Classical Atheism and Liberal Christianity versus Conservative Christianity
This thread has been a very explicit statement of the Atheism and Liberal Christianity versus Conservative Christianity.
I am proud when Atheists call be a bigot and criticize me for taking a strong stand on a literal interpretation of the Bible.
Atheists do not like the concept of "The wages of sin is death", because that means they should be executed for their evil deeds.
Atheists are usually socialists and pacifists, that oppose war and the death penalty, because they are the ones that should be executed. Opposition to the death penalty is a survival concept for evil people.
I do not believe Christians that allow evil people to advocate, condone and participate in sinful activity are in God's will.
When I say, the only thing necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing, I am stating that the good men that are doing nothing are people that call themselves Christians.
The Bible does state that disobedient children should be brought before the elders. I believe those that reject the concept of bringing disobedient children before the elders are rejecting God. In present day, legal system that would be to bring the disobedient child before a judge. I have never advocated disobedient children should be executed every time they are brought before a judge as the Atheists would state, but one must always keep open the option that some children are so disobedient that they should be executed.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear."
Christians need to read the Old Testament to understand how God intended a nation be governed in order for the nation to remain a Christian Nation. If Christians fail to govern, then I believe God will take the nation from the Christians.
Even the New Testament of the Bible, state that a man that does not provide for his family is worse than a infidel. Are Christians to condone people that are infidels or should Christians support Civil Law that deals with infidels, even to the point of execution?
PS - I do not agree with faith guardian position that Christians should be pacifists. I believe Christians have a responsibility of waging war on those that would advocate evil concepts. If Christians had not fought in WW II, Norway would probably be nothing more than an iron mine for the Nazis. I believe faith guardians concept of Christians is the Liberal Christian position.
I advocate the three levels of action relative to evil, and that means the death penalty and war should be kept open as an option.
I believe the Bible teaches all things should be dealt with by the following three levels of action;
1) If it is good - accept it and nourish it.
2) If it is evil - rebuke it but tolerate it.
3) If it threatens your existence - destroy it before it destroys you. This is self defense, which both the individual and society have a right and responsibility to do.
The first two are from the New Testament of the Bible and represent the Law of Love. The third is from the Old Testament of the Bible and represents the Law of Purity/Self Defense. The New Testament deals more with personal responsibility and the Old Testament deals more with the preservation of society. The Old Testament and the New Testament together present God's Law, a means of survival for a person, a nation and a world. No one should be forced to be a Christian, but all should be judged by Civil Law based on Christian Principles. All rebuke by Christians should be based on scripture from the Bible.
Tolerance is allowing for a mistake. Too much tolerance is a mistake. Tolerance is allowing for a mistake, too much tolerance is accepting an habitual mistake (Atheistic Lifestyle of sin).
PS The theme of the Bible is a God of both Love and Righteousness. Too many people that call themselves Christians will only discuss the Love of God. I consider those that will only discuss the concept of a God of Love to be Liberal Christians.
PS - It drives Atheists crazy when you show America was founded as a Christian Nation, even though America did lie to the Muslims in the Treaty of Tripoli.
Like I said:
Well, you know there's Christian:
And then there's "Christian":
If a conservative Christian is what you are, Clirus, then there is nothing of Christ in conservatism. Jesus advocated turning the other cheek, and showing mercy to those who were guilty of sins holding the death penalty. You would kill those and more.
Not only that but you lie about me and others. Claiming I'm a pacifist when you
know I am an army veteran with the rank of corporal. So not only do I say I am willing to pick up a gun for the defense of others from aggression, I have done so and will do so again if the need arises.
I do not think you know Christ. Your advocacy of these vile concepts reveal who you follow in fact.
The fruits are:
* Love - you would kill sinners for their sins, and exhibit extreme hatred for other people
* Joy - Can't speak for this. Maybe you're joyful in your advocacy of bloody murder
* Peace - You've advocated full-scale nuclear annihilation of ideological opponent nations
* Longsuffering - Three strikes and then 'off with their heads'
* Kindness - Killing? Kind? Nuclear war?
* Goodness - Again. Killing people sort of rules this out.
* Faithfulness - You are faithful to yourself, aye. But to Christ? Why, you dismiss much of what He said and did as 'liberal nonsense'.
* Gentleness - Erm. War-promotion, mass executions, police state... Gentle? Au contraire!
* Self-control - Not much exhibited in your pursuit of mass murder, Clirus.
If we are to be known by our fruits, then
what are you Clirus? What spiritual power do these fruits belong to:
* Mass murder
* Arrogance
* War
* Oppression
* Ethno and egocentrism
* Social darwinism and eugenics
So if we are known by our fruits, can anyone please tell me what source these fruits tell us is involved? I've got one particular source in mind:
Edit: I should probably add this:
http://www.fstdt.com/ search for "Clirus". You'll find links to Clirus' posts confirming what I'm saying here, revealing what she's advocating almost in fullness. Although there are other posts elsewhere backing it as well. So I am not saying anything about Clirus here she has not said herself. So if anyone thinks I've broken some behavioral rules or somesuch thing - read all about it in the aforementioned link.
Here are some excerpts from former Clirusian posts:
"In order to soften up Iran, nuclear weapons should be used to eliminate all military targets, then America should take over all oil production in Iran then implement: 1)American take over of the oil and only reward the Sunni, Shiites, and Kurds when they behave properly. If they don't behave, they starve."
"do what ever it takes to win, in the shortest possible time, which includes the elimination/killing of men, women and children associated with the threat, as was done in WW II. The war should be fought in a manner so as to minimize the men and material being consumed by the government. The war should be concluded only when the threat has been eliminated."
"When the Bible calls for the execution of disobedient children, I am compelled to comply."
"Enact Absolute Paternity legislation that would execute the father of a child that fails to make child care payments for an illegitimate child."
"I believe the State has the right to either rebuke or execute homosexuals because there is health, safety and economic justification."
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