Hypothetical: Creationism becomes standard in science classes

[Strathos]

I understand the embedded age concept, I just don't agree with it, as it would imply not only false age but false history, which would make God a deceiver.

 

[AV1611VET]

I understand the embedded age concept, I just don't agree with it,

-- then --

... as it would imply not only false age but false history, which would make God a deceiver.

Uh-huh.

And I'm Genghis Khan.

Embedded Age is: maturity without history.

Without history ≠ false history.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

-- then --Uh-huh.

And I'm Genghis Khan.

Embedded Age is: maturity without history.

Without history ≠ false history.

But the Earth shows obvious history. So God either is a liar or He didn't do what you claimed He has done.

 

[CLAVDIVS]

This is what I said, with emphasis:
Whereas Embedded Age says the universe was created millions ... if not billions ... of years OLD; but only created 6000 years AGO.

Apologies. I thought you said "ago" both times.

I still don't understand. When people talk about how old something is, they mean how long since it started to exist e.g. when it was created, born, whatever. So, to most people, if you say "it was created 6000 years ago" that's exactly the same as saying "it is 6000 years old".

You must mean something different by the word "old" when you say the world is millions of years old.

If you don't mean old = how long since it first existed ...
then old = how long since ........ what?

 

[AV1611VET]

But the Earth shows obvious history.

Would raisin bread, if it was created ex nihilo?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Would raisin bread, if it was created ex nihilo?

Nonsensical challenge.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nonsensical challenge.

Then just call me Genghis Khan.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Then just call me Genghis Khan.

No I will not.

 

[Larniavc]

1000 times in a row is probable ..

Not only probable but certain.

The lottery has been won 1000 times.

 

[4x4toy]

Not only probable but certain.

The lottery has been won 1000 times.

Not by the same person with the same numbers . Which is more probable than abiogenesis or the DNA, cell structure and function of an "alleged simple"living single cell occurring on it's own ..

 

[Larniavc]

Not by the same person with the same numbers . Which is more probable than abiogenesis or the DNA, cell structure and function of an "alleged simple"living single cell occurring on it's own ..

Then you've answered your own question: a single organism does not undergo all of the changes in evolution.

So individual humans or cells only win once but at the population level (where we see evolution happening) they win every time.

And thus evolution takes place!

 

[Larniavc]

Evolution is a theory that tries to tell me that a finch with enough time could transform into a Galapagos Tortoise or vice/versa ..

No it doesn't.

Why would you even think that? That is not how things evolve?

That's a very basic error about ToE you have their, friend.

 

[Larniavc]

ID can be seen in everything formed including the irreducible mouse trap

A mouse trap is not irreducibly complex.

 

[AV1611VET]

A mouse trap is not irreducibly complex.

What is it then? a Rube Goldberg machine?

What piece could you remove from it and still catch a mouse?

(Please answer specifically.)

 

[Larniavc]

Who died for Santa Clause?

Father Christmas died in the 1850s when the American Santa took over.

 

[Larniavc]

What is it then? a Rube Goldberg machine?

What piece could you remove from it and still catch a mouse?

(Please answer specifically.)

It does not need to be a mousetrap.

If you remove the catch it is still a fully functional paperweight.

To put it another way: the current use of the apparatuses does not need to be the same as a former use.

Such as a wasp stinger used to be simply an ovipositor, rather than a weapon of bi-coloured aggression.

 

[AV1611VET]

Father Christmas died in the 1850s when the American Santa took over.

My question was a reference to martyrdom.

 

[4x4toy]

Then you've answered your own question: a single organism does not undergo all of the changes in evolution.

So individual humans or cells only win once but at the population level (where we see evolution happening) they win every time.

And thus evolution takes place!

Oh, there's more numbers and odds from there foreward to multiply , but with an IQ of 152 or more I'm sure you can process it all no problem ..

 

[AV1611VET]

It does not need to be a mousetrap.

If you remove the catch it is still a fully functional paperweight.

Nice.

No wonder Europe almost died of the Bubonic plague.

Their scientists robbed mousetraps to make paperweights.

75,000,000 people died because scientists had to keep their treeware from blowing off their desks.

 

[Larniavc]

Oh, there's more numbers and odds from there foreward to multiply , but with an IQ of 152 or more I'm sure you can process it all no problem ..

Eh?

If you can't respond that's okay.

It's fine.