Icons of Evolution

[AV1611VET]

Yes.

Then evolution can take a hike.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Then evolution can take a hike.

We know that you enjoy making sure science gets a regular dose of exercise. You don't need to keep harping on.

 

[AV1611VET]

We know that you enjoy making sure science gets a regular dose of exercise. You don't need to keep harping on.

Evolution runs on death, decay, and dying.

When Adam & Eve -- (and all life, for that matter) -- first came along, they were perfect and not subject to death, decay, or dying.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Evolution runs on death, decay, and dying.

When Adam & Eve -- (and all life, for that matter) -- first came along, they were perfect and not subject to death, decay, or dying.

So you say.

 

[AV1611VET]

So you say.

You want it in writing?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You want it in writing?

Considering I do not accept that the Genesis account is a 100% accurate and historical story about the creation of the world and its early history, and I especially do not accept your version of the Genesis account at all...

 

[dlamberth]

And in all that time, death, decay, and dying were going on, weren't they?

In all of that time, birth, growth, change and life is also going on.

 

[AV1611VET]

In all of that time, birth, growth, change and life is also going on.

For every birth, how many die?

 

[dlamberth]

For every birth, how many die?

Life is change that consists of both birth and death. Life is not static.

 

[AV1611VET]

Life is change that consists of both birth and death.

Not in Genesis 1, it wasn't.

Nor Genesis 2.

 

[BCP1928]

And in all that time, death, decay, and dying were going on, weren't they?

At the same time as life, growth and evolution.

 

[AV1611VET]

At the same time as life, growth and evolution.

And everything that was born, died; didn't it?

 

[dlamberth]

Not in Genesis 1, it wasn't.

Nor Genesis 2.

Creating new life forms through birth and death is how God is forever creating new life forms.
God's own creation, as created by God with his own hands attest to that truth.

 

[AV1611VET]

Creating new life forms through birth and death is how God is forever creating new life forms.

This isn't Star Trek.

God isn't creating new life forms.

God's own creation, as created by God with his own hands attest to that truth.

I doubt any of us can envision God's creation in Adam's time.

As my pastor pointed out:

We speak of pure this and pure that -- (pure water, for instance; or pure air) -- and in this fallen, cursed world now, we have no clue what "pure" is.

Not even close.

 

[dlamberth]

This isn't Star Trek.

God isn't creating new life forms.



I doubt any of us can envision God's creation in Adam's time.

As my pastor pointed out:

We speak of pure this and pure that -- (pure water, for instance; or pure air) -- and in this fallen, cursed world now, we have no clue what "pure" is.

Not even close.

For myself anyway, it's this life with all of it's pitfalls and blessings that IS the blessing.
Sorry, I don't know how to live with even the thought that this world is cursed or somehow fallen.
It's way too beautiful and perfect in it's own self.

Yes, God is constantly creating new life forms. That's what creators do, they create.

 

[Ophiolite]

And everything that was born, died; didn't it?

And your problem with that is . . ? Seems you are afraid of change and death. How depressing for you. I guess you must hate relay races.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I'm still stuck on what the point of the thread is. Jonathan Wells says the list are 'icons of evolution', while a very cursory reading of his works, and the source of the list, his book Icons of Evolution: Science or Myth?, shows that he is not nearly as knowledgeable about the whole topic as he or others thinks he is.

 

[Gene2memE]

Just so you know, here is a list of Jonathan Wells' Icons of Evolution:

1. Miller-Urey experiment
2. Darwin's tree of life
3. Homology in vertebrate limbs
4. Haeckel's embryos
5. Archaeopteryx
6. Peppered moth
7. Darwin's finches
8. Four-winged fruit flies
9. Fossil horses
10. Hominid evolution

Weird list.

For a start, it ignores published works. You'd need the Darwin & Wallace Royal Society paper and On The Origin of Species, along with Mendel's book on plant hybridisation and Crick & Watson's paper on the structure of DNA. At a bare minimum.

It also ignores fossils like Tiktaalik and Lucy, and fossil sequences like whales, fish to tetrapod and flowering plants.

 

[Shemjaza]

Weird list.

For a start, it ignores published works. You'd need the Darwin & Wallace Royal Society paper and On The Origin of Species, along with Mendel's book on plant hybridisation and Crick & Watson's paper on the structure of DNA. At a bare minimum.

It also ignores fossils like Tiktaalik and Lucy, and fossil sequences like whales, fish to tetrapod and flowering plants.

It's one of the things that convince me that Jonathan Wells isn't just mistaken about the evidence for evolution, he is actually dishonest.

He's one of the "I was an atheist like you and I believed in evolution for X reason." crowd, when X reason isn't an accurate description of why anyone accepts evolution theory.

 

[AV1611VET]

For myself anyway, it's this life with all of it's pitfalls and blessings that IS the blessing.
Sorry, I don't know how to live with even the thought that this world is cursed or somehow fallen.
It's way too beautiful and perfect in it's own self.

Maybe you should get around a bit more? or listen to the news?

Yes, God is constantly creating new life forms.

Not the "kind" you think.

That's what creators do, they create.

Does Ford Motor Company build Oldsmobiles?