I need help

[faroukfarouk]

No, I'm afraid I'm actually making vows now because my OCD wants me to take risks and it says stuff like, If you get this next problem right then you don't have to make a vow. But if you don't get this problem right then you will make that vow. So I do have some pride in my intelligence so I think OCD is taking advantage of that and the feeling that I want to is SUPER strong and so I have given in a few times and that makes me sad. Also, OCD doesn't even sometimes say the if then statements it's just a thought with no words and it's so constant especially when you have anxiety and stuff. Then it gets more real and worse. Also, I felt so depressed last night and the OCD made me feel happier but that might just be anxiety too and it also felt fake. Like I don't want to feel happy with OCD and I know that I'm really not. And also, I felt and feel so confused sometimes again lol cause it's making me feel like I want to do all these things and vow. And I also feel like when an idea pops into my head I AUTOMATICALLY sometimes agree with it like my heart or OCD or mind agrees and I feel it but I don't want to also do that's confusing. It's like and extremely strong temptation that makes you fail after awhile. It's only a matter of time before I fail again. And when I feel that I want to vow or be something or do something really strongly I fear that I am going to it and then I get super anxiety ridden. But I'm definitely doing better at ignoring I think. Still failing a lot haha it's a work in progress. I usually "give in" when I think that I got a problem right completely or something and my brain is like hey it's not a risk anymore give in. And it's such a strong temptation I don't give in really often but it's happening at least one time a day now which is badddd. So I think and kinda know that I've made a vow. But Idk if they count completely either.

Hi; whatever other medical advice that might be helpful, it's really good for those who love and trust the Lord Jesus to keep looking to Him (Hebrews 12.2); and it's wonderful to be able prayerfully to feed on His comforting and strengthening Word in passages such as John 14.1-27 and Psalm 46.

 

[christianforumsuser]

Then don't take risks but also not shy away from what might surely have a loss but gain after...than clutching to what gains you have but to end in greater loss
A man only has so much strength and support and might think he himself is strong and strength

Being around the wrong environment and people can affect your health more than you might be able to imagine
Likewise accepting the right thing can be more beneficial than you could think

 

[~Ivy~]

Then don't take risks but also not shy away from what might surely have a loss but gain after...than clutching to what gains you have but to end in greater loss
A man only has so much strength and support and might think he himself is strong and strength

Being around the wrong environment and people can affect your health more than you might be able to imagine
Likewise accepting the right thing can be more beneficial than you could think

I'm not around really bad people. Most of my friends (I think) are Christians and upstanding also thank you @faroukfarouk for the verses

 

[christianforumsuser]

Hm

 

[~Ivy~]

I'm not around really bad people. Most of my friends (I think) are Christians and upstanding also thank you @faroukfarouk for the verses

like I think I have two friends that curse but not around their friends and not in public and not around me (except one cursed in text and I was like uh no) but yeah that's it.

 

[christianforumsuser]

People aren't perfect. What's important is to be around people spiritually minded. Everyone's a bit of a carnal legalist when they're trying to gain/maintain something.
Because even if someone looks like a good influence on outside whether they act smart or dumb or good role model on outside, what's important isn't even acting godly per se (don't misunderstand what I mean), but SPIRITUALLY minded. But people will try to trick you to follow them by acting what they think will look spiritual to you.
Good luck

 

[~Ivy~]

People aren't perfect. What's important is to be around people spiritually minded. Everyone's a bit of a carnal legalist when they're trying to gain/maintain something.
Because even if someone looks like a good influence on outside whether they act smart or dumb or good role model on outside, what's important isn't even acting godly per se (don't misunderstand what I mean), but SPIRITUALLY minded. But people will try to trick you to follow them by acting what they think will look spiritual to you.
Good luck

True No one (I think) is acting godly, they are just normal human beings who are Christian we all talk about normal stuff haha What do you mean by spiritually minded?

 

[christianforumsuser]

It's very important to get problem of sin handled for anyone who has sin in their heart. While the flesh in the world won't be perfect, there is a correct faith and an incorrect faith and it's not just enough to repent with the flesh but to be born again of water and Spirit. Most people will skip over parts of the Bible that don't sound appealing to followers, but it's very important to learn and believe not only the Law Moses told which is the knowledge of sin...to realize that man is a wicked sinner...Not able to follow the Law...
Man is not good. People will say and act like that's not true, but the Bible says it.
And so that's why Moses's brother Aaron and his descendants were PRIESTS to make sacrifices AFTER passing sin on the animal.
And John the Baptist was born 6 months prior to Jesus, actually a descendant of Aaron which was the lineage for priests. Christ means Anointed One...Being the anointed roles of High Priest, Prophet, King.
This information isn't just something useless or meaningless but talked about throughout the Bible and not to skip over any of it to be carnally minded in the world.
Worldly people like what they have and try to make more followers to try to boast in the flesh as if obeying the law and say anything to get what they want.
But there are some people who want to be clean and prepare for Heaven, wanting peace.

 

[~Ivy~]

It's very important to get problem of sin handled for anyone who has sin in their heart. While the flesh in the world won't be perfect, there is a correct faith and an incorrect faith and it's not just enough to repent with the flesh but to be born again of water and Spirit. Most people will skip over parts of the Bible that don't sound appealing to followers, but it's very important to learn and believe not only the Law Moses told which is the knowledge of sin...to realize that man is a wicked sinner...Not able to follow the Law...
Man is not good. People will say and act like that's not true, but the Bible says it.
And so that's why Moses's brother Aaron and his descendants were PRIESTS to make sacrifices AFTER passing sin on the animal.
And John the Baptist was born 6 months prior to Jesus, actually a descendant of Aaron which was the lineage for priests. Christ means Anointed One...Being the anointed roles of High Priest, Prophet, King.
This information isn't just something useless or meaningless but talked about throughout the Bible and not to skip over any of it to be carnally minded in the world.
Worldly people like what they have and try to make more followers to try to boast in the flesh as if obeying the law and say anything to get what they want.
But there are some people who want to be clean and prepare for Heaven, wanting peace.

I think a lot of my friends know these things and so do I from one of my kind of Bible study classes. I have been born again but I'm struggling a lot.

 

[christianforumsuser]

It's good to actually be sure and have precise understanding and belief. It's very important and even though these details might seem unimportant or similar, the difference is very very very big. This is as big of difference as right and wrong, life and death, God and Satan.
And not only for you or a few people. Millions, billions and more don't see it.

 

[Mari17]

No, I'm afraid I'm actually making vows now because my OCD wants me to take risks and it says stuff like, If you get this next problem right then you don't have to make a vow. But if you don't get this problem right then you will make that vow. So I do have some pride in my intelligence so I think OCD is taking advantage of that and the feeling that I want to is SUPER strong and so I have given in a few times and that makes me sad. Also, OCD doesn't even sometimes say the if then statements it's just a thought with no words and it's so constant especially when you have anxiety and stuff. Then it gets more real and worse. Also, I felt so depressed last night and the OCD made me feel happier but that might just be anxiety too and it also felt fake. Like I don't want to feel happy with OCD and I know that I'm really not. And also, I felt and feel so confused sometimes again lol cause it's making me feel like I want to do all these things and vow. And I also feel like when an idea pops into my head I AUTOMATICALLY sometimes agree with it like my heart or OCD or mind agrees and I feel it but I don't want to also do that's confusing. It's like and extremely strong temptation that makes you fail after awhile. It's only a matter of time before I fail again. And when I feel that I want to vow or be something or do something really strongly I fear that I am going to it and then I get super anxiety ridden. But I'm definitely doing better at ignoring I think. Still failing a lot haha it's a work in progress. I usually "give in" when I think that I got a problem right completely or something and my brain is like hey it's not a risk anymore give in. And it's such a strong temptation I don't give in really often but it's happening at least one time a day now which is badddd. So I think and kinda know that I've made a vow. But Idk if they count completely either.

OCD likes to make us feel more confused than we actually are. I would recommend that you tell your brain what it's most afraid of hearing. If you feel like you made a vow, say, "Yeah, maybe I did." Let yourself get anxious about it. It's only by letting yourself get anxious that you'll learn not to be afraid of the anxiety - if that makes sense. I've had to do this with my latest obsession. I write a little story (ERP script) detailing what it would be like if my worst fear came true (for example, with an obsession like yours, I'd write "I made a vow that I didn't want to make! I feel awful!! Now for the rest of my life, I can't XYZ..."). I read it over and over, letting myself fully feel the anxiety. I keep doing it until I feel my anxiety levels start to drop. Or, you can expose yourself to other things that trigger your fear. In your case, something like the nun video. You could watch it over and over until it doesn't scare you anymore. That's basically what ERP therapy is all about. Letting yourself be afraid, and doing nothing (that means no compulsions) to stop the fear. Of course it's really painful at first, but what happens is that you gradually start becoming less afraid. So, continue to let your thoughts come in, without trying to cancel them. Say "OK, yeah, that might be true" (it's not true, of course, but your OCD is telling you that it is, so you're pretending and playing along with its game). Let yourself feel horrible. And if you're brave enough, start exposures, purposely exposing yourself to things that make you afraid. It's the same idea as if you had a phobia of spiders. You'd slowly expose yourself to pictures of spiders, then actual spiders, etc., until your brain wasn't freaking out anymore. As your brain becomes less afraid, you will also become less confused and more able to discern your true thoughts, feelings, and desires. Keep asking questions if you need to. You've got this!

 

[discipler7]

I've suffered from OCD for more than 8 months now and it's gotten so bad. I worried and worried that I was a homosexual and worse things

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OCD can also be unresolved worries, stress, fears and doubts.

To minimize worries and stress, we should fear God and keep His Law = will receive His blessings/rewards, instead of curses/punishments - DEUT.28, ACTS.15:24-29, PROV.1, 1COR.11:30, 1JOHN.5:16-19.

 

[Mari17]

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OCD can also be unresolved worries, stress, fears and doubts.

To minimize worries and stress, we should fear God and keep His Law = will receive His blessings/rewards, instead of curses/punishments - DEUT.28, ACTS.15:24-29, PROV.1, 1COR.11:30, 1JOHN.5:16-19.

I have to respectfully disagree with this because in most cases OCD stems from biological factors. Not that other things can't play a part, but people with OCD are prewired to feel unnecessary anxiety, so their minds will latch onto topics to be afraid of, whether they make sense or not. OCD is usually NOT indicative of an underlying problem per se. Rather, the person with OCD has to learn to not attend to the exaggerated, misplaced anxiety signals that their brain is sending them.

 

[christianforumsuser]

But where do biological factors stem from
And do you know how to keep the law discipler7

Doctors and your current remedies haven't worked so well have they
But if I offered something better why would someone reject it

 

[discipler7]

I have to respectfully disagree with this because in most cases OCD stems from biological factors.

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Yes, true. Children of alcoholics are born with an over-active mind = OCD and/or ADHD = the withdrawal symptom of alcoholism. Alcohol and anti-anxiety pills can "treat" an over-active mind or OCD/ADHD.

Also, there are crack-babies and meth-babies.

 

[~Ivy~]

OCD likes to make us feel more confused than we actually are. I would recommend that you tell your brain what it's most afraid of hearing. If you feel like you made a vow, say, "Yeah, maybe I did." Let yourself get anxious about it. It's only by letting yourself get anxious that you'll learn not to be afraid of the anxiety - if that makes sense. I've had to do this with my latest obsession. I write a little story (ERP script) detailing what it would be like if my worst fear came true (for example, with an obsession like yours, I'd write "I made a vow that I didn't want to make! I feel awful!! Now for the rest of my life, I can't XYZ..."). I read it over and over, letting myself fully feel the anxiety. I keep doing it until I feel my anxiety levels start to drop. Or, you can expose yourself to other things that trigger your fear. In your case, something like the nun video. You could watch it over and over until it doesn't scare you anymore. That's basically what ERP therapy is all about. Letting yourself be afraid, and doing nothing (that means no compulsions) to stop the fear. Of course it's really painful at first, but what happens is that you gradually start becoming less afraid. So, continue to let your thoughts come in, without trying to cancel them. Say "OK, yeah, that might be true" (it's not true, of course, but your OCD is telling you that it is, so you're pretending and playing along with its game). Let yourself feel horrible. And if you're brave enough, start exposures, purposely exposing yourself to things that make you afraid. It's the same idea as if you had a phobia of spiders. You'd slowly expose yourself to pictures of spiders, then actual spiders, etc., until your brain wasn't freaking out anymore. As your brain becomes less afraid, you will also become less confused and more able to discern your true thoughts, feelings, and desires. Keep asking questions if you need to. You've got this!

Thank you!! I'm going to try this

 

[Mari17]

Thank you!! I'm going to try this

Good for you, and keep researching other information about OCD therapy! I've learned a lot about it but I'm not an expert by any means. If you ever feel like you need extra support, there's a group on Facebook that I'm a part of, for people with anxiety disorders. There are some great moderators on there, although the only downside is that there are many people in the group so you'll be reading about other people's problems as well, which may or may not be triggering. If you're interested in joining let me know and I'll give you the info! And keep learning about CBT/ERP and putting it into practice!!

 

[~Ivy~]

Hi so it had gotten a lot better. And I could fully function and it was great but now I fear that I'm going to say that everything I do signifies me giving my life to the devil or something and so I said to myself look everything you do does not signify that. But then I felt like I agreed with a thought that said if you do ___ then the thing you said to yourself does not matter and everything you do does mean that you are giving your life to the devil. Like I really don't want to do that. And all the anxiety has come back just like that and the fear. Like part of me feels like it doesn't want to fight and just give my life to that being cause I'm going to fail eventually l. BUT I REALLY DONT WANT TO. But if my life has already been given to Jesus then I think that it can't be given to anybody else. So maybe I don't have to worry? Cause I know I was and am a Christian so idk about the statement I made...

 

[~Ivy~]

So if I made that statement truly then does it mean that every action I do means that I am giving my life to the devil????

 

[gloriousday2006]

Hi so it had gotten a lot better. And I could fully function and it was great but now I fear that I'm going to say that everything I do signifies me giving my life to the devil or something and so I said to myself look everything you do does not signify that. But then I felt like I agreed with a thought that said if you do ___ then the thing you said to yourself does not matter and everything you do does mean that you are giving your life to the devil. Like I really don't want to do that. And all the anxiety has come back just like that and the fear. Like part of me feels like it doesn't want to fight and just give my life to that being cause I'm going to fail eventually l. BUT I REALLY DONT WANT TO. But if my life has already been given to Jesus then I think that it can't be given to anybody else. So maybe I don't have to worry? Cause I know I was and am a Christian so idk about the statement I made...

Ivy, I understand your struggles. Our minds will play tricks on us. I have to tell myself to let things go, or I can spend all day going over a horrible thought I didn't want in the first place. The Lord is GREATER, so much GREATER than all of our fears.

It reminds me of when I really hate something I see or read, and then it will pop in my mind. It is my worst fear and my mind throws it up. I have to tell myself that I never wanted that thought, Jesus knows my heart, and I have to leave it there. If I don't leave it there I can get into serious mind battles.

It all comes down to FAITH. God is greater than thoughts and fears we don't even want, He is greater than our feelings, and He has OVERCOME the world. We just need to place all of our trust in Him.

You can do this Ivy! With Christ you can do ANYTHING.