I want to see timeline charts.....

[mkgal1]

3000 Jews became Christians that day. Now just another 14 million to go.

The biblical context was time relevant. This all had to do with the time period that Jesus lived in. He was born under the Old Covenant. He fulfilled the Law....and ushered in a New Covenant. Jesus has taken the Kingdom of God away from the apostate religious leaders as He explained He would in His parable:

The Parable of the Wicked Tenants
(Mark 12:1-12; Luke 20:9-18)

3Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it, and built a tower. Then he rented it out to some tenants and went away on a journey.34When the harvest time drew near, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his share of the fruit. 35But the tenants seized his servants. They beat one, killed another, and stoned a third.36Again, he sent other servants, more than the first group. But the tenants did the same to them.37Finally, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.38But when the tenants saw the son, they said to one another, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39So they seized him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.40Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard returns, what will he do to those tenants?”41“He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and will rent out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him his share of the fruit at harvest time.”42Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

‘The stone the builders rejected

has become the cornerstone.

This is from the Lord,

and it is marvelous in our eyes’k?

43Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.l”45When the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they knew that Jesus was speaking about them. 46Although they wanted to arrest Him, they were afraid of the crowds, because the people regarded Him as a prophet.
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[Douggg]

The biblical context was time relevant.

You do not live in the first century, but you believe in Jesus.

The current generation of Israel, the Jews, will be the nation that produces fruit when the become Christians in the middle of the 7 years.

 

[nolidad]

After the stoning of Stephen (Acts 7) the followers of Jesus left Jerusalem because of the great persecution that followed..... except for the apostles (Acts 8:1).

Isn't that Strange!

Gal. 1: 18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

This is 3 years after the stoning of Stephen.

Galatians 2 King James Version (KJV)
2 Then fourteen years after I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and took Titus with me also.

2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.

3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:

4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:

7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles

9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

This is 17 years after the stoning of Stephen.

They went to Samaria and Judea- all parts of Israel!. Though Samaria was considered mongrel. they did not go to the gentile lands. And the Apostles stayed in Jerusalem as I just showed!

 

[nolidad]

The sacrifices are done with. Both technically (the temple was destroyed by Titus) and theologically (explained in the book to Hebrews).

Both since the first century. We can debate if it was personally Titus or whether it was in 66 AD, 70 AD or other details, but generally the truth still stands. It was all completed in the first century.

Yes the sacrificial system ended in the temple in the first century. But given thess. Matt. and revelation and Daniel, Titus is not even close to being the abomination of desolation, thus requiring a new temple and the sarificial system to be reinstituted. This does not mean God apporves of it, He is just simply saying it will happen again! Its efficacy was never to remove sin, but only to cover sin until Jesus shed His blood and then after HIs resurrection went and poured out His blood on the Mercy Seat in Heaven.

 

[nolidad]

I had asked about a precedent set in Scripture for a gap in time. I don't have a gap - where time stops and is picked up later - the 70 weeks of Daniel is laid out in contiguous sets (the 7 weeks + 3 score & 2 weeks and the final week) but the time continues.

So unless god sets a prior precedent- According to you He is not allowed to do something like propose a gap? Excuse me if I am not there when you tell HIm what He can and cannot do!

 

[solid_core]

Titus is not even close to being the abomination of desolation,

I have no idea why you think that Titus did not destroy the temple.

 

[nolidad]

Jesus didn't *make* a covenant - He confirmed the Davidic covenant (I believe is the specific covenant referred to).

Daniel 9:27 ~ And He will confirm a covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.
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The text states "people of the prince" not the other way around (and that changes the grammar).

Well I can forgive you for your ability to look upi Hebrew is extremely wanting. But Jesus made no covenant no did He confirm a covenant with Israel Until Calvary when He established the New Covenant! If Israel had accepted Jesus as messiah then He would have fulfilled the Davidic covenant and taken the throne of Israel after His resurrection. But they didn't so that is irrelevant and the Davidic Covenant is awaiting its literal fulfillment.

 

[nolidad]

Straight out of Anderson and Schofields's playbook, but the 360-day year is a figment of their imagination. So, if you want to be a REAL non-dispensationalist, you need to follow real dates. Here they are on post #112 I want to see timeline charts.....

You rlack of knowledge is astounding. The Jews hold to a 360 day lunar calendar and when Daniel gave that prophecy it was based on a 360 lunar calendar! Israel counts a 360 day year. It has the 365 for business and conformity wioth the world, but it still for religious purposes holds a 360 day calendar!

 

[nolidad]

For I tell you that Christ became a servant to the circumcised to show God's truthfulness, in order to confirm the promises given to the patriarchs, and in order that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy. As it is written, “Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles, and sing to your name.” (Romans 15:8-9)

Sorry but wrong! Nice try though! A covenant in Greek is:

διαθήκη
Transliteration
diathēkē (Key)

While the promises in Greek are:

ἐπαγγελία
Transliteration
epangelia (Key)


Jesus fulfilled teh promises- but not the Covenants.

 

[nolidad]

Jesus is who caused the cessation of the Yom Kippur sacrifices when the curtain was torn. He was the final Atonement sacrifice. That did occur in the middle of the final week of years..... the period of 27 AD to 34 AD. in 30 AD (I believe).

Wrong again! Jesus died in april and the Curtain was repaired and Yom Kippur sacrifices made in late September of that year until 69 AD. But the Yom Kippur sacrifice is not the ceasing of SACRIFICES and OBLATIONS! That happened by 70 AD.

Why not just accept teh Bible as written instead of relying on these mystical re-interpretations of allegorism and amillenialism?

 

[nolidad]

I have no idea why you think that Titus did not destroy the temple.

Because He ordered it not destroyed! It was the soldiers, who greedy for the gold who torched and broke down the temple! TITUS was a smart enough General to realize that destroying the temple would cause the whole nation to revolt potentially! It did keep up trouble for Rome until the 132-135 Jesus bar Kochba rebellion when Rome simply plowed Jerusalem to the ground, scattered most of the still residing Jews and renamed the land Syria Palestinia

 

[solid_core]

Because He ordered it not destroyed! It was the soldiers, who greedy for the gold who torched and broke down the temple! TITUS was a smart enough General to realize that destroying the temple would cause the whole nation to revolt potentially! It did keep up trouble for Rome until the 132-135 Jesus bar Kochba rebellion when Rome simply plowed Jerusalem to the ground, scattered most of the still residing Jews and renamed the land Syria Palestinia

Why are you trying to stand on such details?

When, in the history of Israel, was the temple destroyed for 2 millenia and Jews without a kingdom for 2 millenia? When, in the history of Israel, was Israel without any prophets for 2 millenia?

Its so obvious that this situation is so exceptional that its really not realistic to try to put it down and wait for something else in the future.

 

[BABerean2]

You rlack of knowledge is astounding. The Jews hold to a 360 day lunar calendar and when Daniel gave that prophecy it was based on a 360 lunar calendar! Israel counts a 360 day year. It has the 365 for business and conformity wioth the world, but it still for religious purposes holds a 360 day calendar!

When talking to the man who literally wrote the book on the ancient Hebrew calendar (The Atonement Clock), you may want to show a little more humility.

When Sir Robert Anderson wrote the book Dispensationalists often use to get your claims, Anderson admitted that the Hebrews made periodic corrections in their calendar, and then Anderson ignored this fact in most of his book "The Coming Prince".

An error of 5.25 days per year would reverse the seasons in less than 40 years. It is basic math.
They could not grow crops in the winter, and therefore made periodic corrections in the calendar.

You are ignoring these facts in your post above.

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[Christian Gedge]

You rlack of knowledge is astounding. The Jews hold to a 360 day lunar calendar and when Daniel gave that prophecy it was based on a 360 lunar calendar! Israel counts a 360 day year. It has the 365 for business and conformity wioth the world, but it still for religious purposes holds a 360 day calendar!

Tell that to a school class in Tel Aviv. Lunar calendars are 354 days and luni-solar calendars have an extra month added once every 3 years. There is no such thing as a 360-day calendar.

 

[nolidad]

2Thessalonians2:3-4 is the transgression of desolation act. Whether the Antichrist sits on the ark or not - is not clear, because that would presume the ark will have been found and placed in the forthcoming temple. Or it might mean the Antichrist will sit on a bench where the ark would go, assuming it has not be found.

Either way, his act is not the abomination of desolation thing, something setup.

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I have been thinking carefully over Matthew 24:15.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

That does not necessarily mean inside the temple sanctuary building, but could be anywhere on the temple mount, on the temple grounds.

So the statue image of the beast, the abomination of desolation, could be placed on the temple grounds out in the open - where people will gather, and/or forced to gather, to worship it. Them who refuse to bow down will be killed. In similitude to the Nebuchadnezzar statue event.

Being out in the open would also explain how Satan, who will be incarnating the image after being cast down to earth, will be exposed to everyone at Jesus's return, Jesus standing on the mount of Olives, directly across from the temple mount. And the outer facade of the image is turned to ashes - exposing Satan to everyone in plain view there on the temple mount.

Fulfilling the Ezekiel 28:

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

Well Ezekiel is speaking directly of Satan.

And the AoD may be a statue, or it may be the antichrist himself entering into teh holy of holies.

It cannot simply be the temple grounds, that is not the holy place!

The ho;ly place on teh temple grouunds was the two romms inside the temple. The holy place was where the candlestick and table of showbread were placed, and the inner holy place is the holy of holies where the high priest entered but once a year!

Also they do not need teh original ark. NOwhere does it say it will be the original, just like all other vessels and furnishings are new, the ark will be new as well (unless they do find th eoriginal).

Also no where does it say that Satan incarnates the image that comes alive. It just says it comes alive. Just another counterfeit sign and miracle the false prophet performs to decieve the nations.

 

[nolidad]

When talking to the man who literally wrote the book on the ancient Hebrew calendar (The Atonement Clock), you may want to show a little more humility.

When Sir Robert Anderson wrote the book Dispensationalists often use to get your claims, Anderson admitted that the Hebrews made periodic corrections in their calendar, and then Anderson ignored this fact in most of his book "The Coming Prince".

An error of 5.25 days per year would reverse the seasons in less than 40 years. It is basic math.
They could not grow crops in the winter, and therefore made periodic corrections in the calendar.

You are ignoring these facts in your post above.

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History betrays you!

It wasn't until Maimonedes of the 12th century that Israel modified its calendar to add days to match the solar calendar!

So anderson kept accuracy by Jewish reckoning of their lunar calendar! The adoption of the solar calendar did not take place widely until the Julian Calendar. While Israel used it to trade with the Roman Empire, they kept their lunar calendar for themselves.

Even now, Israel dates the year based on the lunar calendar!

 

[mkgal1]

The Parable of the Wicked Tenants
(Mark 12:1-12; Luke 20:9-18)

.40Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard returns, what will he do to those tenants?”41“He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and will rent out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him his share of the fruit at harvest time.”42Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

‘The stone the builders rejected

has become the cornerstone.

This is from the Lord,

and it is marvelous in our eyes’k?

43Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.l”45When the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they knew that Jesus was speaking about them. 46Although they wanted to arrest Him, they were afraid of the crowds, because the people regarded Him as a prophet.

The current generation of Israel, the Jews, will be the nation that produces fruit when the become Christians in the middle of the 7 years.

The chief priests and Pharisees knew Jesus was speaking about them in the first century. Did they have or represent the Kingdom of God in 71 AD or today? Pharisees and their religious system ended in 70 AD. They understood what Jesus was saying.

 

[mkgal1]

Jesus fulfilled teh promises- but not the Covenants.

Are you denying that Jesus fulfilled this covenant spoken of in Ezekiel?

Ezekiel 37:26-27 - And I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary among them forever. 27My dwelling placed will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be My people.

John 1:14 - The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth​

 

[Douggg]

The chief priests and Pharisees knew Jesus was speaking about them in the first century. Did they have or represent the Kingdom of God in 71 AD or today? Pharisees and their religious system ended in 70 AD. They understood what Jesus was saying.

The Kingdom of Heaven to be brought here to earth to become the Kingdom of God on earth, did not happen in that generation of Israel. Because the religious leaders conspired to have Jesus killed and turned the people against Jesus.

Anyone since the cross and resurrection can inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, by believing on Jesus; and their soul goes to heaven when or if should they die (as some living Christians will be caught up in the Rapture.).

When Jesus returns, he brings the Kingdom of Heaven with him to become the Kingdom of God here on earth, ruling over the nations.

The Jews, this generation, albeit opposed to Jesus now for the most part, will become Christians during the 7 years, and will inherit the Kingdom of God.

 

[mkgal1]

Well I can forgive you for your ability to look upi Hebrew is extremely wanting. But Jesus made no covenant no did He confirm a covenant with Israel Until Calvary when He established the New Covenant! If Israel had accepted Jesus as messiah then He would have fulfilled the Davidic covenant and taken the throne of Israel after His resurrection. But they didn't so that is irrelevant and the Davidic Covenant is awaiting its literal fulfillment.

Where was David's throne after he had died? The eternal kingship/priesthood is not on earth, but in heaven.