Hypothetical: Creationism becomes standard in science classes

[AV1611VET]

There is no theory of Intelligent Design ...

Disclaimer: Intelligent Design proponents are not responsible for what is not found on the contents page of scientific journals.

 

[Widlast]

The point of this thread is to ask those who want creationism taught in schools how they would go about doing it, and which version they would choose. Because they seem to have little in common when it comes to their specific views, other than opposition to evolution. So, hypothetically, if evolution wasn't even an issue, is there even any consensus or standard for how to teach creationism? In public schools, the same thing would have to be taught nationwide. But so many creationists can't agree with each other.



And what if some other version of creationism ends up getting more support?



Say that they come, listen to what you have to say, and then respectfully disagree, and invite you to their church to hear their side of the issue?

I DON"T want Creationism taught in schools. I would prefer that in science classes that they stick to science.

 

[sfs]

Disclaimer: Intelligent Design proponents are not responsible for what is not found on the contents page of scientific journals.

I didn't ask about what was published in scientific journals. I asked what the theory of Intelligent Design was.

 

[AV1611VET]

I DON"T want Creationism taught in schools. I would prefer that in science classes that they stick to science.

Is science class the only class taught in your schools?

Can't Creationism be taught in history class?

Or is it science class or the highway?

 

[AV1611VET]

I didn't ask about what was published in scientific journals. I asked what the theory of Intelligent Design was.

I thought Mr. Lane just said there was no theory of Intelligent Design.

If it isn't a theory, then it must be something else.

Like ... you know ... a faith-based belief?

 

[Skreeper]

Is science class the only class taught in your schools?

Can't Creationism be taught in history class?

Or is it science class or the highway?

Aren't the historical parts of the bible already taught in school? At least here in Germany they are. The problem starts when you want to treat the supernatural claims as true and want to teach them as fact.

 

[AV1611VET]

The problem starts when you want to treat the supernatural claims as true and want to teach them as fact.

No ... the problem ... (as I see it anyway) ... starts when people start saying Creationism doesn't belong in school because it doesn't belong in science class.

What's next? banning the diagramming of sentences because it isn't taught in gym class?

 

[Skreeper]

No ... the problem ... (as I see it anyway) ... starts when people start saying Creationism doesn't belong in school because it doesn't belong in science class.

What's next? banning the diagramming of sentences because it isn't taught in gym class?

I would be okay if creationism was taught in some form of mysticism class.
But then not only the christian creation story should be taught. Maybe a comparison between many different creation stories

 

[AV1611VET]

I would be okay if creationism was taught in some form of mysticism class.

How about letting creationists ... not unbelievers ... decide where it should be taught?

But then not only the christian creation story should be taught. Maybe a comparison between many different creation stories

Those can stay out of school altogether.

 

[Mike Lane]

Can't Creationism be taught in history class?

If it was we would have to include Batman & Robin, Superman, Spider man and the Green Lantern, in fact there is even more reason to include those in a history class because we at least know who wrote them and when.

 

[Skreeper]

How about letting creationists ... not unbelievers ... decide where it should be taught?

As long as it is not taught as fact I don't care if you call it the "Goody Feely Class".

Those can stay out of school altogether.

Why should the christian creation story be treated any different then the other countless stories from other religions?

 

[AV1611VET]

If it was we would have to include Batman & Robin, Superman, Spider man and the Green Lantern,

... I love these mature, intelligent conversations!

 

[AV1611VET]

As long as it is not taught as fact I don't care if you call it the "Goody Feely Class".

Do you want it out of school altogether, or don't you?

Why should the christian creation story be treated any different then the other countless stories from other religions?

Do you really think you need to ask that?

Have you ever heard of diabolical mimicry or diabolical plagiarism?

Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

 

[Skreeper]

Do you want it out of school altogether, or don't you?

I'm fine when they teach it in school only if they don't claim it is fact and other religions are not excluded.

 

[Mike Lane]

... I love these mature, intelligent conversations!

So do I.

 

[Speedwell]

Can't Creationism be taught in history class?

It should be taught in a Comparative religions class. It might also have a place in modern US history as a cultural phenomenon.

Or is it science class or the highway?

That's apparently how the Creationists feel about it.

 

[sfs]

I thought Mr. Lane just said there was no theory of Intelligent Design.

Quite possibly he did. Have I given any impression of caring what Mr. Lane thinks about the subject?

If it isn't a theory, then it must be something else.

Like ... you know ... a faith-based belief?

Well, yeah. But since the subject of this thread (you know, the one we're posting in) is the teaching of creationism in science classes, and since the person I was responding to advocated the teaching of intelligent design there, the theory of intelligent design would seem to be an appropriate thing to ask for. As in, just what do you propose to teach about ID in a science classroom?

 

[Speedwell]

The other problem which comes to mind is, what do you do about the teachers?

This is not so much of a problem in the Bible Belt where teachers reflect the religious beliefs of the community at large (as they do elsewhere as well) and where biblical Creationism is sometimes taught in public school science classes anyway--there being insufficient regular Christians or other non-creationists to make a federal case of it.

But what about the rest of the country? Where are you going to get science teachers well enough schooled in YEC Protestantism to teach the doctrine and answer questions about it?

 

[Mike Lane]

Why should the christian creation story be treated any different then the other countless stories from other religions?

Do you really think you need to ask that?

What is the difference? there is the same amount of evidence for all of them.

 

[Strathos]

I DON"T want Creationism taught in schools. I would prefer that in science classes that they stick to science.

I think you're missing the point.