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I was #NeverTrump. I’ve changed my mind.

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I don't know about you, but I'm one of the little guys working a regular ol job. I've recorded my last few tax deductions from my pay checks and I'm going to compare them to the taxes on my paychecks after the tax bill goes into effect. I'll let you know if I've been pummeled.

Fortunately, I live about 10,000 km away from the craziness that your country is becoming...
 
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I'm not sure how to work the quote system as well as you, so bear with me.

Quite all right.

"Trump hasn't shown any Christian values"
- I'll give an example of one. After the Orlando shooting at that gay clubhouse Trump spoke friendly to the gays and criticized the Islamic terrorists for killing people strictly for their beliefs.

"Speaking friendly to the gays" isn't going to win him any points with the Christians under normal circumstances. Besides, a few "thought and prayers" (and little else) after a bloodbath do little to compensate for the anti-LGBT policies he set in motion.

"I'm not giving a reason because it's self-evident"
- Well, I thought so about why the article I linked to about the unemployment rates, but someone asked me to quote the part I thought was relevant, and I did. Obviously it's not self evident if someone has to ask for it.

The same unemployment rates which were steadily declining since before he took office?

"Border patrol expanded refuted"
- Yes, I corrected myself as I meant to say Trump put in plans to increase the number of agents by at least 5,000.

Odd, considering he's also enacted a complete hiring freeze for federal employees...

"Sanctuary city fund cutting unconstitutional"
- I don't believe it's been fully resolved yet.

True, Donald still has the appeals process available to him, as for any other American, but I must say, he doesn't seem to have much of a Constitutional leg to stand on.

The power of the purse is under the control of the Legislative branch... that's why Donald doesn't get a wall unless and until Congress includes it in the budget. In the case of sanctuary cities/states, those federal funds were already introduced, debated, voted on, and approved by Congress. Once Congress approves funding for something, only Congress can rescind it.

Donald could have petitioned Congress to change their minds, which would've led to a new resolution to be voted on... which would have probably failed. Instead, he tried to overstep his COnstitutional authority via executive order... and got stopped.

"Asking government leaders to fight home grown terrorism"
- You seem to think him meeting with the middle-eastern leaders and them agreeing to do so is meaningless.

I am a firm believer in the "talk is cheap" school of thought.

Well, the Crown Prince recently saying they'll fight terrorism until it's eradicated because he won't allow them to distort their "peaceful" religion and placing an embargo on Qatar for supporting terrorism isn't exactly nothing. Saudi Prince: Coalition will fight terrorism until it's eradicated - CNN

Just so we're clear, this is the same Crown prince who recently rooted out scores of "corrupt" government officials and replaced them with... himself, right?

"Trump didn't ban all countries with terrorists"
- He can only do so much and get away with it, but he did put travel restrictions on the 7 countries the Obama administration listed as being terrorist hot spots, and Saudi Arabia wasn't on it.

fair enough -- but remember those two big buildings in lower Manhattan? Remember the guys who took them down? What country were they from again?
 
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Well then, I guess it is a good thing that there are some of us that are not afraid of ‘those we cannot speak of’ and wear a uniform and occasionally get the chance to go and kill them.
sounds like a threat???
 
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If that were the case, why was Trump pushing for 15,000 more agents and the wall?
He had incomplete data when he said that. No president has complete data when he makes promises, at least none in the era since the 60's.
 
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There is no evidence to support the theory that tax breaks for corporations = more jobs. That’s part of the con...
But there is evidence that more money in the corporate pocket puts more money in the employee pocket.
 
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Fortunately, I live about 10,000 km away from the craziness that your country is becoming...
Thankfully, I was fanciful of living in Australia, back in the 80's, but couldn't, so didn't. Now I'm glad I didn't, for the same things you said here...the craziness your country is becoming...
 
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You asked the question. Sorry, I am not a mind reader.
I noticed that you considered using words that would get you banned, so kind of know where you come from.
 
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I was #NeverTrump. I’ve changed my mind.

What ended up doing it for me is the body of work he’s accumulated without the help of Congress. I’m no fan of executive orders, but after a flurry of mostly righteous orders in the beginning that reversed many of Obama’s failing orders, he started calming down. The ones he ended up putting in place, from the various travel bans to pulling back on Obamacare to trying to cutting the bureaucracy down to size were all positives. I started saying fewer and fewer bad things about him because he simply wasn’t doing very many things worthy of complaint.

Then, there was Jerusalem. That’s what sold me. He did what every President should have done since 1967. This isn’t a 22-year-old endeavor. It’s a five-decade-old series of failures by American Presidents, including Ronald Reagan, that Trump finally corrected
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The decision on Jerusalem best demonstrates Trump's unique strength.
Everybody since 1967 knew it was the right thing to do, but got mired in overthinking of all the possible permutations and combinations and worries about what the world might think.

Trump does not overthink literally anything. Even if he obsessively cares about what people think of him, he does not overthink about that into guiding his actions.
He just be a Nike man, he just does does it.

For some lesser countries, dependent on the good will of the world to survive, overthinking is a very good strategy. A rabbit in a world full of foxes, or a mouse in a world full of owls really really needs to overthink everything before making a move.

But Trump is president of America. Eagles do not need to concern themselves with what the rabbit thinks of them.
Just do it.
 
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I noticed that you considered using words that would get you banned, so kind of know where you come from.

Oh really, I was an Ambassador and Senior Ambassador for a bit, what words are those?
 
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The decision on Jerusalem best demonstrates Trump's unique strength.
Everybody since 1967 knew it was the right thing to do, but got mired in overthinking of all the possible permutations and combinations and worries about what the world might think.

Trump does not overthink literally anything. Even if he obsessively cares about what people think of him, he does not overthink about that into guiding his actions.
He just be a Nike man, he just does does it.

For some lesser countries, dependent on the good will of the world to survive, overthinking is a very good strategy. A rabbit in a world full of foxes, or a mouse in a world full of owls really really needs to overthink everything before making a move.

But Trump is president of America. Eagles do not need to concern themselves with what the rabbit thinks of them.
Just do it.

Trump signed the waver after his announcement that all the other Presidents signed.

After Jerusalem recognition, Trump signs waiver delaying embassy move
 
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Quite all right.

fair enough -- but remember those two big buildings in lower Manhattan? Remember the guys who took them down? What country were they from again?

Hey again. I'm fine with most of your answers, but this one I think deserves a response to. I don't profess to know how it was determined which places were hot spots for terrorism, but I do know that it's not sufficient to use one extreme example as a reason to say Saudi Arabia is a hot spot. Using the same kind of logic, it could be argued we are a hot spot for terrorism due to the OKC bombing.
 
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Do share the referenced evidence.....
To be fair, I first brought this up and whoever it was that responded to me first simply said I was wrong without giving any reasoning at all. I did give my reasoning for that, granted it's not some scientific multi-year study I did, but it's logic regardless. I think it's up to you now to provide some reasoning yourself to counter my claim. You don't get to just say "You're wrong" without giving a reason as to why.
 
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Thinly veiled accusations of threats then you disappear?
Sir, I do much more than just troll Christian websites, as you do. I have nothing more to say to you.
 
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Hey again. I'm fine with most of your answers, but this one I think deserves a response to. I don't profess to know how it was determined which places were hot spots for terrorism, but I do know that it's not sufficient to use one extreme example as a reason to say Saudi Arabia is a hot spot. Using the same kind of logic, it could be argued we are a hot spot for terrorism due to the OKC bombing.

We are -- We have nests of domestic terrorists festering right under our noses, but our administration doesn't consider them to be a priority.
 
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