I don't believe in evolution... (2)

[Snow Phoenix]

Any Christian that thinks they are not infallible is not a Christian at all

Did you mean 'not fallible' or 'infallible'?

 

[Zongerfield]

WW2 is a bit different than what you're advocating today. As Clirus posted earlier we should "round up all the atheists" and dispatch of them. Genocide

What I advocated was the extermination of the Muslim Brotherhood were they to take power in Egypt and launch nukes on US cities. You don't agree with my solution? What would you rather have us do? Hide out in some red woods, live off the land, and sing around campfires, praying that they don't find us? Or would you want them blasted down to hell?

And what's to say of your tireless irrefutable bigotry? No rebukes for you eh?

How have I been bigoted?

You can say nothing of hypocrisy. I really don't need to explain this

Okay.

Indeed He did, but He hasn't ordered you.

No, he has not. But when exigent circumstances arise, God will forgive those of us who fight for freedom, religious and otherwise.

Wow... The audacity of some people blows my mind. Who are you oh man? What gives you the authority to speak on the behalf of Jesus Christ? The man who came to save the world while you scurry on here to condemn the same kind of people he saved. Am i jumping on a wagon of "Clirus haters"? NO. You throw everyone in a basket because WE DON't AGREE (which you associate with hating her, which NO ONE said they hate her)
I've seen Christian brotherhood man, and you are causing derision. You will probably ignore this post as well, but if your eyes do happen to gander over it I ask that you stop and think. THINK. Why do you say the things you do and carry yourself over us? Come back down to our level and stop speaking like a Pharisee.

I have my interpretation of Scripture, you have yours. I believe in a literal and inerrant bible. You have your perspective.

Psalm 138:6 says "Though the LORD is on high, he looks upon the lowly, but the proud he knows from afar."

Still feeling righteous?

I love the Lord our Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[Skavau]

Zongerfield:

Clirus is presenting her genocidal tendencies and ideals as something that should happen now. She has not specified when, or how but only that it should happen. She is directly supporting the execution of all non-conformist atheists that don't adopt the Christian lifestyle. Does that mean that you agree with her and hold that I should be forced, by law to adopt a lifestyle I don't adhere to or die?

 

[HosannaHM]

Did you mean 'not fallible' or 'infallible'?

Christians are fallible thank you good sir

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

What I advocated was the extermination of the Muslim Brotherhood were they to take power in Egypt and launch nukes on US cities. You don't agree with my solution? What would you rather have us do? Hide out in some red woods, live off the land, and sing around campfires, praying that they don't find us? Or would you want them blasted down to hell?

Let's ask Jesus, why don't we?

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Matthew 5:39 (also Lk 6:29) But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?NIV_version=yes&passage=Matthew+10:34
Matthew 26:52
"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."
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Practice what your guy preached, man.

 

[Zongerfield]

Let's ask Jesus, why don't we?

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Matthew 5:39 (also Lk 6:29) But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Matthew 26:52
"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."
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Practice what your guy preached, man.

When I say unto the wicked, O wicked [man], thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked [man] shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Ezekiel 33:8

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

When I say unto the wicked, O wicked [man], thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked [man] shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Ezekiel 33:8

So Ezekiel trumps Jesus? What dispensation are we in again? Or do you separate your meats from your cheeses?

 

[Nathan Poe]

What I advocated was the extermination of the Muslim Brotherhood were they to take power in Egypt and launch nukes on US cities. You don't agree with my solution? What would you rather have us do? Hide out in some red woods, live off the land, and sing around campfires, praying that they don't find us? Or would you want them blasted down to hell?

Perhaps we simply choose not to live in fear. "Kill them all before they even have a chance to think about harming you" is pretty cowardly, when you think about it.

Feel free to fantasize about having anyone you want "blasted down to hell" -- it's always nice to see true colors show.

No, he has not. But when exigent circumstances arise, God will forgive those of us who fight for freedom, religious and otherwise.

So, you've got a carte blanche to blast anyone you want to to hell, as you can you can justify it after the fact.

of course, your enemies being dead means they'll never be able to prove they weren't your enemies. Convenient, isn't it -- especially when we become your enemies.

I have my interpretation of Scripture, you have yours. I believe in a literal and inerrant bible. You have your perspective.

So stop yammering and go kill your enemies already -- every last man, woman, and child.

That is what the literal and inerrant Bible orders you to do, isn't it?

 

[Nathan Poe]

So Ezekiel trumps Jesus?

Of course he does! It takes some serious skill to use Jesus to rationalize genocide. Far easier to retreat back to OT times, and act like he never existed.

 

[Snow Phoenix]

Christians are fallible thank you good sir

Well, they should at least recognize that they're fallible. It's scary how many I've seen here who are absolutely certain they are infallible.

 

[Charlie V]

A literal and inerrant Bible says a great deal against genocide.
If it says anything for genocide, than it contains literal and inerrant contradictions.

"Love your enemies." Right before you kill them, I'm to interpret that?

Charlie

 

[Zongerfield]

Perhaps we simply choose not to live in fear. "Kill them all before they even have a chance to think about harming you" is pretty cowardly, when you think about it.

You're reading into things that are not there. When did I say, "Kill them all before they even have a chance to think about harming you"?

I said were they to do x,y,z... then a swift and decisive response involving extreme measures is permissible.

Feel free to fantasize about having anyone you want "blasted down to hell" -- it's always nice to see true colors show.

Who goes to hell, and who does not, is not really my concern. God will decide in the end.

So, you've got a carte blanche to blast anyone you want to to hell, as you can you can justify it after the fact.

Again, this is a horrible misreading of what I've very clearly stated. Genocidal measures are only permissible in exigent circumstances where our life, liberty, and country are on the line.

of course, your enemies being dead means they'll never be able to prove they weren't your enemies. Convenient, isn't it -- especially when we become your enemies.

I have no enemies. Part of the reason why, is because I forgive people and pray for them.

So stop yammering and go kill your enemies already -- every last man, woman, and child.

This is a ridiculous comment.

That is what the literal and inerrant Bible orders you to do, isn't it?

Try reading the bible, instead of embarrassing yourself.

I forgive you and I will pray for you.

 

[Charlie V]

Christians are fallible thank you good sir

And that, in a nutshell, is the biggest problem with the "inerrant and infallible Bible."

No matter how inerrant or infallible the Bible may be, as soon as you read a single word out of it, your errant and fallible brain has to figure out what that word means. The very act of reading is itself an interpretive act.

In the beginning... What is "In"? What is "the"? What is "beginning"? Three words in to Genesis, and I have three words that I have to decide what they mean. What if I decide wrong? What if my decision leads me to kill someone I shouldn't have killed? I'll play it on the safe side and avoid killing people. Something inside me just tells me that killing isn't a very nice thing to do. At least if I've made an errant error and fallibly fallen, I'll have errantly erred on the side of being nice.

The best you can do, assuming the inerrant infallible Bible theory, is to never open the book, leave it on the shelf and say,"That Bible over there is inerrant and infallible. I don't dare open it! If I do, I'm going to have to read the thing and my act of reading's going to mess things all up."

And I'm even taking the giant leap to the translated version being inerrant and infallible... since no Hebrew writer thousands of years ago said "In" or "the" or "beginning." But even then... how can I be sure that I'm correct in my interpretations of all three of those words, let alone the rest of them that follow?

Charlie

PS. It just occurred to me... isn't there a rule somewhere in Christian Forums that says that you can't promote illegal activity? Because I'm fairly certain that executing someone for failure to provide for their family is illegal, but I could check with my local police department to confirm. So stating these "interpretations" just might be against CF rules, though I may be mistaken. But I know for sure that, if I took their advice and executed my neighbor, there are some guys in blue suits who would want to give me a nice pair of bracelets and put me in the back seat of their car. Not that that's the reason I wouldn't do it--I wouldn't do it anyway--but I'm just sayin'!

 

[tulc]

You're reading into things that are not there. When did I say, "Kill them all before they even have a chance to think about harming you"?

I said were they to do x,y,z... then a swift and decisive response involving extreme measures is permissible.



Who goes to hell, and who does not, is not really my concern. God will decide in the end.


Again, this is a horrible misreading of what I've very clearly stated. Genocidal measures are only permissible in exigent circumstances where our life, liberty, and country are on the line.

...where in the New Testament are those Scriptures found?

I have no enemies. Part of the reason why, is because I forgive people and pray for them.

Well...unless they do something that you perceive to be a threat. At which point you can exterminate him, his wife children and every member of his group.

This is a ridiculous comment.

Not really.


[qute]Try reading the bible, instead of embarrassing yourself.[/quote]
I know I do read my bible, and it seems like I may even believe it more then you do.

I forgive you and I will pray for you.

and I ask for your forgiveness if anything I've said was offensive.
tulc(is going to go look for more coffee)

 

[HosannaHM]

What I advocated was the extermination of the Muslim Brotherhood were they to take power in Egypt and launch nukes on US cities. You don't agree with my solution? What would you rather have us do? Hide out in some red woods, live off the land, and sing around campfires, praying that they don't find us? Or would you want them blasted down to hell?

Blasted down to hell. Take a note from our predecessors and live by faith.

How have I been bigoted?

How haven't you been would be a shorter explanation. Everyone on here has called you a bigot at one point except for Clirus. Judging by the fruits of the Spirit you're possessing, that's how you have carried yourself above us.

I have my interpretation of Scripture, you have yours. I believe in a literal and inerrant bible. You have your perspective.

Hmm... I believe in the same literal Bible. But I didn't realize that your interpretation was the "correct one" judging by what you just said.

I love the Lord our Savior Jesus Christ.

Yes and I love Him too. But that has nothing to do with what I posted there. Way to dodge the statements being made.

 

[HosannaHM]

And that, in a nutshell, is the biggest problem with the "inerrant and infallible Bible."

No matter how inerrant or infallible the Bible may be, as soon as you read a single word out of it, your errant and fallible brain has to figure out what that word means. The very act of reading is itself an interpretive act.

In the beginning... What is "In"? What is "the"? What is "beginning"? Three words in to Genesis, and I have three words that I have to decide what they mean. What if I decide wrong? What if my decision leads me to kill someone I shouldn't have killed? I'll play it on the safe side and avoid killing people. Something inside me just tells me that killing isn't a very nice thing to do. At least if I've made an errant error and fallibly fallen, I'll have errantly erred on the side of being nice.

The best you can do, assuming the inerrant infallible Bible theory, is to never open the book, leave it on the shelf and say,"That Bible over there is inerrant and infallible. I don't dare open it! If I do, I'm going to have to read the thing and my act of reading's going to mess things all up."

And I'm even taking the giant leap to the translated version being inerrant and infallible... since no Hebrew writer thousands of years ago said "In" or "the" or "beginning." But even then... how can I be sure that I'm correct in my interpretations of all three of those words, let alone the rest of them that follow?

Charlie

PS. It just occurred to me... isn't there a rule somewhere in Christian Forums that says that you can't promote illegal activity? Because I'm fairly certain that executing someone for failure to provide for their family is illegal, but I could check with my local police department to confirm. So stating these "interpretations" just might be against CF rules, though I may be mistaken. But I know for sure that, if I took their advice and executed my neighbor, there are some guys in blue suits who would want to give me a nice pair of bracelets and put me in the back seat of their car. Not that that's the reason I wouldn't do it--I wouldn't do it anyway--but I'm just sayin'!

Your absolutely right Charlie. And this is what happens when someone believes their interpretation is "infallible". Honestly, it scares me to think of someone with such audacity, but it is how you end up with heretics, radicalisms, and in our case from this thread the practice of Pharisee-like bigotry.

 

[HosannaHM]

Try reading the bible, instead of embarrassing yourself.

I forgive you and I will pray for you.

Why thank you Zongerfield. Here is an example of how you have been condescending and how you have practiced bigotry with individuals here.

 

[Nathan Poe]

You're reading into things that are not there. When did I say, "Kill them all before they even have a chance to think about harming you"?

I said were they to do x,y,z... then a swift and decisive response involving extreme measures is permissible.

So, if they take Egypt, you'd have no problem killing every last one of them?

Who goes to hell, and who does not, is not really my concern. God will decide in the end.

So you're more of a "kill them all and let God sort them out" type, then?

Again, this is a horrible misreading of what I've very clearly stated. Genocidal measures are only permissible in exigent circumstances where our life, liberty, and country are on the line.

And who gets to decide when those circumstances are -- God, or you?

I have no enemies. Part of the reason why, is because I forgive people and pray for them.

Unless they're marked for genocide.

This is a ridiculous comment.

I've often said that regarding some of the Bible's more bloodthirsty passages.

Try reading the bible, instead of embarrassing yourself.

Funny, I've often said that too to those who think genocide is Godly.

I forgive you and I will pray for you.

I pity you and hope you get an education.

^ Still doesn't sound good, does it?

 

[Charlie V]

What I advocated was the extermination of the Muslim Brotherhood were they to take power in Egypt and launch nukes on US cities.

Imaginary hypothetical crimes. Why are you picking on someone for hypothetically doing something they've never done? Why not in the same breath advocate the extermination of Christian Charities if they are ever to take power and launch nukes on US cities? Neither is likely to happen.

Further, the "Muslim brotherhood" is a large group of diverse people in many nations, many of whom avow to oppose violence. If some subset of that group in Egypt or anywhere else happened to commit a specific act (an horrifically and outrageously offensive hypothetical designed to fan the flames of hatred), that would not render a member of the same organization who lives in Jordan, or Canada, or New York City, guilty of the crime, a member who may well oppose the actions of that sub-group in Egypt (hypothetical actions which, I repeat, are not even remotely likely) any more than a Republican in South Carolina bombing an abortion clinic renders guilty of the crime, a different Republican living in Washington state who works in a soup kitchen and runs a bake sale for a church.

I really don't care for fear-mongering (and recommended extermination and genocide) over hypothetical crimes that don't exist in reality. The only ones who have launched nukes on any cities anywhere, to date, fly a familiar Star Spangled Banner. Do therefore those who share the religion and/or nationality of those who dropped those two bombs deserve to be exterminated?

Don't get me wrong--I'm an American who loves America. I just don't care for the vilification of people who have done nothing, for the idea that they might hypothetically do something to our country that we've already done to another country... that we're the only one who's ever done to another country. Not to mention the vilification and proposed extermination of others who, even in the hypothetical, had nothing to do with the action, except sharing some affiliation with a religious brotherhood that happens to encompass many millions of people, many of whom live thousands of miles from the alleged hypothetical perpetrators.

You don't agree with my solution? What would you rather have us do? Hide out in some red woods, live off the land, and sing around campfires, praying that they don't find us? Or would you want them blasted down to hell?

For starters, I don't even agree with your problem. Such a hypothetical situation doesn't exist in reality.

Secondly, no, I don't agree with your solution either. When attacked, the wisest course of action is a proper and measured response. Genocide is not a proper and measured response. What you have recommended is that those who are innocent of the crime be rounded up and executed along with the guilty.

What you present here is, in logic, called the false dilemma. You are suggesting that there are exactly two choices in response to your fabricated scenario, and no others: Genocide, or singing around campfires. An infinitude of other alternative choices exist which are neither of those two things.

Finally, regarding hell--I don't think it's within the power of any human being to decide the eternal fate of an immortal soul, but I do recall that God is capable of removing sin "as far as the east is from the west." I personally do not wish, even my worst enemy, eternal torment, because I have taken the time to consider what "eternity" means. Time heals all wounds... but an eternity is eternal.

Charlie

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I have my interpretation of Scripture, you have yours. I believe in a literal and inerrant bible. You have your perspective.

Perhaps you ought to revise the above to read that you believe your interpretation of the Bible is inerrant.