I asked "AI" (Deepseek R1 model) some difficult topics Christianity

[timewerx]

The model is given the New Testament scriptures to search and analyze and already pre-trained by its developers (not me). I'm a Christian for over 20 years and have read the whole Bible many times conducted deep studies of New testament many years ago, long before "AI" even became a thing. So I'm not doing these out of laziness. I already know the answers to the questions I'm asking. I only needed confirmation or perhaps to test "AI" (or LLMs) of its ability to reason if it can match my Holy Spirit guided studies of the Bible.

Here is the question (more to follow!):

if scriptures can guide us to salvation then why Jesus did not give any command to canonize scriptures but to receive guidance from the spirit of truth instead?

Deepseek's response:

Okay, so I'm trying to figure out why Jesus didn't tell people to canonize scriptures if they can guide us to salvation. The user mentioned that the Bible says God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble, and James 1:5 about wanting wisdom. Also, there's something about not needing a rule of faith like Tertullian had.

First, I need to understand what it means for scriptures to "guide us to salvation." The user is implying that if the Bible can do this, why didn't Jesus establish a process to make certain which parts are officially recognized (canonized)? Instead, he told people to receive guidance from the Spirit of truth.

I think about how in the early Christian church, there was no single rule or set of criteria for what would become the New Testament. The Gospels and other writings were circulating among communities, but they weren't all considered equal or official right away.

Maybe Jesus didn't need to canonize scriptures because he taught that the Spirit would lead people directly. He emphasized a personal relationship with God through the Spirit (John 14:26), so perhaps he saw the scriptures as a guide but not the ultimate authority. The user's excerpt from Tertullian shows that in early times, there wasn't a clear consensus on what was authoritative.

Also, if Jesus had tried to canonize specific texts, it might have been too soon or without enough agreement among believers about which books were truly inspired. The process of deciding the canon took time and involved debates over various writings' authenticity and value.

Additionally, the Bible itself contains warnings against adding extra teachings (like in Revelation) and emphasizes faith in God's word rather than human traditions. So maybe Jesus knew that leaving it to the Spirit and individual hearts was more effective for people's salvation without imposing a specific set of scriptures.

I should also consider how the concept of canon developed later, influenced by the needs of the church as it grew and needed a unified body of teachings. Before that, communities probably used various scriptures, including Jewish ones, along with their own experiences guided by the Spirit to understand truth.

So in summary, Jesus didn't need to establish a canon because he trusted the Spirit's guidance over any specific set of scriptures. The process of deciding which books were authoritative came later as the church organized and needed a unified message.Jesus did not establish a formal process for canonizing scriptures because his primary focus was on fostering a personal relationship with God through the Holy Spirit, rather than relying solely on written texts (John 14:26). He emphasized that the Spirit would guide believers directly. This approach allowed for flexibility and reliance on individual spiritual experiences.

The early Christian church faced challenges in identifying which writings were authoritative. Without a unified rule of faith like Tertullian's, communities relied on their own understanding guided by the Spirit and existing Jewish scriptures. Over time, as the church grew, the need arose to organize and unify teachings into a recognized canon, which was not part of Jesus' original instruction.

Thus, Jesus' method encouraged reliance on the Holy Spirit for guidance rather than waiting for an official list of scriptures. This approach aligned with his teaching that salvation comes through faith in God, as opposed to human traditions or specific textual authority.

 

[partinobodycular]

The model is given the New Testament scriptures to search and analyze and already pre-trained by its developers (not me).

Here is the question (more to follow!):

if scriptures can guide us to salvation then why Jesus did not give any command to canonize scriptures but to receive guidance from the spirit of truth instead?

Deepseek's response:

Okay, so I'm trying to figure out why Jesus didn't tell people to canonize scriptures if they can guide us to salvation. The user mentioned that the Bible says God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble, and James 1:5 about wanting wisdom. Also, there's something about not needing a rule of faith like Tertullian had.

First, I need to understand what it means for scriptures to "guide us to salvation." The user is implying that if the Bible can do this, why didn't Jesus establish a process to make certain which parts are officially recognized (canonized)? Instead, he told people to receive guidance from the Spirit of truth.

I think about how in the early Christian church, there was no single rule or set of criteria for what would become the New Testament. The Gospels and other writings were circulating among communities, but they weren't all considered equal or official right away.

Maybe Jesus didn't need to canonize scriptures because he taught that the Spirit would lead people directly. He emphasized a personal relationship with God through the Spirit (John 14:26), so perhaps he saw the scriptures as a guide but not the ultimate authority. The user's excerpt from Tertullian shows that in early times, there wasn't a clear consensus on what was authoritative.

Also, if Jesus had tried to canonize specific texts, it might have been too soon or without enough agreement among believers about which books were truly inspired. The process of deciding the canon took time and involved debates over various writings' authenticity and value.

Additionally, the Bible itself contains warnings against adding extra teachings (like in Revelation) and emphasizes faith in God's word rather than human traditions. So maybe Jesus knew that leaving it to the Spirit and individual hearts was more effective for people's salvation without imposing a specific set of scriptures.

I should also consider how the concept of canon developed later, influenced by the needs of the church as it grew and needed a unified body of teachings. Before that, communities probably used various scriptures, including Jewish ones, along with their own experiences guided by the Spirit to understand truth.

So in summary, Jesus didn't need to establish a canon because he trusted the Spirit's guidance over any specific set of scriptures. The process of deciding which books were authoritative came later as the church organized and needed a unified message.Jesus did not establish a formal process for canonizing scriptures because his primary focus was on fostering a personal relationship with God through the Holy Spirit, rather than relying solely on written texts (John 14:26). He emphasized that the Spirit would guide believers directly. This approach allowed for flexibility and reliance on individual spiritual experiences.

The early Christian church faced challenges in identifying which writings were authoritative. Without a unified rule of faith like Tertullian's, communities relied on their own understanding guided by the Spirit and existing Jewish scriptures. Over time, as the church grew, the need arose to organize and unify teachings into a recognized canon, which was not part of Jesus' original instruction.

Thus, Jesus' method encouraged reliance on the Holy Spirit for guidance rather than waiting for an official list of scriptures. This approach aligned with his teaching that salvation comes through faith in God, as opposed to human traditions or specific textual authority.

Methinks that Deepseek needs to learn to cut down on the verbiage.

 

[timewerx]

Methinks that Deepseek needs to learn to cut down on the verbiage.

The Llama models by itself seem to be the least wordy and I'm actually running deepseek r1 distill with Llama. Deepseek made it wordy.

But I still prefer it with deepseek due to quality and detailed response even if too wordy.

 

[timewerx]

Discussion topic with LLM:


solomon seemed to value material wealth while Jesus did not.

Answer:


In comparing King Solomon and Jesus' perspectives on material wealth:

1. King Solomon:
   • Emphasized material wealth highly, with goblets made entirely of gold and household items also in pure gold.
   • Valued trading ships filled with precious goods like silver, ivory, apes, etc., indicating a focus on luxury and external riches.
2. Jesus:
   • Promoted spiritual values over material wealth, emphasizing love for God and neighbor as the foundation of one's life.
   • Sin was seen as mixing material nature (body) with spiritual aspects, leading to domination by materialism; salvation comes through overcoming such attachment.

In summary, King Solomon represents a focus on outer material wealth, while Jesus advocates for prioritizing spiritual values over earthly gains.


My personal (human) take on this subject:

The scriptures made an example of how materialistic person lived his life. I strongly doubt Solomon's example is to be copied or emulated. I don't even think that Proverbs is to be regarded as guide given the teachings that value material wealth which clearly contradicts the teachings of Jesus.

The mainstream belief blindly accepts the teachings of Solomon without consideration to its consequences - unsustainable reality that facts ultimately prove causes harm not only to our planet but also to the most vulnerable.

 

[fhansen]

The model is given the New Testament scriptures to search and analyze and already pre-trained by its developers (not me). I'm a Christian for over 20 years and have read the whole Bible many times conducted deep studies of New testament many years ago, long before "AI" even became a thing. So I'm not doing these out of laziness. I already know the answers to the questions I'm asking. I only needed confirmation or perhaps to test "AI" (or LLMs) of its ability to reason if it can match my Holy Spirit guided studies of the Bible.

Here is the question (more to follow!):

if scriptures can guide us to salvation then why Jesus did not give any command to canonize scriptures but to receive guidance from the spirit of truth instead?

Deepseek's response:

Okay, so I'm trying to figure out why Jesus didn't tell people to canonize scriptures if they can guide us to salvation. The user mentioned that the Bible says God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble, and James 1:5 about wanting wisdom. Also, there's something about not needing a rule of faith like Tertullian had.

First, I need to understand what it means for scriptures to "guide us to salvation." The user is implying that if the Bible can do this, why didn't Jesus establish a process to make certain which parts are officially recognized (canonized)? Instead, he told people to receive guidance from the Spirit of truth.

I think about how in the early Christian church, there was no single rule or set of criteria for what would become the New Testament. The Gospels and other writings were circulating among communities, but they weren't all considered equal or official right away.

Maybe Jesus didn't need to canonize scriptures because he taught that the Spirit would lead people directly. He emphasized a personal relationship with God through the Spirit (John 14:26), so perhaps he saw the scriptures as a guide but not the ultimate authority. The user's excerpt from Tertullian shows that in early times, there wasn't a clear consensus on what was authoritative.

Also, if Jesus had tried to canonize specific texts, it might have been too soon or without enough agreement among believers about which books were truly inspired. The process of deciding the canon took time and involved debates over various writings' authenticity and value.

Additionally, the Bible itself contains warnings against adding extra teachings (like in Revelation) and emphasizes faith in God's word rather than human traditions. So maybe Jesus knew that leaving it to the Spirit and individual hearts was more effective for people's salvation without imposing a specific set of scriptures.

I should also consider how the concept of canon developed later, influenced by the needs of the church as it grew and needed a unified body of teachings. Before that, communities probably used various scriptures, including Jewish ones, along with their own experiences guided by the Spirit to understand truth.

So in summary, Jesus didn't need to establish a canon because he trusted the Spirit's guidance over any specific set of scriptures. The process of deciding which books were authoritative came later as the church organized and needed a unified message.Jesus did not establish a formal process for canonizing scriptures because his primary focus was on fostering a personal relationship with God through the Holy Spirit, rather than relying solely on written texts (John 14:26). He emphasized that the Spirit would guide believers directly. This approach allowed for flexibility and reliance on individual spiritual experiences.

The early Christian church faced challenges in identifying which writings were authoritative. Without a unified rule of faith like Tertullian's, communities relied on their own understanding guided by the Spirit and existing Jewish scriptures. Over time, as the church grew, the need arose to organize and unify teachings into a recognized canon, which was not part of Jesus' original instruction.

Thus, Jesus' method encouraged reliance on the Holy Spirit for guidance rather than waiting for an official list of scriptures. This approach aligned with his teaching that salvation comes through faith in God, as opposed to human traditions or specific textual authority.

It's not the Spirit of truth only-Jesus came to reveal truths that we need to know. and His disciples were spreading that truth before a word of the new testament was written. The Bereans, for example, diligent as they were in studying Scripture, required the input of Christ's disciples in order to properly understand it. And even with Christ's revelation, which the new testament attests to, there were many things that were recorded while others were not. The Spirit works through His people and His written Word and there's a body of beliefs in Christianity that have continuity back to the beginning and those are aligned with the Spirit as well.