If booster is useless or worse, what is the point of any of this?

[rturner76]

So now that you know the Left leaning source of the purported "factual" information posted in the OP; are you still concerned as to whether or not it is objective; or are you looking for a source which agrees with how you already feel?

I'm looking for facts. All the opinion stuff is just that....opinion.

 

[miamited]

So now that you know the Left leaning source of the purported "factual" information posted in the OP; are you still concerned as to whether or not it is objective; or are you looking for a source which agrees with how you already feel?

Hi @HARK!

If I might just throw in a point here about the OP. The link does not support the claim that the thread title is trying to make. The link says nothing about the vaccine or boosters not being effective. All it says is that because nations like the U.S. and U.K. and many, many others who are on board with the vaccines, are now pushing boosters, that third world countries, or less developed nations, aren't able to get vaccine supplies that they need.

The report is all about how much the world needs the vaccines! However, the complaint is, that because the boosters are the exact same as the vaccine, only a reduced dose, the greater nations are using vaccine that could be sent to other less developed or more needy nations, to supply booster shots. That report that is linked to the OP does not in anyway whatsoever make the claim that the vaccines or the boosters are somehow not effective, which is the point the OP seems to be making in the thread title.

It's got nothing to do with the validity or lack thereof, or the competence of anyone's journalistic abilities. The link just doesn't support the title premise.

God bless and Merry Christmas,
Ted

 

[power1]

Hi @power1
You did read that article, right? 'Could', 'maybe', 'might'. These are all suppositions of what could happen. I didn't read a single fact that explained that such things have happened anywhere and yet we are 1.5 years into this. How long is this starvation going to take? And a according to the man that they're quoting from, he already said, before covid even reared its ugly head, that 2020 was going to be a very bad year for hunger and famine. So, gloom and doom all you like, there's nothing in this article but suppositions of what 'could' happen because of the supply and labor shortages.

There are thousands of articles probably. Of course most are simply noting trends and realities of how people get food and transportation, supply, etc etc. The world lockdowns obviously will and have impacted all that.

Your other link says that 11 people are 'likely' dying of hunger and malnutrition each minute. Ok, and that's certainly terrible and avoidable, but how many people actually died each minute from the same causes in 2019? Just giving some terrible sounding number doesn't do any good unless there's a comparison to show how much worse it is than it was. Then it goes on to say that 20 million more this year are in 'crisis levels of food insecurity' and clearly states that the suspected cause is war and conflict. Then it allows that both covid and climate crisis may also be contributing to the increase. Nothing really solid is any of that. Do you even read these links you post?

What did you want, pics of bodies? There can be no doubting that a large fragile population in the world, living already on the edge of hunger and starvation will be impacted!

This allows that the Coronavirus is pushing millions further into hunger. Not the vaccines. Yes, I don't doubt that the Coronavirus is making life tough all over the world, but that's exactly why we need the vaccines.

No. The supply shortages and lockdowns would be the bigger culprit.

Look, I'm sorry. And I know that you are passionate about what you believe and that you passionately believe that what you believe is the truth of the reality that is going on outside your window...but I contend that you're wrong.

That is fair game.

Yes, studies show that the vaccines do lose some effectiveness over time. Why did you think they were pushing the booster program? You do pay attention to the national news, don't you? They have for ages been saying that the vaccines reduce in effectiveness over time and so we, therefore, need booster shots. That's why the whole booster program came about. So I really don't know why you think this is some earth shattering news that no one seems to be aware of.

The speed of lessening effectiveness I think is surprising for some. Also how the vaccines don't help so much on some variants in some places, as most of the sick are vaxxed. Then there is the issue of the deaths caused by the vaccines.

Look, as I said, you're free to believe what your mind has convinced you is the truth. I don't deny any of the reports that you've posted as links, but I do deny that any of them lay the blame for any of the terrible consequences that they report on the vaccines.

And I doubt any come close to the actual damage.

 

[power1]

I'm looking for facts. All the opinion stuff is just that....opinion.

Facts are not restricted to your favourite sources.

 

[HARK!]

Hi @HARK!

If I might just throw in a point here about the OP. The link does not support the claim that the thread title is trying to make. The link says nothing about the vaccine or boosters not being effective.

Neither does the thread title.

which is the point the OP seems to be making in the thread title

Seems?

In response to my post regarding purported "factual" information?

Do you see the irony?

 

[miamited]

Hi @HARK!

Neither does the thread title.

So,
booster is useless or worse

doesn't infer to you that the claim is being made that the booster is useless or worse.

God bless,
Ted

 

[miamited]

Hi @power1

You don't get it do you?

There can be no doubting that a large fragile population in the world, living already on the edge of hunger and starvation will be impacted!

This 'reason' that the 'large fragile population in the world are being impacted' is because the disease came...not the vaccinations. Certainly when economies shut down, there are going to be impacts to the people living under that economy. But this is something that all the best medical advice recommends, and businesses have done, to try and prevent even more deaths and serious illness. Very few people want to go to work with the fairly large risk of contracting some deadly disease as the payment of their wages. But yes, that choice will have economic consequences.

It's a dreadful balancing act to have to maintain, but it isn't the vaccinations or the boosters that are causing people and companies and governments to practice stay at home procedures.

God bless,
Ted

 

[Yarddog]

"
No country can boost its way out of the pandemic,” said the World Health Organization’s Secretary General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus Wednesday.

“Blanket booster programs are likely to prolong the COVID-19 pandemic, rather than ending it, by diverting supply to countries that already have high levels of vaccination coverage, giving the virus more opportunity to spread and mutate.”

Nor should a third dose of vaccine be seen as carte blanche, he added. “Boosters cannot be seen as a ticket to go ahead with planned celebrations.”

WHO warns booster campaigns prolonging pandemic

So neither shots nor boosters are an 'excuse' to enjoy gatherings..or seemingly anything else at all!

The article says nothing about the vaccines being useless. WHO wants vaccinations to be given worldwide and not just in well developed countries.

The virus will continue to mutate in the unvaccinated and WHO's leadership fears that giving boosters will take needed vaccines away from poor countries.

 

[Sunshinee777]

Well FINALLY! There's the long awaited "flattening of the curve" we were sold at the beginning of this mess.

Flattening the curve hadn’t ever been so flattening than when it comes to illogical covid measures.

 

[HARK!]

So,
booster is useless or worse

doesn't infer to you that the claim is being made that the booster is useless or worse.

God bless,
Ted

You left out a key point. That was presented as a postulate, which preceded a question.

Do you have an answer?

 

[Irkle Berserkle]

I've had two shots of Moderna and the Moderna booster with utterly no side effects. If it causes horns to grow out of my head ten years from now, when I'll be 81, I'll live with it. The CDC site is quite honest about the very rare but potentially serious side effects, which are typical of almost any vaccine or medicine but should be taken into consideration in each individual's risk assessment.

What amuses and amazes me is how, again and again, issues that should be purely scientific and medical ones are transformed into religious and political ones in the hands of the lunatic fringe, with the Christian lunatic fringe embarrassingly in the forefront. I happen to be quite conservative politically and economically, as well as a regular listener to conservative Christian talk radio, but I retain enough of a grip on reality to recognize embarrassing lunacy when I see and hear it.

 

[Daniel of Sweden]

The aim of these "boosters" may be to see to which length you will stretch to keep your life in this world.
If this is the case, it might go on longer. But obviously if this is the work of the Spirit of Plague, this will go on for as long as Heaven permit. How far will you go to keep your life?
Let him who has ears, hear, and he who has eyes, see.

 

[miamited]

You left out a key point. That was presented as a postulate, which preceded a question.

Do you have an answer?

Hi @HARK!

No, I don't think I left out anything, but you're free to read it as you see fit. Further, based on the body of the OP, it would seem that ineffectiveness of the vaccine and boosters is certainly how they meant to portray their 'postulate'.

Anyway, I allow that we may each read the words and their intent differently.

God bless,
Ted

 

[power1]

Hi @power1

You don't get it do you?



This 'reason' that the 'large fragile population in the world are being impacted' is because the disease came...not the vaccinations.

No. It was mostly the reaction to a disease. The lockdowns etc. Many experts say that was not a good way to handle the problem. For example I have heard it said that a better way would have been to only isolate those at risk, and not to do so in a way that offends human dignity (such as being locked up in an old folk's home unable to see loved ones even in last days of life). Also to use alternative treatments, etc.

Certainly when economies shut down, there are going to be impacts to the people living under that economy. But this is something that all the best medical advice recommends

I don't believe that. I think the best medical folks disagree.

, and businesses have done, to try and prevent even more deaths and serious illness.

Says who? How is not allowing singing worship songs or meetings preventing more deaths than a boxing day sale at cosco, or a liquor store New Year rush line up, etc?? We already have seen that some leaders imposing this nonsense are hypocrites and have traveled and not worn the foolish masks, and etc etc etc themselves. It is a joke.

Very few people want to go to work with the fairly large risk of contracting some deadly disease as the payment of their wages. But yes, that choice will have economic consequences.

Yet nurses and missionaries and others have done that. Then, when they maybe see a bunch of deaths and seizures or serious side effects from probably the vaccines (they might assume) and don't want the gook in them, they are no longer heros, but scum who are fired.

It's a dreadful balancing act to have to maintain, but it isn't the vaccinations or the boosters that are causing people and companies and governments to practice stay at home procedures.

No. It is an agenda being forced Nazi style.

 

[power1]

The article says nothing about the vaccines being unless. WHO wants vaccinations to be given worldwide and not just in well developed countries.

The virus will continue to mutate in the unvaccinated and WHO's leadership fears that giving boosters will take needed vaccines away from poor countries.

We don't need one article to say everything! We can look at sports teams and cruise ships and etc that were 1000% vaccinated and still got hit hard! The decreasing effectiveness could have hundreds of articles posted on that issue alone. The most vaccinated countries getting sick most could have more articles. Etc. Then you make a claim about the problem being the natural people who have enough sense to avoid death and poison as being responsible! Since wholly vaccinated populations are seeing the most sickness in some cases we can't blame others. We also see that variations are affecting mostly the vaccinated as well! In the future for all we know that could be the trend.

 

[Irkle Berserkle]

The aim of these "boosters" may be to see to which length you will stretch to keep your life in this world.
If this is the case, it might go on longer. But obviously if this is the work of the Spirit of Plague, this will go on for as long as Heaven permit. How far will you go to keep your life?
Let him who has ears, hear, and he who has eyes, see.

How far? Well, as far as rational thinking, healthy living and medical science will allow me. Why would I do otherwise? Even if I thought the pandemic were a plague sent by God, why would I not do my best to survive it? Is there some merit in not resisting disease because I suspect it might be a plague sent by God? Even if that were true, why I would I not also believe the development of Moderna was facilitated by God to protect those with ears to hear and eyes to see? These kind of arguments that attempt to turn medical issues into religious ones just never hold together rationally.

 

[power1]

How far? Well, as far as rational thinking, healthy living and medical science will allow me. Why would I do otherwise? Even if I thought the pandemic were a plague sent by God, why would I not do my best to survive it? Is there some merit in not resisting disease because I suspect it might be a plague sent by God? Even if that were true, why I would I not also believe the development of Moderna was facilitated by God to protect those with ears to hear and eyes to see? These kind of arguments that attempt to turn medical issues into religious ones just never hold together rationally.

God kills babies for medicine now?

 

[HARK!]

Hi @HARK!

No, I don't think I left out anything, but you're free to read it as you see fit. Further, based on the body of the OP, it would seem that ineffectiveness of the vaccine and boosters is certainly how they meant to portray their 'postulate'.

Anyway, I allow that we may each read the words and their intent differently.

God bless,
Ted

What is the first word in the title of this thread?

 

[miamited]

Hi @HARK!

Look if cars kill people, why do we still use them?

Does that mean there's some question as to whether or not cars cause deaths?

God bless,
Ted

 

[miamited]

Hi @power1

Many experts say that was not a good way to handle the problem.

Yes and many, many, many more, and many experts of other nations, say that it was the best way to attack the disease and try to bring it under control. If we should have done nothing, as I suppose some of your experts will be suggesting, then why are we still suffering with the disease? I mean, if doing nothing would have conquered it, surely the things that we did wouldn't overpower doing nothing.

Sometimes one needs to sit back and think through from beginning to end 'what' some plan would entail and how it would have come out. So, let's sit back and say let's do nothing. Let's not formulate vaccines. Let's not distance or mask. So, if we should have done nothing and it would all go away on its own...why is it still here? Think that through.

Of course, that's my assumption that your experts said that we should have done nothing. I haven't actually read your experts but I'm willing to hear you out on what your experts say we should have done to address the disease that would have worked out better.

BTW from the historical evidence, pretty much everyone is at risk, so who should we not have isolated?

God bless,
Ted