over the past two hundred years of journalism, starting with the big national newspapers, then later radio and television networks. InfoWars has no such pedigree, and such a pedigree as it does have is for falsehoods.History aside it is obviously worthless today.
That might be true if there actually were tens of thousands of experts, whistleblowers and witnesses and victims that are saying what claim they are saying. But their aren't, despite InfoWars claims to the contrary.I have no reason to doubt the tens of thousands of experts, whistleblowers and witnesses and victims that warn against what is going on. That is logical, period.
You could say it, but it would not be true, because the people that are reported about by the mainstream media can be confirmed by multiple independent sources. Not so with your InfoWars stories.I could say the same about your media
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