I think im done with god.

[Coleton Bryce Ritmanich]

You want me to read all your posts then come,back and answer you? If so ill do that now.

Yes! Definitely, but It's not just me, but God also, HE wants you to know, HE needs you to know. So please, consider it.

 

[ToBeLoved]

My friend snapping did it for me. Its like God never wants to see me happy, I've been lonely all my life...I'm just like if you can't find it in your heart to give me a friend to keep me company ...could you yourself at least talk to me.

I've asked for years to hear God speak to me or feel his presence...something! And I got nothing...

Nothing. I asked , I tried..and still nothing.

I try to do the right thing, with my aunt at her church...but I just got treated badly for it... Even when we moved out of the hotels my mom got in a freaking car accident...

And my only friend who I loved so much descended into madness, 3 years...gone just like that. ( Why let my friend descend into madness? Why couldn't he be blessed with a sound mind like alot of people? Why? I tried to make friends with a girl at work and she hasn't t3xted back,...so its like I can't have anything )

Why does God just pick on some people?

Why is God so jealous he can't stand to see me genuinely happy..with or without him... I tried to get close but he does nothing...so its like I can't have anything... Not HIM, not friends, not a job...nothing...

What's the point? And I hear about my other f4lends and how well they're doing ..one is going to make 1000 a week.. And she's younger than me... ..

And I'm just like am I just here as Gods special punching bag? When he gets mad...its time to mess with me?

I'm over it....

I don't think I can love a god like this.
I'm so close to telling God go f**** yourself.,.

Bc I never did anything to Him except try to be close and I won't try anymore...I'm not ...I'm done.

I mean what's the point so I can reach out and God can be silent some more? I think I've learned my lesson.

How you 'feel' at any point in time, does in no way define who God is.

Faith is much more than giving up or having doubts when times get hard.

Stop thinking and start praying. Don't expect anything from God but His love. There is a such thing as 'thinking' too much. Close your eyes and do some deep breathing. You need to help yourself come down from these bad habits you have.

 

[turkle]

God speaks to people who fully surrender their will to His.

What this means is that if you really want to hear Him, you have to be willing to hear Him. You have to be ready for Him to direct you in ways you might not expect. You have to accept that His will is higher, better and wiser than your own.

What this does not mean is that you tell God to give you what you want. You can ask, certainly, and you should. But when you do, it must be in submission to His will. Jesus Himself said, "Not my will, but yours" when He asked that the cup of suffering be removed from Him. Jesus submitted to God, even though they are one, as an example of how we are to respond in our darkest moments.

It's no wonder that you have come to this forum numerous times saying that you are giving up on God. Then you come back. Then you leave again. The reason is because He is not responding in the way that will satisfy you. And the reason you are not satisfied is because you are holding on to specific requirements that you put on God. When He doesn't respond to that, your response is to say that God is laughing at you, doesn't like you and is enjoying your misery. If you have read even the smallest bits of the Bible, you know what a lie that is. So when you say it, you are pouting because you are not getting your way.

Your choice is to move in faith and submission, or continue to insist upon your way. And, if you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten. Then you start the cycle again of proclaiming that you'll walk away from God, and then return again in the same hope that you'll get your way. Which makes more sense to you?

God allows us to go through dry, difficult phases of life not because He delights in our suffering, but in order to teach us faith and to grow in the maturity of that faith. As we yield our will to His, He gives us our next step. If we don't, we get stuck exactly in the same place, as you are.

Finally, the responsibility to choose faith and submission is ours alone. God does not insist. That's why we have free will. When we choose to turn our backs on Him, the results are always dire. But when we submit our will to Him and approach Him humbly, acknowledging that we can do nothing of value on our own, and ask Him for direction and guidance, then He does. If you've said you've tried this and it "didn't work", then you didn't really do it, because it's not a one time thing to magically produce the result you want. Instead, it is repentance -- changing our ways to accept His -- which is ongoing, and becomes a lifestyle. Once you walk closely with the Lord, relying on Him for every choice you make and every thing you do, you will begin to have ears to hear His direction.

I have done it both ways. I learned that my sin separated me from God, and it was a terrible place to be, much as what you are experiencing now. If you want your life to improve, you have to take responsibility for your choice. Jesus said "Come to me, you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest". But you must come to Him on His terms, not yours. That is submission. When you can truly say "Your will be done", then you will come to understanding. Sometimes we have to be miserable enough to come to the end of ourselves to finally throw up our hands and give up doing it our own way (doing it our own was is, by definition, sin) and come to Him, willing to receive what ever it is that He has for us. I found that when I did that, my entire life changed in ways I could not imagine. God has blessed me beyond my expectations a hundred fold, but it was only when I laid my will down at the foot of the cross that the changes started. He will do this for you too if you will only lay down the requirements you give Him as a condition of following Him. Because He never responds to that.

It's up to you. You can make choices to get out of this cycle of misery, or you can submit to God. Those of us who have chosen God over ourselves have lived it, experienced it, and love God deeply for the amazing grace He gives to His children. I hope you'll join us.

 

[CrystalDragon]

God speaks to people who fully surrender their will to His.

What this means is that if you really want to hear Him, you have to be willing to hear Him. You have to be ready for Him to direct you in ways you might not expect. You have to accept that His will is higher, better and wiser than your own.

What this does not mean is that you tell God to give you what you want. You can ask, certainly, and you should. But when you do, it must be in submission to His will. Jesus Himself said, "Not my will, but yours" when He asked that the cup of suffering be removed from Him. Jesus submitted to God, even though they are one, as an example of how we are to respond in our darkest moments.

It's no wonder that you have come to this forum numerous times saying that you are giving up on God. Then you come back. Then you leave again. The reason is because He is not responding in the way that will satisfy you. And the reason you are not satisfied is because you are holding on to specific requirements that you put on God. When He doesn't respond to that, your response is to say that God is laughing at you, doesn't like you and is enjoying your misery. If you have read even the smallest bits of the Bible, you know what a lie that is. So when you say it, you are pouting because you are not getting your way.

Your choice is to move in faith and submission, or continue to insist upon your way. And, if you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten. Then you start the cycle again of proclaiming that you'll walk away from God, and then return again in the same hope that you'll get your way. Which makes more sense to you?

God allows us to go through dry, difficult phases of life not because He delights in our suffering, but in order to teach us faith and to grow in the maturity of that faith. As we yield our will to His, He gives us our next step. If we don't, we get stuck exactly in the same place, as you are.

Finally, the responsibility to choose faith and submission is ours alone. God does not insist. That's why we have free will. When we choose to turn our backs on Him, the results are always dire. But when we submit our will to Him and approach Him humbly, acknowledging that we can do nothing of value on our own, and ask Him for direction and guidance, then He does. If you've said you've tried this and it "didn't work", then you didn't really do it, because it's not a one time thing to magically produce the result you want. Instead, it is repentance -- changing our ways to accept His -- which is ongoing, and becomes a lifestyle. Once you walk closely with the Lord, relying on Him for every choice you make and every thing you do, you will begin to have ears to hear His direction.

I have done it both ways. I learned that my sin separated me from God, and it was a terrible place to be, much as what you are experiencing now. If you want your life to improve, you have to take responsibility for your choice. Jesus said "Come to me, you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest". But you must come to Him on His terms, not yours. That is submission. When you can truly say "Your will be done", then you will come to understanding. Sometimes we have to be miserable enough to come to the end of ourselves to finally throw up our hands and give up doing it our own way (doing it our own was is, by definition, sin) and come to Him, willing to receive what ever it is that He has for us. I found that when I did that, my entire life changed in ways I could not imagine. God has blessed me beyond my expectations a hundred fold, but it was only when I laid my will down at the foot of the cross that the changes started. He will do this for you too if you will only lay down the requirements you give Him as a condition of following Him. Because He never responds to that.

It's up to you. You can make choices to get out of this cycle of misery, or you can submit to God. Those of us who have chosen God over ourselves have lived it, experienced it, and love God deeply for the amazing grace He gives to His children. I hope you'll join us.

I'm sure there have been many who've "fully surrendered their will to his", found nothing, and became atheist or agnostic.

 

[W2L]

Matthew 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Matthew 5:3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
For they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
For they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
For they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
For they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
For they shall be called sons of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

2 Corinthians 12:9 And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

 

[Nick714]

Jesus died for you of course he loves you and we do too. harboring unforgiveness will hurt you even more so please forgive everyone who hurt you. the world will rarly be perfect and we cant expect things to always go the way we want them. and just as Jesus forgave us we need to forgive others because we need to walk in love. if we make it about us than of course we are going to get hurt. even our relationships will suffer because of that. Jesus is the best teacher we can have, have faith in him.

i pray that the holy spirit will give you knowledge and understanding with wisdom that will deepen your faith. in Jesus precious name.

 

[Nick714]

I'm sure there have been many who've "fully surrendered their will to his", found nothing, and became atheist or agnostic.

if you walk in love you will surly find something

 

[CrystalDragon]

if you walk in love you will surly find something

I'm pretty sure many former Christians have.

 

[Nick714]

I'm pretty sure many former Christians have.

are you saved?

 

[turkle]

I'm sure there have been many who've "fully surrendered their will to his", found nothing, and became atheist or agnostic.

That can only happen by the willful withdrawing of submission to God, and the turning of the back to the Holy Spirit.

 

[Nick714]

are you saved?

jesus loves you too. we cant always understand him. but living by love will help us get to know him

 

[turkle]

That part right there that I bolded is precisely one of the reasons why I've begun to doubt Christianity more (another major point being the Bible itself). Such thinking is nothing but detrimental and harmful at best and insensitive and hateful at worst.

It appears that because you are a now doubter, you are now encouraging others to doubt as well. May I suggest that it might be better to refrain from posting unbiblical advice on a Christian Advice forum, where people are seeking biblical advice.

 

[Coleton Bryce Ritmanich]

I'm sure there have been many who've "fully surrendered their will to his", found nothing, and became atheist or agnostic.

"And he said, 'Why should I believe in God! A God that could let this happen, doesn't deserve praise, if he even exists.' And the other responded to him and said, 'When you have lost everything, and feel nothingness in your life, who is the first person you will call to?' And he replied and said, 'I don't need God, and I never will.' And finally the other spoke out and said, 'God is a person too. He loves you, he gave you free will, and promised never to take it from you, but isn't that the point! HE was the one who gave you free will. He was the one who loved you too much to force you to love him. Isn't only fair that we love him in return? If you had a perfect life, wouldn't that be boring? If you had no Pain, no Sorrow, No Heartache, and no Hardships, would you even consider talking to God? God loves us, and God loves you too.

Think about it this way, If you're not a Christian, and You don't respect and Fear God. God, The Almighty God who created All things Righteous and Good, Has all power to destroy it in an instant.

If you are a Christian, then That same Almighty, Powerful God, is your BEST friend. How's that for Backup?

Seriously though, He loves us, and he loves you too.'"

This is based on the Texts that I texted last night to one of my former friends, one of the ones that I cut off from me. He said something else though, it wasn't very nice so I couldn't post it here, it would break the site rules.

He didn't text back yet, though.

When God tells you to Give up your worldly treasures, and in doing so lose everything that you had in common with the only two friends you've ever had, and you have to cut them off from you. How do you think that feels?

He's trying to be my friend, but I can't be his friend, unless he truly commits to God, there's a reason why God tells you not to Fellowship with Non Christians if you are a Christian.

As long as I had him as a friend, I kept going back to my old ways. He's trying his hardest! But it doesn't count for anything if he Goes back to his old ways.

The things we had in common were shattered. And with them shattered, it was only a matter of time before we drifted apart. I had to cut Both of my only friends in this world off from my life entirely.

But in return I got something more precious, someone who REALLY cared! Someone who never forsook me. Someone who loved me for me, and not for what I could do for him, Someone who Literally DIED for me, even though I didn't deserve it. I found Something GREAT, Someone who was always reliable, someone who I could ALWAYS trust, someone who never broke any of his promises.

In return for Giving up the world, and everything I had ever known and loved, and loosing both my friends to satan, In return, I received the only thing that ever really matters. I received Jesus.

He loves me for who I am, and not for what I can do for him. He Loves us, and He loves you too.

 

[CrystalDragon]

are you saved?

I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic elementary and high school, know more about the Bible than probably most of my family members, and was an altar server when I was a kid.

Why is it that as soon as someone earnestly doubts (whether due to inconsistencies they find in the Bible regarding doctrine, or God's character, or suffering, experiences of others, similarities with other cultures, etc.) they're suspected of being "not saved"?

 

[Coleton Bryce Ritmanich]

Far Side. Have you finished reading the Posts God gave you through me? I don't want to rush you, I just want to make sure you're okay, and that you know I really meant it.

 

[turkle]

I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic elementary and high school, know more about the Bible than probably most of my family members, and was an altar server when I was a kid.

Then you must know this verse very well:

Eph 2:8-9: For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so no one can boast.

What you have described are works - it's what you've done. Perhaps the reason you are a doubter is because you have never met Jesus personally, through grace, by faith. God calls you to faith, and I hope you answer the call.

 

[Coleton Bryce Ritmanich]

I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic elementary and high school, know more about the Bible than probably most of my family members, and was an altar server when I was a kid.

Why is it that as soon as someone earnestly doubts (whether due to inconsistencies they find in the Bible regarding doctrine, or God's character, or suffering, experiences of others, similarities with other cultures, etc.) they're suspected of being "not saved"?

Because when you Doubt all of your prayers go unanswered. It's not just the ten commandments, everything God says to do is a command. "Trust in the Lord." is a command. If you doubt, you are definitely not trusting in God, If you were, you wouldn't Doubt. Disobedience is a Sin, and Sin separates us from God. Thus making all your prayers Go Unanswered.

 

[CrystalDragon]

Then you must know this verse very well:

Eph 2:8-9: For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so no one can boast.

What you have described are works - it's what you've done. Perhaps the reason you are a doubter is because you have never met Jesus personally, through grace, by faith. God calls you to faith, and I hope you answer the call.

Actually, according to my family, I had a vision of Jesus when I was around 3 years old. Unfirtunately I myself remember absolutely none of it. When people talk of "meeting someone personally" they mean face-to-face (or at least direct vocal) communication, where they can explicitly talk to one another without vagueness and not wondering if what you really heard was the other person or just their own thoughts. "Meeting Jesus personally" how most people use it never seems to require any of that, and the one personal experience I apparently did have is one I have no memory of.

Because when you Doubt all of your prayers go unanswered. It's not just the ten commandments, everything God says to do is a command. "Trust in the Lord." is a command. If you doubt, you are definitely not trusting in God, If you were, you wouldn't Doubt. Disobedience is a Sin, and Sin separates us from God. Thus making all your prayers Go Unanswered.

I'm pretty sure there's people who have prayed, and only doubted after their prayers went completely unanswered.

 

[Coleton Bryce Ritmanich]

Actually, according to my family, I had a vision of Jesus when I was around 3 years old. Unfirtunately I myself remember absolutely none of it. When people talk of "meeting someone personally" they mean face-to-face (or at least direct vocal) communication, where they can explicitly talk to one another without vagueness and not wondering if what you really heard was the other person or just their own thoughts. "Meeting Jesus personally" how most people use it never seems to require any of that, and the one personal experience I apparently did have is one I have no memory of.



I'm pretty sure there's people who have prayed, and only doubted after their prayers went completely unanswered.

The simple fact that they didn't Trust in the Lord all the way to the end, and stand on that faith and belief until God answers them is in the very sense the Doubt itself.

Most people don't understand this, or even want to understand it, but God answers all righteous prayers in his time, not when we want him to, but when he chooses to. God's thoughts are Higher than our thoughts, and his ways are higher than our ways. God always answers prayers of those who love him.

God answers prayers in HIS time, and in HIS own way, and most people don't get this, but he answers prayers in a way that gives the most Glory to him, and the most Reward for us.

If we stand on our faith to the very end, it proves that we do love God.

If we start really trusting in God, he will start really listening to us. If we start being absolutely serious with God, He will Start really being serious with us.

Most people don't truly understand that, behind all of his Almighty Power, he is a person too. He has feelings too.

When people say mean things about him like, "God doesn't exist," or "He doesn't love me enough or care enough to answer my prayers, and help me through this." It hurts him, it really does. He is a person too.

If someone was mean to you, wouldn't some part of your feelings be hurt? Of Course.

We are made in his image, and that means he has feelings too.

If you read any of my earlier post you would see the one with the link to the Document, a record of a part of my past.

It's funny really, huh? I was three when that happened to me.

It really is good to know that there is someone else that only knows that they were in Heaven, but for the life of him can't remember anything about it for the life of him.

But what's really funny is, I don't have to remember! I love God for who he is, not for only what he has done, or what he will do, but for who he is.

 

[Edo2]

I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic elementary and high school, know more about the Bible than probably most of my family members, and was an altar server when I was a kid.

Why is it that as soon as someone earnestly doubts (whether due to inconsistencies they find in the Bible regarding doctrine, or God's character, or suffering, experiences of others, similarities with other cultures, etc.) they're suspected of being "not saved"?

No one is immune from having doubts. You see the state of the world today and you can see why but in that same context you can also god as well. I wish I knew why he chooses to answer some prayers and not others or why he lets some things happen.

You can use your doubts to fuel a spiritual growth, to dig deeper into who god is and look into the things that are causing doubt and maybe get answer. It also might take you into a different direction.

Doubts can happen, its the response to them that determine the outcome.