I am AMAZED......

[seebs]

Today at 08:52 PM Job_38 said this in Post #62 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=680608#post680608)

Thats a pretty big assertion, anything to back it up with.

Er. It's a matter of well-documented historical fact? That would be a good starting point. Books have been written about the invention of literalism as a "solution" to difficult theological problems. I've asked a number of times, and no one has yet come up with a single example of anything dating back before, say, 1870, which assumes or asserts word-for-word inerrancy in the sense accepted by modern Fundamentalist groups.

http://cdsp.edu/~mgrau/courses/hsst2189/fundamentalism.htm

This is a course study on modern theology, pointing out the invention of word-for-word inerrancy in the late 19th century.

It's a modern invention developed in response to social changes; it is not rooted in the Bible, but in a desire for the Bible to be more convenient than it is.

 

[seebs]

Oh, I found a better source:

http://www.graceunknown.com/Apologia/Scientia/NaiveLiteralism.html

More history there.

 

[Job_38]

Ok. I am gonna print it, cause I don't have time to read it right now.

 

[Auntie]

Yesterday at 07:35 PM jseek21 said this in Post #51 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=680424#post680424)


And from this time forward let us use Scripture and Biblical Truths to examine these ideas, and not man-made examples such as planes.

Whoa there, Jseek. People are free to choose their own posting styles, don't tell people how to think, please. I happen to like Susan's post, she seems to be following Jesus style very nicely.


par•a•ble \"par-e-bel\ n :
a simple story told to illustrate a moral truth

 

[seebs]

Today at 02:27 AM Auntie said this in Post #65 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=681185#post681185)
Whoa there, Jseek. People are free to choose their own posting styles, don't tell people how to think, please. I happen to like Susan's post, she seems to be following Jesus style very nicely.

par•a•ble \"par-e-bel\ n :
a simple story told to illustrate a moral truth

Seconded! Her example was well-argued.

When Christ taught, He used parables. He didn't always use parables you could have found in the Old Testament; He used parables that His listeners could directly relate to and understand, because they were more effective ways to communicate.

I think Susan's example was well-chosen, and got her point across admirably.

 

[Auntie]

Today at 02:35 AM seebs said this in Post #66 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=681188#post681188)

Seconded! Her example was well-argued.

When Christ taught, He used parables. He didn't always use parables you could have found in the Old Testament; He used parables that His listeners could directly relate to and understand, because they were more effective ways to communicate.

I think Susan's example was well-chosen, and got her point across admirably.

Amen, bro seebs. Susan did a great job.

 

[Job_38]

Seeing that she is not Christ, she should stick with what is concrete. What she said is right, but it did not even address the reality of what we are talking about.

 

[Auntie]

Today at 07:39 AM Job_38 said this in Post #68 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=681370#post681370)

Seeing that she is not Christ, she should stick with what is concrete.

"She should"???? Who are you to tell anyone that???


I started this thread as something light, it was not meant to become a serious thread. And now that it is turning into attacks on another person, I think it should be closed. Jseek can start his own thread, if he is so inclined.




MODERATORS: Please close this thread, thank you.

 

[jseek21]

Today at 01:27 AM Auntie said this in Post #65 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=681185#post681185)

Whoa there, Jseek. People are free to choose their own posting styles, don't tell people how to think, please. I happen to like Susan's post, she seems to be following Jesus style very nicely.


par•a•ble \"par-e-bel\ n :
a simple story told to illustrate a moral truth

We do not have to speak in parables. Human wisdom is really no wisdom at all. We must compare all things to Scripture (Acts 17:10-15, deut 18.). We have been given God's Word and should use this to examine all things.
It is a pet peeve of mine when people are shown Scripture yet do not react to it but instead reply with emotions and human ideas, instead of Biblical Truth.
Use parables if you must.
But remember how Jesus used parables. Each parable was backed by Scripture.

 

[jseek21]

Today at 12:59 PM Auntie said this in Post #69 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=682013#post682013)

"She should"???? Who are you to tell anyone that???


I started this thread as something light, it was not meant to become a serious thread. And now that it is turning into attacks on another person, I think it should be closed. Jseek can start his own thread, if he is so inclined.




MODERATORS: Please close this thread, thank you.

I believe that Job was not saying that this person is not a Christian but she isn't Christ Himself, i.e. she isn't God. Anyone can say that it's true.

But I agree with what you say and respect your assertion, as you were the one who started this thread. I will open a cross thread to this, available at: http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37283

Please continue the serious conversation there to respect Aunties request.


-Dr. Jonathan Morgan

 

[Auntie]

Today at 02:03 PM jseek21 said this in Post #70 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=682016#post682016)

We do not have to speak in parables. Human wisdom is really no wisdom at all. We must compare all things to Scripture (Acts 17:10-15, deut 18.). We have been given God's Word and should use this to examine all things.
It is a pet peeve of mine when people are shown Scripture yet do not react to it but instead reply with emotions and human ideas, instead of Biblical Truth.
Use parables if you must.
But remember how Jesus used parables. Each parable was backed by Scripture.

Jseek,

You are free to express your beliefs in whatever manner you wish, as long as you don't break any forum rules. Equally, the other members of this board are also free to do their own posting in the manner and style they choose. You may disagree with a poster's doctrines, but you may NOT instruct another member how to post their own thoughts, or what style they use to communicate the expression of their beliefs.

 

[Auntie]

Today at 02:14 PM jseek21 said this in Post #71 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=682026#post682026)

I believe that Job was not saying that this person is not a Christian but she isn't Christ Himself, i.e. she isn't God.

His assertion was that Susan shouldn't use parables, as was yours.

We don't have to be "God" to use a parable as a method to communicate. Jesus is our teacher, and the fact that He used parables is enough for me. Jesus is well pleased when we follow his example of teaching.

 

[sklippstein]

Today at 03:39 PM Auntie said this in Post #73

His assertion was that Susan shouldn't use parables, as was yours.

We don't have to be "God" to use a parable as a method to communicate. Jesus is our teacher, and the fact that He used parables is enough for me. Jesus is well pleased when we follow his example of teaching.

Amen Auntie

 

[Job_38]

Today at 08:39 PM Auntie said this in Post #73

His assertion was that Susan shouldn't use parables, as was yours.

We don't have to be "God" to use a parable as a method to communicate. Jesus is our teacher, and the fact that He used parables is enough for me. Jesus is well pleased when we follow his example of teaching.

 I agree, and its not false. But, we must also makes sure what we used is not violating scripture. Hers was not, but it had no basis within Gods Word. Thats all we mean.

 

 No offense.

 

[jseek21]

I never said we do not have the freedom to use parables, only that to make a true assertions a person must use a true source. As any english major knows, a research paper must be fully documented and sourced. Our source, as Christians, is the infalible Word of God. Thus if you are to fully show a belief to be true it should be in line with Biblical facts.
Also my assertion was proved true by that you did not even mention a response to the verses I gave. Spurgeon, Lewis, and Edwards must be rolling in their graves.

 

[Susan]

Hey, I didn't mean to get everyone mad at each other, sorry and I certainly did not mean to demean the Bible as the true and inspired Word of God.

Now, I have other things to do than argue. Just remember, even slime can be impervious to flaming.

Hopefully we can meet again on better terms sometime.

 

[Auntie]

Today at 04:20 PM jseek21 said this in Post #76 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=682251#post682251)

Also my assertion was proved true by that you did not even mention a response to the verses I gave. Spurgeon, Lewis, and Edwards must be rolling in their graves.

Who is the "you" you are referring to? Me??

 

[jseek21]

Today at 03:32 PM Susan said this in Post #77 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=682278#post682278)

Hey, I didn't mean to get everyone mad at each other, sorry and I certainly did not mean to demean the Bible as the true and inspired Word of God.

Now, I have other things to do than argue. Just remember, even slime can be impervious to flaming.

Hopefully we can meet again on better terms sometime.

You did not Susan. I know you just wanted to use an example. It's the idea of human wisdom over Biblical Truth being discussed here, not your statement. God bless!

 

[Auntie]

Today at 04:20 PM jseek21 said this in Post #76 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=682251#post682251)

Spurgeon, Lewis, and Edwards must be rolling in their graves.

As a result of this thread? I kind of doubt that.

 

[jseek21]

No, as the result of the degeneration of Christian society from giving honest answers to honest questions and answering through Biblical truth to using man's precepts, ideals, and philosophies to answer questions of spiritualality.