I am trying to be a Pastor of a Baptist church, and have a problem with a doctrine

[JacobHall86]

Each post of yours is less coherent than the previous.

 

[acorn_777]

Actually I doubt that God has called you to pastor any church. God does not call His pastors to offer to pastor He puts them in the office.

Quick to judge. Maybe you should reread my posts. Thats the problem, we act is if we are God, and can judge. What specifically have I stated that would impress you to think this about me?

 

[acorn_777]

I find all the above most fascinating, but wonder why folk have to spend so much time debating with each other OSAS.

Honestly, I didn't know it was that big a topic. I am being called by God to pastor a church, and just had some questions about that concept, as I know the words and thoughts that I say, are judged by God. Christ said that? Did he not?

 

[DeaconDean]

How about having been saved and then subsequently lost?

If that is the case, then Jesus is a liar.

"While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled." -Jn. 17:12 (KJV)

If Jesus is able to lose one of His own, then He is not much of a "shepherd".

(And becoming lost again by having one's sin debt reinstated?)

Do you know what the word "redemption" is?

If yours sins have been forgiven, they cannot be re-instated to you.

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:" -Col. 1:14 (KJV)

"As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us." -Psa 103:12 (KJV)

"for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." -Jer. 31:34 (KJV)

You mean to tell me, that if I sin enough, I can have my previous sins reinstated to me when the word of God says that my sins are forgiven me, cast into the sea of forgetfulness, removed as far as east is from west, never to be remembered no more?

I believe there are passages which point alone this line, although many churches (and not just most Baptists churches) interpret such passages into irrelevance.

Well my friend, the bottom line is this, our Baptist confession teach the doctrine of the "Perservence of the Saints." That is in the FSG's for this room. And if you don't believe it, if you believe that God can lose one of His own, then that is your business.

But the fact remains, that doctrine, Perseverence, is OSAS. That is what Baptists have believed from the begining of this countries history. And, that is the standard view of this room. And to teach contrary is against the rules.

Believe as you wish.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[DeaconDean]

I was a Baptist for several years until I started questioning OSAS and some other teachings like the cheap grace gospel being preached (and that caused a lot of problems between me and my wife’s family, who are die-hard Baptists). So I do speak authoritatively from a Baptist background. I was heavily involved in lay ministry at the time, but the handwriting was on the wall, so I started looking around, which I am still somewhat doing to this day. So, is the requirement for being here to be actively attending a Baptist church? (Right now I'm not a member of any church.) If so, I bet a lot of persons here would fail that test. (And most members are not very "active", if you know what I mean.) And does not believing OSAS disqualify me? I know it disqualified me from the ministry (which was in part why I started looking around). As a rule of thumb, I won't join any church which would prohibit someone like me from joining the ministry. I will leave if you guys feel threatened by me, just ask me to go and I’m gone. I have learned to not stick around where I'm not welcome.

No, the requirment here, is, that you subscribe to one of these Baptist confessions:

Baptist Forum

The Congregation-Wide Guidelines apply to this forum. They outline the basic membership and debate guidelines for this forum. Additional guidelines are explained below.

Additional guidelines on debate: none

Statement of Faith:

Members of this forum agree with at least one of the following doctrinal statements:

• The Baptist Faith and Message (SBC) http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/basicbeliefs.asp
• Conservative Baptist Convention statement of faith http://www.cbamerica.org/cba_resources/doctrinal_statement.html
• American Baptist Statement of faith http://www.abc-usa.org/identity/bible.html
• 7th day Baptist Statement of Belief http://www.seventhdaybaptist.org/7DB...nID=1535472826
• National Association of Freewill Baptists Statement of Beliefs http://www.nafwb.org/believe
• British Baptists Statement of beliefs http://www.snbc.org.uk/thebaptistfaith.html
• Baptist Missionary Alliance Doctrinal Statement http://www.fortworthbaptistchurch.or...AADoctrine.asp
• The London Baptist Confession of 1689 http://www.vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc00.html
• The Philadelphia Confession of 1742 http://www.reformedreader.org/ccc/pc14.htm
• The 1644 LBC http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/creeds/bc1644.htm
• The New Hampshire confession http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/creeds/nh_conf.htm
• The Goat Yard confession (J. Gill) http://members.aol.com/dwibclc/goat.htm
• The NCR Confession of Faith http://www.nationalbaptist.com/images/documents/26.pdf

In addition, members of the forum agree to all of the following points:

1. Believers Baptism (credobaptism) – Baptism is one of two ordinances and is done by immersion as a symbol of one’s salvation, having come to faith in Chris, and is not the means of salvation.

2. The Priesthood of the believer - Our High Priest is Jesus Christ, our sole Mediator between man and God. Because of His sacrifice and mediation for us, we can go boldly to the throne of grace for mercy and help (Hebrews 4: 19). We are not required to confess to a human agent in order to receive forgiveness and help from God.

3. The scriptures are given by inspiration of God and as such are the only and sufficient and authoritative rule of faith. We do not deny the role of the Holy Spirit in guiding and enlightening the believer, or the authority of the Church to teach. However, any statement of faith or doctrinal teaching of the Church should be based on His written word.

4. The Lord’s Supper is an ordinance (one of two ordinances), done in remembrance of the sacrifice Jesus Christ made for us at the cross.

5. The autonomy of the local church.

6. Religious freedom and its corollary, the separation of church and state – for the purposes of this forum, the separation of church and state shall be viewed in terms of state churches only.

FSG's for the Baptist area.

And if you do not:

MEMBERSHIP

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Those who do not agree with the congregational forum’s Statement of Faith may not debate or post teaching or instruction posts. NOTE: Some forums may allow more debate by non-members than others. If so, it will be stated in their forum-specific guidelines (FSGs).

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Congregational FSG's.

If you do not subscribe to any of the above Baptist Confessions, then you cannot be dicussing or debating here. And as of now, from what you have said, I don't see that you are a "Baptist" per se.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[mlqurgw]

Quick to judge. Maybe you should reread my posts. Thats the problem, we act is if we are God, and can judge. What specifically have I stated that would impress you to think this about me?

And it is always the quick answer to accuse someone of judging in the place of God when you know that they have spoken the truth and you don't agree with it. I have known many like you who aspire to the office of pastor but were never called to it. I have never seen it be a peaceful and loving relationship with the church they pastor and usually ends up in turmoil and trouble in the church and destroys many. As for what I have seen in your posts that cause me to say these things: Your background in the Church of God for one. Pentecostal leanings never do well in Baptist churches. The fact that you claim that Jesus talks to you is another. He does speak but it is always by His Word. Extra-biblical revelation is nothing less than a denial of the sufficiency of the Scriptures. The very fact that you believe that any for whom Christ died and has given eternal life can loose that for which Christ came and suffered tells me that you haven't the knowledge of the teaching of the Scriptures as a whole to lead and teach those for whom Christ died. It is as Dean said, it is a denial of the Gospel.
The responsibility of pastoring is one that should never be taken lightly or sought after as one would search for a job. Not only are eternal souls at stake but the cause of Christ and His glory. If you persist and the folks do allow you to be their pastor it will be nothing but trouble for you and them.

 

[Wizzer]

Honestly, I didn't know it [OSAS] was that big a topic.

In most churches this is a very big topic. In fact, I have never been in a church where it wasn't important to some extent (though some churches make it a much bigger deal than others). For most SBC churches, this is going to be an extremely big deal. The bottom line, as far as I know, is that no pastor can remain in an SBC church if he openly questions the OSAS doctrine (much less if he teaches against it). I once knew an SBC associate pastor who privately admitted to me that he was undecided about the OSAS doctrine, but he also told me that he could never admit that to anyone in his congregation, for he knew the consequences. You really need to get a handle on this topic, and figure out where you stand. Unless you believe OSAS, the SBC is no place for you.

 

[mlqurgw]

In most churches this is a very big topic. In fact, I have never been in a church where it wasn't important to some extent (though some churches make it a much bigger deal than others). For most SBC churches, this is going to be an extremely big deal. The bottom line, as far as I know, is that no pastor can remain in an SBC church if he openly questions the OSAS doctrine (much less if he teaches against it). I once knew an SBC associate pastor who privately admitted to me that he was undecided about the OSAS doctrine, but he also told me that he could never admit that to anyone in his congregation, for he knew the consequences. You really need to get a handle on this topic, and figure out where you stand. Unless you believe OSAS, the SBC is no place for you.

No man called of God is afraid to speak the truth of God for fear of the consequences. If he is he isn't called of God but is a hireling.

 

[the particular baptist]

The Perseverance Of The Saints doctrine is quite clearly seen in John 17 and supported by a myriad of other passages along with the New Covenant promises in the OT regarding God's people.

I think perhaps people see the wordliness and sin in the lives of so called "christians" and rightfully so cant reconcile what they see with how Christ describes His followers, and or, rampant backsliding with no real victories over sin and bondage, and conclude that the doctrine of Perseverance cant be right. Dont allow life experiences to determine doctrine and God's truth. The doctrine of Perseverance is 100% biblical and followers of Christ will continue following Him all the way into glory.

ESV Hebrews 12:2 looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith

 

[acorn_777]

And it is always the quick answer to accuse someone of judging in the place of God when you know that they have spoken the truth and you don't agree with it. I have known many like you who aspire to the office of pastor but were never called to it. I have never seen it be a peaceful and loving relationship with the church they pastor and usually ends up in turmoil and trouble in the church and destroys many. As for what I have seen in your posts that cause me to say these things: Your background in the Church of God for one. Pentecostal leanings never do well in Baptist churches. The fact that you claim that Jesus talks to you is another. He does speak but it is always by His Word. Extra-biblical revelation is nothing less than a denial of the sufficiency of the Scriptures. The very fact that you believe that any for whom Christ died and has given eternal life can loose that for which Christ came and suffered tells me that you haven't the knowledge of the teaching of the Scriptures as a whole to lead and teach those for whom Christ died. It is as Dean said, it is a denial of the Gospel.
The responsibility of pastoring is one that should never be taken lightly or sought after as one would search for a job. Not only are eternal souls at stake but the cause of Christ and His glory. If you persist and the folks do allow you to be their pastor it will be nothing but trouble for you and them.

I don't deny Jesus. I don't dent God. I don't deny the Baptist in general. I do deny selfishness, complacency, ...or should I say, Not hot, nor cold. Did you not read any of my posts. Peoples souls is why I am hesitant to say they are 'good' for life. God has always been. Jesus has always been.


I am soooooo discouraged with this. I said earlier that I accept that Jesus would never let us go, but we can stray. I don't get this. Is your social status that important. Are you a Pharisee? Do you live a clean outside, but the inside needs cleaned? I am not judging, I am asking. You are coming at me as though I'm the anti Christ. If this is what the Baptist are, ...Me and my house will worship the Lord.

I understand the SBC, or whichever Baptist are steadfast about their long standing religion, but I'm sorry. It is what it is. I know this .

If Judas could be right beside Jesus Christ in all His glory, and fall short, Satan 'entering' as Jesus said he did; then we as human beings in a world similar to Sodom, could as Lot had to do, vex our souls on a daily basis.

How can you say otherwise? It all in the Bible, you just have to read it.

 

[DeaconDean]

No offense Deacon, but if were a 30yr member of the SBC and just had a question about OSAS then this would probably of left me hook line sinker.

But, that is not the case, and His grace is sufficient for us all. Even us that study, and challenge man-ordained doctrine.

First off, all doctrines that we believe come by way of men, Godly men, studying the scriptures and coming to these conclusions.

As bad as I hate the Catholic church, I have to give then credit for supplying us with the doctrine of the "trinity."

Even though the word "trinity" is not used in the scriptures, there are references to God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. So using your standard way of thinking, we should trash the doctrine of the "trinity" since it is a "man-made" doctrine?

Anyway, I want to comment on these two points from your post.
One- I am in no way attacking the Bible, and to impress that is absurd, and lack of open minded thought.

Even though the Bible teaches this "doctrine" you say it isn't there, so in a round about way, you are.

Second- The good news of Christ, is that the prophecies from the prophets have been fulfilled. Even Jesus said that. Jesus is the light to God for the Gentiles. To all peoples, 2Samuel.

So what does this have to do with the question at hand?

Because one must believe in the perseverance of the saints in order to accurately teach the good news of the unmerited favor of God. The gospel is of Grace.

Show me in the scriptures where a person can be saved, lost, saved, lost, saved, lost.

And again, do you dispute what peter says:

"Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation" -1 Pet. 1:5 (KJV)

Are you saying that God cannot keep us through faith?

Look at the Greek word expressed in this sentence:

"frouroumenouV" this word is in the perfect passive participle of "frourew". Which means:

(watching, watchful) to keep watch upon, guard, Mt. 27:36, 54; 28:4; Acts 12:6; to watch over protectively, guard, 1 Jn. 5:18; Rev. 16:15; to mark attentively, to heed, Rev. 1:3; to observe practically, keep strickly, Mt. 19:17; 23:3; 28:20; Mk. 7:9; Jn. 8:51; et. al.; to preserve, shield, Jn, 17:15; to store up, reserve, Jn. 2:10; 12:7; 1 Pet. 1:4; 2 Pet. 2:4,9,17; et.al.; to keep in custody, Acts 12:5;16:23; et.al.; to maintain, Eph. 4:3; 2 Tim. 4:7; to keep in a condition, Jn. 17:11-12; 1 Cor. 7:37; 2 Cor. 11:9; 1 Tim. 5:22; Jas. 1:27

The New Analytical Greek Lexicon, Wesley J. Perschbacher, Hendrickson Publishing, Peabody, Mass., 01962, Copyright 1990, "frourew" p. 407

So, you would have me to believe that God cannot: watch, to keep watch on, guard, protect, to mark, heed, observe, preserve, shield, store up, reserve keep us in custory, maintain us, keep us in a condition of, saved?

Whether you like it or not, as a pastor, you had be prepared to teach and preach the doctrine of the Perseverence of the Saints.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[DeaconDean]

If Judas could be right beside Jesus Christ in all His glory, and fall short, Satan 'entering' as Jesus said he did; then we as human beings in a world similar to Sodom, could as Lot had to do, vex our souls on a daily basis.

How can you say otherwise? It all in the Bible, you just have to read it.

Well then, show me in the scriptures, where Judas was saved to begin with.

Scriptures speak not in a positive light of Judas. He is refered to as "the son of perdition." Is that a title of a saved person?

Show me in the scriptures the works of Judas.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[acorn_777]

One person told me they didn't see the calling. Another told me that they didn't see me being a pastor of 'any' church. Others had said I have disrespected the GOD that I LIVE by. Some said because Jesus spoke to me, I was not scripturally smart.

Crazy. This is crazy. You are suppose to support and help someone. I asked many questions and didn't get any answers, rather butchered by ...My own people...Thanks. I was going to give my testimony to our interrim pastor, and speak it to the church. But now, from what I understand. I guess people will think I'm a nutjob because God spoke to me.

For what's it's worth. I read Charles Stanley's How to hear from God. Isn't he Baptist anyway. God spoke to Abraham. God spoke to Paul. God speaks.

Maybe you reevaluate yourselves if you don't think God is able to speak, confirm, direct, and coordinate His will on Earth through speaking to His people.

Thanks anyways everyone. I guess I will give up on SBC because I read my Bible.

I

 

[the particular baptist]

If Judas could be right beside Jesus Christ in all His glory, and fall short, Satan 'entering' as Jesus said he did; then we as human beings in a world similar to Sodom, could as Lot had to do, vex our souls on a daily basis.

Scripture is clear Judas was set aside for his dirty task. There are many indications in your previous posts that you do not have a good understanding of who God is and just how depraved men are. You would do your soul a world of good to take several months and study only the Attributes of God then do a study on the depravity of man.

It all in the Bible, you just have to read it.

Or rather ... "Its all in the Bible, serious study and crying out to God for illumination required.

 

[DeaconDean]

One person told me they didn't see the calling. Another told me that they didn't see me being a pastor of 'any' church. Others had said I have disrespected the GOD that I LIVE by. Some said because Jesus spoke to me, I was not scripturally smart.

Crazy. This is crazy. You are suppose to support and help someone. I asked many questions and didn't get any answers, rather butchered by ...My own people...Thanks. I was going to give my testimony to our interrim pastor, and speak it to the church. But now, from what I understand. I guess people will think I'm a nutjob because God spoke to me.

For what's it's worth. I read Charles Stanley's How to hear from God. Isn't he Baptist anyway. God spoke to Abraham. God spoke to Paul. God speaks.

Maybe you reevaluate yourselves if you don't think God is able to speak, confirm, direct, and coordinate His will on Earth through speaking to His people.

Thanks anyways everyone. I guess I will give up on SBC because I read my Bible.

I

No, what we have trouble with is that we show you plain teaching of the Bible (scriptres), and you have these pre-concieved notions that what you have been taught in the past is correct, and we are wrong.

What I have trouble with is people failing to study. And I don't mean devoting some 30 minutes a day, or once a week, but devoting a "study" of the subject at hand.

It took me 6 months of intense study to grasp all that this doctrine teaches.

If your going into the ministry, if you are struggling with "perservance" how will it be when you have to teach and preach "election"? "Predestination"? "Grace Alone"?

All we ask is that you take some time and study. Not just 5 minutes a day, or once a week. But devote some time into studying.

Any person can get up and preach or teach. But, a good shepherd will study God's word, and study it in detail.

And if you decide to teach against the doctrine of "perseverence", I just want to warn you of one thing. The scriptures teach us:

"My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation." -Jas. 3:1 (KJV)

If you decide that "perseverence" is another "man-made" doctrine that scriptures do not support, then one day, you will have to stand before the Master and answer for that. And each person you teach this to, you'll have to answer for that also. And for each person they in turn teach that to, you'll have to answer for that also.

Take the time, study this doctrine closely. Read as many articles, systematic theologies as you can get your hands on. Read both sides of the argument also.

Run the scripture references, then make an informed decision.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[DeaconDean]

Previously I said:

If your going into the ministry, if you are struggling with "perservance" how will it be when you have to teach and preach "election"? "Predestination"? "Grace Alone"?

I want you to consider taking this quiz.



A Short Quiz For pastors who think they know their bible.

You are not allowed to use the Bible or any other Biblical help; nor may you ask the opinion of others, nor in books unless otherwise instructed. The only time the Bible may be used is when it explicitly tells you to read the passage and comment on it. You have 5 days to complete it.


Elders are not elders because they are old, they are elders because they know the Bible well. There is a distinction between those who may be good preachers and those who are Pastors/Elders of a church. But even in their humble beginnings, they knew their Bible well.

Some young Preachers who knew their Bible well:
The Shepherd and Bishop of our souls, Jesus Christ: 30 years old.
John the Apostle: ? (His age may range from 17-31??
Aurelius Augustine: 37
John Calvin: 22 (He had his first chaplainry at age 12)
Christopher Love: 27
Jonathan Edwards: 15
Richard Baxter: 23
There are:
296 questions,
183 terms to define,
and 31 practical application questions at the end.​

SECTION 1
Biblical Knowledge

Old Testament Survey

1. On a separate sheet, write out all the books of the Bible in order.
2. Who wrote the first five books of the Bible and why?
3. Who did God create in His image?
4. What was the first sin?
5. What did God do for Adam and Eve after they had committed their sin?
6. What was the covenant sign that God made with Noah after He came out of the ark?
7. What was the covenant sign with Abraham in genesis 17?
8. Why was the city of Sodom destroyed?
9. Read Genesis 50:19. What does this verse tell us about sin and about suffering? (Especially God's involvement in working with the two?
10. Who was the first High Priest Appointed?
11. What was the provision God made for the hungry Israelites in the wilderness?
12. Write out the ten commandments in order?
13. Before the last plague was wrought on Egypt, what "everlasting ordinance" did God instruct Moses to do?
14. What two books of the Bible are the ten commandments written in?
15. What were the three sections of the tabernacle?
16. Which of the following did not belong in the tabernacle?
a) the ark b) the alter of incense c) the gold lamp stand d) the golden scepter e) the bronze laver
17. The ark of the covenant held:
a) the ten commandments b) Aaron's rod c) the manna d) all of the above
18. What is the theme of Leviticus in one word?
19. On the day of atonement, who was affected by the sacrifice?:
a) the Israelites alone b) the whole world c) all the people who were in the camp d) all the people outside the camp e) just the High Priest
20. Who is Korah?
21. Who is the appointed successor of Moses?
22. Did Moses ever get into the promised land of Canaan?
23. Read Deut. 7:6. What do you think this means?
24. What is the theme of Joshua?
25. Name the two bodies of water that God parted.
26. What was the first city to be destroyed by Joshua's army? And how did they do it?
27. What covenant did Joshua renew with the Israelites and why?
28. Name four judges from the book of Judges.
29. Read Judges 9:23. How does this change your perception of God--or does it?
30. Why is the book of Ruth important?
31. What nationality was Ruth?
32. What is a Kinsman Redeemer?
33. Why is Ruth herself important?
34. Who is Hannah?
35. What does the name Ichabod mean, and why is he important?
36. Who was the first king of Israel?
37. What king was deemed "a man after God's own heart?"
38. What sin did this king commit? why? and at who's expense?
39. Who was this kings prophet?
40. Who was struck dead because he touched the ark of the covenant?
41. Who succeeded David as king?
42. Read 1 Kings 8:53. What does this mean?
43. What great prophet is introduced in 1 Kings 17?
44. What crooked husband and wife team did battle against this prophet?
45. What happened with this prophet on Mount Carmel?
46. How did this prophet die?
47. Who was his successor?
48. Who is Micaiah?
49. Read 1 Kings 22:19-23. How does this affect your view of God?
50. Who is Namaan and what prophet ministered to him?
51. Name three kings who did great reforms in the book of 2 Kings:
52. who was the most evil king, who reigned the longest?
53. What king was the king of prayer?
54. Why did God exile Judah and when?
55. 1 Chronicles records for us--what?
55. What did Solomon ask for as a gift from God?
56. Who built the 1st temple?
57. What is Religious Syncretism?
58. What kingdoms did God use to exile the Israelites: circle all that apply:
a) Babylon b) Persia c) Egypt d) Chaldea e) Judah f) Rome
59. During what young king's reign was the book of the law found.
60. What godly scribe has a book of the Bible named after him?
61. King____________was moved by God to have the temple rebuilt.
62. Who was king Artexerxes? and why was he important?
63. In the book of Ezra, what sin is dealt with in the last two chapters, and why is it a great sin?
64. Who was appointed to rebuild the wall of Jerusalem?
65. What book of the OT does not mention God's name one time?
66. Why is the book of Esther important?
67. Who are the four main characters in the book of Esther?
68. What is the feast of Purim?
69. Who was Job's adversary?
70. What were the names of Job's comforters?
71. Were these men comforters?
72. What sufferings did Job endure and why?
73. Read Job 13:15. How does this verse help people deal with trials?
74. Did Job know he would ultimately be saved when he died? why or why not?
75. Read Job 21:30. What does it mean?
76. who offered the best comfort to Job (besides God) in the book?
77. Read Job 42:2. What does this say about the will of God?
78. How many Psalms are there?
79. How are the Psalm, which are men's prayer and songs to God, be God's Word to us?
80. What is a Psalm of ascent?
81. Give two examples (Scriptural ref.) of lamenting Psalms:
82. What is an imprecatory psalm?
83. What are three examples of prophetic Psalms concerning the Messiah?
84. Read Psalm 10:4. What is this saying?
85. Circle any of the following terms you are familiar with: inverted parallelism, acrostic, hallel psalm, antithetical parallelism, synonymous parallelism, selah.
86. Read Psalm 51:5. What is being expressed here?
87. Read Psalm 65:4. What is being expressed here?
88. What is your favorite Psalm and why?
89. Read Psalm 104:34. What does "meditate" mean?
90. Read Psalm 148:6. What is a decree?
91. What five books of the Bible are considered "Hebrew Poetry?"
92. Proverbs personifies something as very important. What?
93. What is the beginning of wisdom?
94. Read Proverbs 9:9. What is being expressed here?
95. What is the long Psalm?
96. What do the Psalms tell us concerning using instruments in worship?
97. Read Proverbs 16:4. What is being expressed here?
98. Read Proverbs 21:2. What is being expressed here?
99. Quote your favorite Proverb:
100. What is the theme of the book of Ecclesiastes?
101. Who wrote Ecclesiastes?
102. What is the key verse to the book of Eccl.?
103. What is the best description of the Song of Songs:?
a) a love song between a husband and a wife b) love between Christ and the church c) love between a king and his d) love between God and creation e) love between a horse and his master
104. Who are the two main characters in the Song of Songs?
105. Which prophet saw the Lord "high and lofty" and "seated on the throne?"
106. Write the chapter from the book of Isaiah which corresponds to each of the following descriptions:
Isaiah hears "holy, holy, holy" _____
The Immanuel prophecy _____
Wonderful, Counselor, etc. _____
The root of Jesse prophecy _____
Hezekiah's life is extended 15 years _____
God's people comforted as sheep _____
The Suffering Servant _____
107. Read Isaiah 66:2. What is being expressed here?
108. Read Jeremiah 1:5. What is being expressed here?
109. Read Jer. 9:23-24. What is being expressed here?
110. Where was Jeremiah when he prophesied?
111. Name three symbols, or object lessons, used by God for Jeremiah's understanding a certain judgment or blessing.
112. Read Jeremiah 13:23 and 17:9. What is being expressed here?
113. Was Jeremiah popular? Why or why not?
114. What chapter is the prophecy of the Branch of Righteousness found in Jeremiah?
115. Read Jeremiah 31:15. What is the NT prophecy which is fulfilled from this verse?
116. In Jeremiah chapter _____, the New Covenant is spoken of.
117. Where is the Law written in the New Covenant?
118. Jeremiah was never placed in a dungeon, but just in a cistern. T or F?
119. Nediah was Jeremiah's scribe. T or F?
120. Why is Lamentations important?
121. Where do we find this verse? "Through the LORD's mercies we are not consumed, because His compassions fail not. They are new every morning; Great is your faithfulness."
122. What is going on in Ezekiel chapter 1?
123. Where was Ezekiel when he prophesied?
124. Read Ezekiel 34:1-16. What is being expressed here?
125. What is the message behind the valley of dry bones?
126. The last 8 chapters of Ezekiel deal with what?
127. What king captured the Israelites during the time of Daniel?
128. What gift did God give Daniel?
129. What five kingdoms did Daniel prophesy about?
130. Which is the greatest kingdom of the 5?
131. Who was Nebuchadnezzer's son and why is he important?
132. Daniel was thrown into the lions den and the fiery furnace. T or F.
133. Who were the friends of Daniel?
134. Who is seen in Daniel's vision of chapter 7?
135. What was the messenger's name God sent to Daniel after 22 days of prayer?
136. What prophet was instructed to marry a harlot?
137. Read Hosea 6:6. What is being expressed here?
138. What "army" does Joel prophesy about?
139. What well known prophecy is contained in Joel 2?
140. What was Amos' occupation?
141. Read Amos 3:2. What is being expressed here?
142. What, to who and why did Obadiah prophecy?
143. How long was Jonah in the belly of the great fish?
144. Many people think Jonah was just a fairy tale. Read 2 Kings 14:25. Why does this help us?
145. Who did Jonah prophesy against?
146. How does the book of Jonah end? Why?
147. Who was a contemporary prophet of Micah? a) Isaiah b) Jeremiah
c) Ezekiel
148. What is contained in Micah 5?
149. Who did Nahum prophecy against?
150. In what OT book is the quote, "The just shall live by faith?"
151. Zephaniah prophesied about many countries. Which country was he most concerned about?
152. Which governor of Judah did Haggai record, "I will take you, ____________​

"I will take you, ____________

My servant, the son of Shealtiel, says the Lord, and will make you a signet ring; for I have chosen you says the Lord.?"

153. Who had a vision of the High Priest being ridiculed by Satan?
154. In what OT book is this quote: "Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit says the Lord?"
155. Malachi chapter 3 prophesies about John the Baptist. T or F.
156. Where are people robbing God in the book of Malachi?​

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[DeaconDean]

New Testament Survey:

160. Name 5 of the 9 characters in the birth narratives of Christ.
161. How many Magi were there? (After you answer the question, look it up and find out).
162. What was Jesus' home town?
163. Why did John Baptize Jesus?
164. Where did Jesus get his human nature from?
165. Who forced Jesus to go into the wilderness to be tempted?
166. What book and chapters do we find the sermon on the mount?
167. How many beatitudes are there?
168. What Gentiles did Jesus become amazed at, because he had more faith than Israel?
169. Who are the 12 disciples?
170. What three disciples made the inner-core?
171. What disciple was the "one whom Jesus loved?"
172. What two groups viciously opposed Jesus?
173. Read Matthew 21:22. Is this true, why or why not?
174. Read Matthew 10:34. What is being expressed here?
175. Read Matthew 13:11-15. How does this affect the universality of the Gospel?
176. Jesus fed 5000 and 4000. T or F?
177. What two figures appeared with Jesus during the transfiguration?
178. What is the importance of Matthew 16 and 18 when applying it to the church?
179. Read Matthew 19:17. Is Jesus not Good? What is being expressed here?
180. Read Matthew 22:13-14. What is being expressed here?
181. Are there greater punishments in hell for greater sin? Or is one sin just as bad as another?
182. Skim Matthew 24. What is the context?
183. Did Judas want to betray Christ? Why or why not?
184. Use a verse from Matthew's gospel which proves the Trinity.
185. What is the purpose of a parable?
186. Jesus cast out demons (Mark 5), can we? Why or why not?
187. Use the Gospel of Mark and prove the doctrine of eternal punishment.
188. Read mark 10:26-27. What is being expressed here?
189. What garden was Jesus arrested?
190. What time of day did Jesus die?
191. What disciple (s) were present at the cross?
192. Of the sayings of the cross, what which impacts you the most and why?
193. who did Luke write his Gospel to?
194. Who was John the Baptist's mother?
195. In Matthew 5 we have a sermon on a mountain, in Luke 6 it is on the plain. Is this a problem with the reliability of the Bible?
196. What woman got up and began household chores after Jesus healed her of a fever?
197. Which disciple walked on water?
198. What is the meaning of the parable of the good Samaritan?
199. ...of the Mustard seed?
200. ...of the Lost Son?
201. ...of the persistent widow?
202. ...of the Pharisee and the tax collector?
203. ...of the parable of the Minas?
204. ...of the wicked vine dressers?
205. What two men tried Jesus?
206. Read Luke 24:45. What is being expressed here?
207. What is an ascension?"
208. What was Jesus' first miracle?
209. Read John 3:3. What is being expressed here?
210. Read John 5:21. What is being expressed here?
211. Read John 6:44, 6:65. How does this relate to the unsaved?
212. Read John 10:11-15. What is being expressed here?
213. Read John 15:16. What is being expressed here?
214. Who is the Comforter? Who is the second Comforter?
215. What does the second Comforter do for us according to Jesus?
216. What is the formal prayer Jesus prayed in John 17?
217. Read John 17:9. What is being expressed here?
218. During the crucifixion, name 3 things which were fulfilled from the OT.
219. Why did John write his Gospel?
220. who wrote the book of Acts?
221. What is the overall picture in Acts?
222. What 2 disciples stand out prominently in the book of Acts?
223. What disciple replaced Judas?
224. At Pentecost the 120 disciples spoke in what language?
225. What does it mean to "break bread?"
226. Read Acts 4:27-28. What is being expressed here?
227. Who is chosen to serve in Acts 6?
228. According to Acts 6, what is the biblical role of elders or ministers in the church?
229. What is a martyr?
230. Two people fell dead at Peter's feet. Who and why?
231. How many missionary journeys did Paul take?
232. Paul was a mentor to what young Pastor (s)?
233. What person did Paul appeal to be tried before?
234. Paul was a a) Tarsians b)Romans c) an apostle d) Jew e) all of the above
f) just b, c, d.
235. How many NT letters did Paul write?

236-281. Since the following are on the epistles, next to each chapter give a brief description of what is in each chapter. This is the "how well do I know the NT" section. (Do not use your Bible for this section.)
Romans 3
Romans 4
Romans 9
Romans 13
1 Cor. 5
1 Cor. 7
1 Cor 12
1 Cor. 13
1 Cor. 14
2 Cor. 2
2 Cor. 8
2 Cor. 12
Gal. 1
Gal. 3
Eph. 1
Eph. 6
Phil. 2
Phil. 4
Col. 3
1 Thess. 5
2 Thess. 2
1 Tim. 3
1 Tim. 4
2 Tim. 4
Titus 1
Philemon 1
Heb. 6
Heb. 7
Heb. 11
James 2
James 3
1 Peter 1
1 Peter 5
2 Peter 2
1 John 1
1 John 4
2 John
3 John
Jude
Revelation 1-4
Rev. 13
Rev. 19
Rev. 20
Rev. 21
282. What epistle did Paul write before he died?
283. Jude and 2 Peter have some identical content. T or F?
284. 1, 2, and 3rd John were written by John the apostle. T or F.
285. Who wrote the book of Jude?
286. What 2 epistles were written by brothers of Jesus?
287. Who do you think wrote Hebrews?
288. What is the Apocrypha?
289. What is Apocalyptic literature?
290. Where did John write Revelation from?
291. Of the 12 disciples, who was not martyred? (Judas does not count)
292. What lost letter of Paul is mentioned in Colossians?
293. Here are a few discrepancies in the bible. (??) One verse says one things, and another seems to contradict. Read them and explain why they are not contradictions.
a) Matthew 20:20 and Mark 10:35
b) Matthew 26:34 and mark 14:30
c) James 1:13 and Genesis 22:1
d) Proverbs 26:4 and Proverbs 26:5
294. What NT book had the most difficulty being accepted into the canon?
295. What 3 languages was the Bible written in?
296. In what year did Moses build the ark?
297. Rest a while then go on to the next section.​

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[DeaconDean]

SECTION 2
Theological Knowledge

Briefly define the following:
Soteriology-
Hamartiology-
Inerrancy
Canonicity-
Trinity-
Providence-
Asiety-
Imago Dei-
Eschatology-
Dichotomy-
Theology proper-
Ecclesiology-
Hypostatic Union-
Pneumatology-
Infallability
Communicable and Incommunicable Attributes-
Omniscience-
Covenant-
Exegesis-
Eisogesis-
Hermeneutics-
General Revelation-
Special Revelation-
Cosmological Argument-
Teleological Argument-
Ontological Argument-
Incomprehensibility Of God-
Infinite-
Transcendence-
Religious Affections-
Sovereignty-
Decree of God-
Free will-
Limited Free will-
Liberty-
Miracles-
Angels-
Demons-
Satan-
Exorcisms-
Doctrines of Grace-
T.U.L.I.P.-
Imputation of Sin-
The Fall-
Total inability-
Original Sin-
Propitiation-
Covenant of Grace-
Covenant of works-
Incarnation-
Impeccability-
Logos-
Virgin Birth-
Definite Atonement-
Expiation
Particular Redemption-
Penal Substitution-
Reconciliation-
Redemption-
Resurrection-
Humiliation of Christ-
Intercession-
Mediator-
OT and NT Priest-
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit-
Baptism in the Holy Spirit-
Holy Spirit-
Son of God-
Father-
Common grace-
Election-
Predestination-
Reprobation-
Foreknowledge of God-
Effectual Calling-
External Calling-
Born Again-
Regeneration-
Conversion-
Faith-
Repentance-
Forensic Justification-
Adoption-
Sanctification-
Hell-
Heaven-
Death-
Glorification-
Spiritual Body-
Invisible Church-
Body of Christ-
Ekklasia-
Excommunication-
Keys of the Kingdom-
Apostle-
Elder-
Disciple-
Deacon-
Pastor-
Officer in the church-
Laying on of hands-
Credo Baptism-
Infant Baptism-
Covenant community-
Lord's Supper-
Worship-
Parousia-
Immanent Return-
Second Coming-
Ammillenialism-
Premillenialism-
Postmillenialism-
Millennium-
Rapture-
Tribulation-
Final Judgment-
New heavens and new earth-
Lordship Salvation-
Regulatory principle-​

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[DeaconDean]

SECTION 3
Deviant Theological Ideas

Define the following deviant ideas, most of which have been condemned by the church through church history at one time or another, and others are just passing trends.

Universalism-
Dictational Theory-
Annihilationism-
Dispensationalism-
Antinomianism-
Purgatory-
Arminianism-
The Mass-
Transubstantiation-
Consubstantiation-
Soul Sleep-
Limbo-
Doceticism-
Perfectionism-
Fatalism-
Dualism-
Deism-
Pelagianism-
Pantheism-
Theistic Evolution-
Evolution-
Arianism-
Monism-​

SECTION 4
Church History
Briefly tell me what you know about the following:

Origen-
Tertullian-
Josephus-
Philo-
Polycarp-
Ignatius of Antioch-
Chrysostem-
Aurelius Augustine of Hippo-
Pelagius-
Pope Leo I-
Pope Innocent III-
Arius-
Synod of Dort-
Thomas Aquinas-
Nicene Creed-
Apostles Creed-
Chalcedonian Creed-
Westminster Confession of Faith-
Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689-
3 Forms of Unity -
Ulrich Zwingli-
Martin Luther-
Diet of Worms-
Erasmas of Rotterdam-
John Wycliffe-
William Tyndale-
John Huss-
John Calvin-
Jonathan Edwards-
John Smyth-
Philadelphia Confession-
Charles Finney-
Jacob Arminias-
John Wesley-
George Whitefield-
Cotton Mather-
Puritanism-
Pilgrim's Progress-
John Bunyan-
B.B. Warfield-
Charles Hodge -
Charles Spurgeon-

What are some differences in these movements?

Methodism-
Presbyterianism-
Southern Baptists-
Reformed Baptists-
Congregationalists-
Charismatics-
Assemblies of God-
Holiness Churches-
Plymouth Brethren-
Roman Catholic-​

SECTION 5
Ethics and Practical Theology-

This is the section to find out "what you would do" in a situation if someone asked you.

1. Lets say a young woman came to you, who was not saved, and confided in you about her "live-in" boyfriend. They are being illicit. Her parents do not know about it and you know the family. The family is not saved either. What would you say to the girl, and would you say something to the family?

2. Would you marry two non-believers? Why or why not?

3. Use your Bible and prove that Abortion is wrong. But you cannot use texts which say that murder is wrong.

4. Use your Bible and prove Euthanasia is wrong.

5. What would you tell a close Christian friend who wanted to marry an unbeliever?

6. Use your Bible to help a young man understand biblical truth who thinks he is a homosexual because "God made him that way."

7. A church member has just been in an accident. There is no brain activity and this person is being kept alive by a machine. The family asks you what they should do. Do you tell them to "pull the plug?"

8. A teen comes to you and asks you about abortion, and if it is wrong. You tell her yes. Then she asks, if abortion is wrong, and its murder, then what about capital punishment?

9. If murder is wrong, why did God command the Israelites, under the leadership of Joshua, to kill the inhabitants of Jericho, including women and children?

10. A person comes to you thinking they have committed the unpardonable sin. they are frantic and scared. What do you tell them?

11. A man come to you for counseling, and asks you to keep what he is about to say between you and him. Do you? Why or why not? What Biblical support (either way) do you give for your answer?

12. A woman tells you her husband is beating her. What is your counsel?

13. A woman comes to you and tells you that her husband says she cannot cut her hair to be too short, since the Bible says "a woman's long hair is her glory." What do you tell her?

14. Three teens stop you after church and tell you how awesome "Friday the 13th part 65" was. What do you say?

15. You are rebuked by "Bob" one Sunday morning for having gone to the movies the night before. Bob says movies are worldly and Christians have no business being in the world. What do you say?

16. Your at a friends home who is in trouble with a violent street gang. The street gang knocks at the door and you open it. They ask if the person is there. You know the person may hurt or even maimed from their confrontation. Do you tell them "Yes" or "No" and why?

17. Is gambling a sin? Why?

18. Some people like to smoke marijuana because all of God's creation is useful for us in the right quantity. What do you say?

19. If the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit for Christians, and people keep telling the Christians community that smoking is a violation of your temple, then what do we do with eating fattening foods?

20. Can elders or deacons be elders or deacons if they have been divorced?

21. Should a woman keep silent in the church as 1 Cor. 14:34 states?

22. Can a woman be a pastor? Why or why not?

23. Another elder invites you to go to his house to play computer games. He starts up the game and you find out it is the game DOOM, or one of the like horror-games. Do you play? Why or why not?

24. A next door neighbor who is not saved invites you to watch a movie. (Let us say you asked what the movie was, but the neighbor wanted to keep it a surprise.) You go over and find out that when the movie starts, it is an adult movie. What do you do?

25. A six year old just found out that his grandma died. He wants to know what "being dead" means. What do you say?

26. A visitor comes to church and approaches you after the service. He claims to be a prophet, and then tells you that you need to improve your life in a variety of ways which he explains, and ends his list by a "Thus says the Lord." What do you say?

27. During prayer in worship, a visitor begins speaking "in tongues." As an elder, what do you do?

28. A brother in the congregation does not believe in the deity of the Holy Spirit. He thinks the Holy Spirit is lesser than the Father and Son. And the Son is lesser than the Father. He has been teaching Sunday School for 2 years. What do you do.

29. A 20 year old woman and a 23 year old man come to you say that they have been living together for 3 years in a common law marriage. What do you say?

30. A husband and wife lose a child in a car accident. The child was 4 years old. Using the Scriptures, if they asked you where their child was, what would you say?

31. Bob is not a Christian, and everyone in the church knows this by his lifestyle. He has even told people he did not believe in God. He then dies one day in a plane crash. His wife is a devout Christian. She believes he is in heaven because God is all loving and forgiving. She comes to you to be assured of Bob's resting place. What do you say?​

A printable version of this can be found here: link

These are the types of questions you will be expected to answer if you are to be a pastor.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[JacobHall86]

One person told me they didn't see the calling. Another told me that they didn't see me being a pastor of 'any' church. Others had said I have disrespected the GOD that I LIVE by. Some said because Jesus spoke to me, I was not scripturally smart.

Crazy. This is crazy. You are suppose to support and help someone. I asked many questions and didn't get any answers, rather butchered by ...My own people...Thanks. I was going to give my testimony to our interrim pastor, and speak it to the church. But now, from what I understand. I guess people will think I'm a nutjob because God spoke to me.

For what's it's worth. I read Charles Stanley's How to hear from God. Isn't he Baptist anyway. God spoke to Abraham. God spoke to Paul. God speaks.

Maybe you reevaluate yourselves if you don't think God is able to speak, confirm, direct, and coordinate His will on Earth through speaking to His people.

Thanks anyways everyone. I guess I will give up on SBC because I read my Bible.

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What God will tell people is not contrary to his word. You got a mixed signal.