I was #NeverTrump. I’ve changed my mind.

[LoAmmi]

That's a scurrilous ... fake fact... untruth... prevarication.

Oh, they had a few interviews with confused people thinking they were getting free phones or whatever. Just remember that this standard needs to apply to Trump voters as well; if we find some confused Trump voters then we can say that Trump voters voted that way for silly reason X. It's a fun game.

 

[NightHawkeye]

That's a scurrilous ... fake fact... untruth... prevarication.

Obama was well known as Santa Clause.

 

[DaisyDay]

Obama was well known as Santa Clause.

The phone program that started with Reagan? Why you people continue to falsely attribute this to Obama is egregiously disingenuous. Yeah, all in good fun, sure aka trolling.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I don't think I could ever change my mind because my ultimate decision was based on blatant unrighteousness and ungodliness, not on political issues. The truth is, politically speaking, I don't care if we move or not move our embassy in Israel; I don't care if we build a wall or not; I don't care if we cut taxes or not; nor do I care if we block visitors from certain countries or not. I do care about war (as I have a 15 year old son and do not which him to be drafted as soon as he is 18 in order to fight a war); I also care about limiting or eliminating abortions and that marriage is between a man and a woman for life, however, President Trump is not a person who can authoritatively speak or represent either issue.

I think Christians need to be prophetic - not about political issues, but about the truth. Nathan rebuked David for truth. John the Baptist rebuked Herod for truth. In general, the prophets of the Old Testament had the job of keeping the king faithful to God, ethically, morally, and spiritually - but not politically, unless it crossed over into an area of a clearly Divine directive. For those of us in Christ, the only clearly Divine directive is to Love God with all of our heart, mind, soul, and strength and to love our neighbor. Of course, we can debate how these two things cross into our American political landscape, but there are some clear practices that are outside of God's will which we can all easily agree to. I can't support President Trump in such areas and I feel compelled to be clear and not subtle about this, regardless of the political agenda. Many evangelical leaders seemed to ignore this when supporting Trump during the election last year.

Thus, I could not change my position unless the President gained some emotional intelligence and he developed an overtly authentic faith where he could appropriately speak in the public square about his past sins and his future stance for truth.

If you are concerned about the draft that will never work again. It takes too long to train, cost too much money and with the test that give now could be too easily blown if someone REALLY did not want to serve. What they are doing instead is offering more money for certain jobs and waiving certain criminal history (usually drug and property crimes) as well as certain medical conditions that used to be disqualfing to meet demand for troops. Trust me there are PLENTY who want to serve that currently cannot because of needing a waiver and I can promise you waivers will be back before the draft ever will. The only way the draft would work today is if they kept it and not just in terms of war but ALL the time and you would still have some of the same issues.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Errr....no there isn’t such evidence. But feel free to prove me wrong...

Anecdotally, look at what AT*T just did...

 

[Aryeh Jay]

If you are concerned about the draft that will never work again. It takes too long to train, cost too much money and with the test that give now could be too easily blown if someone REALLY did not want to serve. What they are doing instead is offering more money for certain jobs and waiving certain criminal history (usually drug and property crimes) as well as certain medical conditions that used to be disqualfing to meet demand for troops. Trust me there are PLENTY who want to serve that currently cannot because of needing a waiver and I can promise you waivers will be back before the draft ever will. The only way the draft would work today is if they kept it and not just in terms of war but ALL the time and you would still have some of the same issues.

I don’t think wavers are a good idea. Bowe Bergdahl got a waver for the Army after the Coast Guard discharged him three weeks into basic training because he was a nut job.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Yes, it’s such a crazy country here...

The 12 best countries to live in around the world

Hey, we’re only number 2, but we try harder.....

You really believe that article? Especially when it lists Switzerland as first.

 

[Root of Jesse]

...and you’d probably hate our crazy city life...

No US cities make the world's top 10 most livable list—but these Canadian and Australian ones did

Well, put it this way. I won't even visit Australia again. It's too much bother. I'd rather visit the Philippines and Malaysia.

 

[Root of Jesse]

We've waited. We've seen. We're not impressed.

But by all means, continue to lower the bar for his benefit. Compliment him on the marvelous way he exchanges oxygen for carbon dioxide.

You're waiting. You're seeing. That's present tense. We have now seen what Obama did. And we're trying to change it.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

You really believe that article? Especially when it lists Switzerland as first.

Switzerland appears to be 3rd on the list and Norway is 1st.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You're waiting. You're seeing. That's present tense.

In reference to the first quarter of his presidency, it's past tense... and none too impressive.

We have now seen what Obama did. And we're trying to change it.

And I have no doubt you will... perhaps Donald can change it into something good for a change?

Because what we've waited for and seen thus far (that's past tense) is, as noted, none too impressive.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I don’t think wavers are a good idea. Bowe Bergdahl got a waver for the Army after the Coast Guard discharged him three weeks into basic training because he was a nut job.

some waivers are good some are bad, but for a wide range of reasons the draft ( other than having it all the time which would defeat our pride in an all volunteer force ( which is probably better anyway is simply no longer a viable option. It was great when they could train you for six to eight weeks and send you off not so much anymore ( particularly with the ASVAB now where one could simply blow the test and you would not know who blew it and who honestly could not hack it or either you would end up with WAY too many of the first group doing jobs that any old body could do and lack jobs that took more effort and training.

 

[SolomonVII]

The countries on the top of any 'best places to live' list tend to be imbued with Western values and Western institutions.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The countries on the top of any 'best places to live' list tend to be imbued with Western values and Western institutions.

True enough... but there are also plenty of countries with Western values and Western institutions you wouldn't live in if they paid you...

 

[NightHawkeye]

True enough... but there are also plenty of countries with Western values and Western institutions you wouldn't live in if they paid you...

Name one.

 

[Terminal_Marxicity]

But what, politically speaking, does it accomplish?

I think it might be to shake up the Saudi/Israeli alliance looking for war against Iran.

 

[rambot]

Name one.

France

 

[Terminal_Marxicity]

France

If it weren't for all the migrant violence, France would be alright.

 

[NightHawkeye]

France

Meh. Not my favorite country, but I would go there if necessary. I've been to worse places.

Worst thing about going to France is that the French don't like Americans. :shrug:

 

[Terminal_Marxicity]

Meh. Not my favorite country, but I would go there if necessary. I've been to worse places.

Worst thing about going to France is that the French don't like Americans. :shrug:

We should have just kept the whole country after liberating it. They clearly aren't fit to run it.