I don't believe in evolution... (2)

[Lion Hearted Man]

Looks like ped2000 bit the dust.

 

[TheReasoner]

Looks like ped2000 bit the dust.

Banned, I suppose.

 

[Zongerfield]

Before this thread gets further out of hand, let me just say that I have forgiveness in my heart and soul. I will be praying for everyone here.

Bless you all.

 

[TheReasoner]

Before this thread gets further out of hand, let me just say that I have forgiveness in my heart and soul. I will be praying for everyone here.

Bless you all.

And what about yourself? No apologies to anyone?

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Before this thread gets further out of hand, let me just say that I have forgiveness in my heart and soul. I will be praying for everyone here.

Bless you all.

Reminds me of that crazy Christian lady on WifeSwap: "You're all on my prayer list! Get out of my house, in the name of Jesus! OUT!"

 

[TheReasoner]

Reminds me of that crazy Christian lady on WifeSwap: "You're all on my prayer list! Get out of my house, in the name of Jesus! OUT!"

Well, you know there's Christian:

And then there's "Christian":

The latter is louder, but the former is actually infinitely closer to Christ










Not that I am comparing Zongerfield to neither mother theresa nor westboro 'baptist' 'church'.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Before this thread gets further out of hand, let me just say that I have forgiveness in my heart and soul. I will be praying for everyone here.

Bless you all.

Glad to know that you forgive me, Mr. Moral Authority. We're all in the wrong, and you are completely right, and I'm glad to know that your heart is big enough to cover all of our sins. It seems to me that we were all just having a chat and no one insulted you personally, but it's good to know that you are selfless enough to forgive people who have done nothing to you. But we are all super-duper sorry that we opposed the opinions of someone who wished for us to die, because hey, everyone's allowed an opinion and no opinions should ever be questioned if those opinions are held by someone who is nice to Mr. Moral Authority. Good day to you, and I forgive you.

 

[rjc34]

Well, you know there's Christian:
And then there's "Christian":

The latter is louder, but the former is actually infinitely closer to Christ

You should probably do some research into Mother Teresa... she's not really the saint she was made out to be. Actually, almost all of her public image was manufactured and not really an accurate portrayal of reality.

The Missionary Position - By Christopher Hitchens is a good place to start.

 

[rjc34]

Before this thread gets further out of hand, let me just say that I have forgiveness in my heart and soul. I will be praying for everyone here.

Bless you all.

So modest! Where do you get all of your humility!

But seriously, where's your apology? Why are you in the right and the rest of us in the wrong?

 

[Zongerfield]

This is not about right and wrong, this is about our covenant with the Lord our savior Jesus Christ. And for the record, Jesus Christ has never been wrong a day in his life. That is why we shall follow him into the kingdom of heaven. We are the ones who are wrong, we are the sinners, we are the cracked vessels, that is why I have forgiveness in my heart and soul, that is why I spent three hours praying last night. I don't want to upset the egos here, I just want people to repent, to come together in the name of the Lord, and to have a discussion that is polite and civil. We all have differences, we all see the world differently, we must understand and respect this fact. But we all have the option to accept Jesus into our hearts - and this is something we need to seriously consider.

Again, I forgive everyone, and I will continue to pray for you. Bless you all.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

This is not about right and wrong, this is about our covenant with the Lord our savior Jesus Christ. And for the record, Jesus Christ has never been wrong a day in his life. That is why we shall follow him into the kingdom of heaven. We are the ones who are wrong, we are the sinners, we are the cracked vessels, that is why I have forgiveness in my heart and soul, that is why I spent three hours praying last night. I don't want to upset the egos here, I just want people to repent, to come together in the name of the Lord, and to have a discussion that is polite and civil. We all have differences, we all see the world differently, we must understand and respect this fact. But we all have the option to accept Jesus into our hearts - and this is something we need to seriously consider.

Again, I forgive everyone, and I will continue to pray for you. Bless you all.

That's cool that you believe this, man. I support your right to believe whatever you want. But some of us, including me, don't share your positions. Is it possible for you to see why, to some of us, it would be extremely patronizing to tell us that you "forgive us"? Who are you to forgive us? I don't care about you praying for us, but "forgiving" us when we have not wronged you is a bit presumptuous.

 

[rjc34]

This is not about right and wrong, this is about our covenant with the Lord our savior Jesus Christ. And for the record, Jesus Christ has never been wrong a day in his life. That is why we shall follow him into the kingdom of heaven. We are the ones who are wrong, we are the sinners, we are the cracked vessels, that is why I have forgiveness in my heart and soul, that is why I spent three hours praying last night. I don't want to upset the egos here, I just want people to repent, to come together in the name of the Lord, and to have a discussion that is polite and civil. We all have differences, we all see the world differently, we must understand and respect this fact. But we all have the option to accept Jesus into our hearts - and this is something we need to seriously consider.

Again, I forgive everyone, and I will continue to pray for you. Bless you all.

It might be about your covenant with Jesus, but a lot of us here don't have one. I understand your view of original sin and how we're all broken and have to be saved through Jesus, and I'll defend to the death your right to express it, but it doesn't apply to me or many of the others here.

Sure, you can believe that if we don't repent we'll go burn in hell, and while I don't believe this, and think it's completely and utterly immoral, you're free to express it. And yes, we do all see the world differently, and nobody's view (including yours) should be taken as more valid as another.

How would you feel if I told you that you had the option of accepting Allah into your heart, and it was something you should seriously consider? Well you'd probably be a bit offended, right? That's how we feel when you come here and say those same things about Jesus to us.

And I'm still waiting on an apology from you. I've had enough of your vain forgiveness; perhaps it's time to turn that around and look at your own actions.

 

[Zongerfield]

I care about Heaven. I care about Jesus. I care about saving my fellow man. I hope everyone here can respect that. So if I urge you to pray, or appeal to the Lord, I do so because I care.

I think somewhere along the way, my ability to express this message got crossed with an air of patronization which I didn't anticipate nor did I intend, so for this I can only say that if you want to truly understand where I am coming from and what it is I am trying to express please read more scripture. There, you will find the answers you seek, the forgiveness you desire, the love you are lacking.

Bless you all. I will continue to pray for you.

 

[TerranceL]

I care about Heaven. I care about Jesus. I care about saving my fellow man. I hope everyone here can respect that. So if I urge you to pray, or appeal to the Lord, I do so because I care.

If you cared at all about saving your fellow man you'd be speaking out against a christian who calls for mass murder of people who disagree with her.

But you don't, because you are more interested in solidarity amongst the christian club than actually "saving" your fellow man.

 

[rjc34]

...the forgiveness you desire, the love you are lacking.

I desire no forgiveness (especially from you) and my love is not lacking.

I am insulted you'd imply ether.

 

[sdmsanjose]

Zongerfield
I think you could help your position if you would answer a question that I asked you several days ago. You did not answer so I am reprinting the posts and questions below

Quote by Zongerfield
We need to bear witness to truth

Did I not bear witness to the truth when I pointed out Clirus’s statement below that is contrary to the Bible?


Clirus, you state things that ARE NOT in the Bible. Listed below are two of your statements that are not supported by the Bible:

Quotes by Clirus
I believe the failure of a man to provide for his family should require execution of the man.

Enact Absolute Paternity legislation that would execute the father of a child that fails to make child care payments for an illegitimate child.


Zongerfield
Do you agree with Clirus's statements above?

Zongerfield
Just because you, Clirus, and I refer to ourselves as believers in Christ does not mean that we have to overlook when one of us misrepresents the Bible. IMO you need to take a stand on Clirus’s statements above to determine your position on Clirus’ beliefs and the teachings of the Bible.

 

[TerranceL]

Now that is a Straw Man exaggeration if I ever heard one.

So you are now stating that you have never called for the death of anybody?

Disobedient children and homosexuals and atheist included?

Wait you can't make that claim because we have your own quotes in this thread stating as such.

 

[Zongerfield]

Now that is a Straw Man exaggeration if I ever heard one.

Straw Man
Straw man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[1][2]

Is it a lie to exaggerate?

I agree with Clirus here. I think many of you have intentionally misrepresented her position to make her appear like a zealot.

This is why I asked everyone to reflect, and to pray for forgiveness.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I agree with Clirus here. I think many of you have intentionally misrepresented her position to make her appear like a zealot.

This is why I asked everyone to reflect, and to pray for forgiveness.

have you noticed that clirus, although she tends to deflect by crying "straw man!" hasn't actually denied saying any of the things attributed to her?

In fact -- clirus, these quotes have been attributed to you:

"I believe the failure of a man to provide for his family should require execution of the man."

"Enact Absolute Paternity legislation that would execute the father of a child that fails to make child care payments for an illegitimate child."

Now, clirus, this is a simple yes or no question: did you or did you not say these things?


Tell you what, Zongerfield -- let's wait until we get an answer, and then we'll figure out exactly who needs to forgive who.

 

[tulc]

I agree with Clirus here. I think many of you have intentionally misrepresented her position to make her appear like a zealot.

And I think it's nice you want to take her side, but I do think you might want to actually go and examine the things she's posted before you decide we're "misrepresenting" her.

This is why I asked everyone to reflect, and to pray for forgiveness.

Forgiveness for telling the truth? That would seem like something people should be encouraged to do.
tulc(back from the wilds of western Illinois)