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Even in your example, people could rightly say I helped save that guy's life.
No one is arguing that Jesus deserve 100% of the Glory. So often we are the tools He uses...making us participants.
So when if I pray for a non-believer and they later become Christian, should I then have hymns sung to me in a worship service? Should people ask me to save them?
I totally understand where you are coming from, but hymns like what was shown in the OP go way over the top.
What do you mean?
That's just one version of the hymn, the wording can change based on who has either written it or revised it.
So when if I pray for a non-believer and they later become Christian, should I then have hymns sung to me in a worship service? Should people ask me to save them?
I totally understand where you are coming from, but hymns like what was shown in the OP go way over the top.
All right. Does that mean you can appreciate the reservations that some Christians have about this particular version?
I was a little saddened by seeing that line as well. It needs to disappear. I am very aware that the RC/EO do not worship Mary, but that line makes it sound like they do. Mary does not save. That's a basic belief among all Christians.
Again, that would simply be a wording concern. The Liturgy does saves By the intercessions of the Theotokos, Savior save us. .
This is just a few sections of the Small Paraklesis to the Theotokos(Virgin Mary), and I know that some feel that hymns like these are either Unbiblical or even Blasphemous to some extent. I've always wondered about this, and felt that General Theology would be the best place to get thoughts and opinions.Most Holy Theotokos save us.
Assaults of the passions have shaken me,
My soul to its limits
Has been filled with much despair;
Bring peace, O Maiden, in the calmness,
Of your own Son and your God, all‑blameless One.
Glory to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
To God and the Savior you've given birth;
I ask you, O Virgin,
From the dangers deliver me;
For now I run to you for refuge,
With both my soul and my reasoning.
Now and forever, and to the ages of ages. Amen.
Diseased is the body and the soul;
Deem me truly worthy
Of divine guidance and your care;
For you alone are God's Mother,
As the good and the birthgiver of the Good.
----------
O Lord, I have heard of
the wondrous mystery of Your salvation;
I have contemplated all Your works
And I have glorified Your great divinity.
Most Holy Theotokos, save us.
Still the darkest of passions,
Calm the sea of errors
In your great peacefulness;
It was you who bore the guiding Lord,
And you who are the blessed bride of God.
Most Holy Theotokos save us.
Your depth of compassion
Grant unto me
As one beseeching you;
You have carried the Compassionate
The Savior of those praising you.
Glory to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit[bless and do not curse]
We are thankful for all the gifts
Which we have been given
by you the Spotless One;
And to you, we sing a hymn of praise,
Knowing you to be the Mother of God.
Now and forever and to the ages of ages. Amen.
As a hope and foundation,
And a wall unshaken
Of our salvation;
Having you, the all‑lauded One,
From afflictions do you rescue us.
What do you see as unbiblical about it?I have honestly never even known hymns like this existed.
With all due respect, I think a hymn such as this is very unbiblical.
That's probably a point worth considering, but the Hymn stands on its own in any case. We can't say that what it states isn't to be taken at face value only because there is some wording elsewhere, such as in the liturgy, that is different.
What do you see as unbiblical about it?
Most Holy Theotokos save us.
Assaults of the passions have shaken me,
My soul to its limits
Has been filled with much despair;
Bring peace, O Maiden, in the calmness,
Of your own Son and your God, all‑blameless One.
Glory to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
To God and the Savior you've given birth;
I ask you, O Virgin,
From the dangers deliver me;
For now I run to you for refuge,
With both my soul and my reasoning.
Now and forever, and to the ages of ages. Amen.
Diseased is the body and the soul;
Deem me truly worthy
Of divine guidance and your care;
For you alone are God's Mother,
As the good and the birthgiver of the Good.
----------
O Lord, I have heard of
the wondrous mystery of Your salvation;
I have contemplated all Your works
And I have glorified Your great divinity.
Most Holy Theotokos, save us.
Still the darkest of passions,
Calm the sea of errors In your great peacefulness;
It was you who bore the guiding Lord,
And you who are the blessed bride of God.
Most Holy Theotokos save us.
Your depth of compassion
Grant unto me
As one beseeching you;
You have carried the Compassionate
The Savior of those praising you.
Glory to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit[bless and do not curse]
We are thankful for all the gifts
Which we have been given
by you the Spotless One;
And to you, we sing a hymn of praise,
Knowing you to be the Mother of God.
Now and forever and to the ages of ages. Amen.
As a hope and foundation,
And a wall unshaken
Of our salvation;
Having you, the all‑lauded One,
From afflictions do you rescue us.
Originally Posted by Albion
Most Holy Theotokos save us.
Assaults of the passions have shaken me,
My soul to its limits
Has been filled with much despair;
Bring peace, O Maiden, in the calmness,
Of your own Son and your God, all‑blameless One.
Glory to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
To God and the Savior you've given birth;
I ask you, O Virgin,
From the dangers deliver me;
For now I run to you for refuge,
With both my soul and my reasoning.
Now and forever, and to the ages of ages. Amen.
Diseased is the body and the soul;
Deem me truly worthy
Of divine guidance and your care;
For you alone are God's Mother,
As the good and the birthgiver of the Good.
----------
O Lord, I have heard of
the wondrous mystery of Your salvation;
I have contemplated all Your works
And I have glorified Your great divinity.
Most Holy Theotokos, save us.
Still the darkest of passions,
Calm the sea of errors In your great peacefulness;
It was you who bore the guiding Lord,
And you who are the blessed bride of God.
Most Holy Theotokos save us.
Your depth of compassion
Grant unto me
As one beseeching you;
You have carried the Compassionate
The Savior of those praising you.
Glory to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit[bless and do not curse]
We are thankful for all the gifts
Which we have been given
by you the Spotless One;
And to you, we sing a hymn of praise,
Knowing you to be the Mother of God.
Now and forever and to the ages of ages. Amen.
As a hope and foundation,
And a wall unshaken
Of our salvation;
Having you, the all‑lauded One,
From afflictions do you rescue us.
I was about to post almost the identical thing you did! How freaky is that?I'm interested to hear your thoughts on the highlighted parts.
Most Holy Theotokos save us.
Assaults of the passions have shaken me,
My soul to its limits
Has been filled with much despair;
Bring peace, O Maiden, in the calmness,
Of your own Son and your God, all‑blameless One.
Glory to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
To God and the Savior you've given birth;
I ask you, O Virgin,
From the dangers deliver me;
For now I run to you for refuge,
With both my soul and my reasoning.
Now and forever, and to the ages of ages. Amen.
Diseased is the body and the soul;
Deem me truly worthy
Of divine guidance and your care;
For you alone are God's Mother,
As the good and the birthgiver of the Good.
----------
O Lord, I have heard of
the wondrous mystery of Your salvation;
I have contemplated all Your works
And I have glorified Your great divinity.
Most Holy Theotokos, save us.
Still the darkest of passions,
Calm the sea of errors
In your great peacefulness;
It was you who bore the guiding Lord,
And you who are the blessed bride of God.
Most Holy Theotokos save us.
Your depth of compassion
Grant unto me
As one beseeching you;
You have carried the Compassionate
The Savior of those praising you.
Glory to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit[bless and do not curse]
We are thankful for all the gifts
Which we have been given
by you the Spotless One;
And to you, we sing a hymn of praise,
Knowing you to be the Mother of God.
Now and forever and to the ages of ages. Amen.
As a hope and foundation,
And a wall unshaken
Of our salvation;
Having you, the all‑lauded One,
From afflictions do you rescue us.
I'm interested to hear your thoughts on the highlighted parts.
I was about to post almost the identical thing you did! How freaky is that?
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I was about to post almost the identical thing you did! How freaky is that?
Quit confusing me!!Who, me or Albion?
What do you see as unbiblical about it?
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