Human Evolution

[anyathesword]

Because what you believe isn't the Truth™. That's precisely why.

And why not?

 

[PsychoSarah]

It would not be my place to say they are true Christian or not.

I'd say they need to reread the Bible completely to see if Genesis Chapter 1 is written as a myth or not.

And they would need to explain why animals don't participate in Church and are not worried about death, the afterlife, walking with Jesus, etc.

Why do people need to explain themselves to you or anyone else when it comes to their beliefs? I could completely ignore any challenges to my secular views and still have my own personal justifications for them remain intact. I don't have to explain myself, I just choose to.

 

[bhsmte]

It would not be my place to say they are true Christian or not.

I'd say they need to reread the Bible completely to see if Genesis Chapter 1 is written as a myth or not.

And they would need to explain why animals don't participate in Church and are not worried about death, the afterlife, walking with Jesus, etc.

What if the reason they believe Genesis is not literal is because they state they have examined the bible thoroughly and also have examined the evidence for evolution and have concluded genesis is not literal?

Again, since most Christians worldwide are believers in evolution, what is your opinion of these types of Christians?

 

[PsychoSarah]

And why not?

Hey Anya, have you read the "banned" biblical texts? They are still scripture, but those that collected the other books together in the bible felt that it was best they were not included in that collection, although they are still scripture.

 

[anyathesword]

Why do people need to explain themselves to you or anyone else when it comes to their beliefs? I could completely ignore any challenges to my secular views and still have my own personal justifications for them remain intact. I don't have to explain myself, I just choose to.

And when did I say they need to explain themselves to me?

 

[Loudmouth]

And why not?

If you had "Truth", with a capital T, it would not be contradicted by the facts of reality.

 

[driewerf]

It's to be able to refute it later and to be more knowledgeable!!

And you will fail at that.

Anyathesword, do you really think that you can come up with a valid argument against the ToE without a thorough knowledge of it?

At best you will convince no one. At worst (from you perspectibe) you will push people away from Christ, confirm the (false) view that christians are anti-science.

 

[PsychoSarah]

And when did I say they need to explain themselves to me?

Uh, I quoted it before my comment, you can read it right there.

 

[selfinflikted]

And why not?

If you had "Truth", with a capital T, it would not be contradicted by the facts of reality.

^ That.

 

[driewerf]

Me too! And I will be sick to see my children Learning lies.

Make sure your children don't learn anything of the following sciences:

astronomy, geology, biology, embryology, genetics, biochemistry, general relativity, quantum physics, spectrosopy, cytology, histology, geophysics, plate tectonics, planetary sciences, dendrology, glaciology, archeology, cosmology, astrophysics, medecins, sedimentology, hydrology, climatology, oceanography, orogenesis.

They might encounter some unbiblical 'lies'.

 

[selfinflikted]

Make sure your children don't learn anything of the folowing sciences:

astronomy, geology, biology, embryology, genetics, biochemistry, general relativity, quantum physics, spectrosopy, cytology, histology, geophysics, tectonics, planetary sciences, dendrology, glaciology, archeology, cosmology, astrophysics, medecins, sedimentology, hydrology, climatology.

They might encounter some unbiblical 'lies'.

Probably best to homeschool them.

 

[anyathesword]

•Evolution is contrary to natural laws (without exception) whereas creation is consistent with natural laws—for example, creation is consistent with the laws of thermodynamics and law of biogenesis.
•There are no known biological processes for evolution to higher levels of organization and complexity—mutations are overwhelmingly degenerative and none are “uphill” (that is, unequivocally beneficial) in the sense of adding new genetic information to the gene pool.
•Geologic landforms and sedimentary features are completely consistent with a worldwide flood as described in the Book of Genesis.
•Enormous limestone formations, huge coal and oil formations, and immense underground salt layers are indicative of a worldwide flood—not slow and gradual processes over billions of years. Such features are satisfactorily explained by a worldwide flood and known geophysical and geochemical processes.
•A worldwide flood as described in Genesis 6–8 is within the boundaries of known geophysics—see phase diagram in chapter 4 and Pangaea Flood Video at CreationScienceToday.com.
•There is no credible technique for establishing the age of sedimentary rock—fossil dating used to establish the age of sedimentary rock suffers from circular reasoning and guesswork, all based on the assumption of evolution.
•The standard geologic column with transitional creatures evolving toward more complex forms, as depicted in most science textbooks, is utterly fictitious and misleading, and does not represent the real world. In reality, it perfectly represents the aftermath of a worldwide flood.
•There are no transitional fossils or living forms—there is not one single example of evolution! Evolutionists look for “the” missing link—ironically, they are in desperate search for just one! But there should be billions of examples of transitional forms with transitional structures if evolution were true, but there are none. The bottom line, evolution has never been observed within fossils or living populations.
•Contrary to popular belief, evidence indicates that early man was intelligent and highly skilled with an advanced social structure. There is also evidence suggesting their belief in the existence of an afterlife.
•Soft tissues and traces of blood cells have been found in dinosaur fossils supposedly 70 to 250 million years old. (Soft tissues and red blood cells have relatively short life spans.)
•Carbon-14 has been found in coal and diamonds supposedly hundreds of millions of years old. (C-14 has a relatively short life-span.)
•Radioisotope dating suffers from multiple unprovable assumptions—the technique is “fatally flawed”—yet scientists contend as fact what they cannot prove.
•Abundant daughter isotopes are indicative of accelerated nuclear decay associated with creation (expansion, stretching out, or acceleration of the universe from an extremely hot, dense phase when matter and energy were concentrated) and a worldwide flood with massive restructuring of the earth’s lithosphere, not slow and gradual processes over billions of years.
•Evidences of accelerated nuclear decay in igneous rocks found worldwide are helium in zircon crystals, radiohalos and fission tracks, and rapid magnetic field reversals and decay.
•Over a hundred geochronometers indicate a young earth and universe.
Creation Science Today - Scientific evidence for creation

 

[Loudmouth]

•Evolution is contrary to natural laws (without exception) whereas creation is consistent with natural laws—for example, creation is consistent with the laws of thermodynamics and law of biogenesis.
•There are no known biological processes for evolution to higher levels of organization and complexity—mutations are overwhelmingly degenerative and none are “uphill” (that is, unequivocally beneficial) in the sense of adding new genetic information to the gene pool.
•Geologic landforms and sedimentary features are completely consistent with a worldwide flood as described in the Book of Genesis.
•Enormous limestone formations, huge coal and oil formations, and immense underground salt layers are indicative of a worldwide flood—not slow and gradual processes over billions of years. Such features are satisfactorily explained by a worldwide flood and known geophysical and geochemical processes.
•A worldwide flood as described in Genesis 6–8 is within the boundaries of known geophysics—see phase diagram in chapter 4 and Pangaea Flood Video at CreationScienceToday.com.
•There is no credible technique for establishing the age of sedimentary rock—fossil dating used to establish the age of sedimentary rock suffers from circular reasoning and guesswork, all based on the assumption of evolution.
•The standard geologic column with transitional creatures evolving toward more complex forms, as depicted in most science textbooks, is utterly fictitious and misleading, and does not represent the real world. In reality, it perfectly represents the aftermath of a worldwide flood.
•There are no transitional fossils or living forms—there is not one single example of evolution! Evolutionists look for “the” missing link—ironically, they are in desperate search for just one! But there should be billions of examples of transitional forms with transitional structures if evolution were true, but there are none. The bottom line, evolution has never been observed within fossils or living populations.
•Contrary to popular belief, evidence indicates that early man was intelligent and highly skilled with an advanced social structure. There is also evidence suggesting their belief in the existence of an afterlife.
•Soft tissues and traces of blood cells have been found in dinosaur fossils supposedly 70 to 250 million years old. (Soft tissues and red blood cells have relatively short life spans.)
•Carbon-14 has been found in coal and diamonds supposedly hundreds of millions of years old. (C-14 has a relatively short life-span.)
•Radioisotope dating suffers from multiple unprovable assumptions—the technique is “fatally flawed”—yet scientists contend as fact what they cannot prove.
•Abundant daughter isotopes are indicative of accelerated nuclear decay associated with creation (expansion, stretching out, or acceleration of the universe from an extremely hot, dense phase when matter and energy were concentrated) and a worldwide flood with massive restructuring of the earth’s lithosphere, not slow and gradual processes over billions of years.
•Evidences of accelerated nuclear decay in igneous rocks found worldwide are helium in zircon crystals, radiohalos and fission tracks, and rapid magnetic field reversals and decay.
•Over a hundred geochronometers indicate a young earth and universe.
Creation Science Today - Scientific evidence for creation

Sorry, but you are flat out wrong. Let's take the first one. How is evolution contradicted by thermodynamics? Show us.

 

[sfs]

Ok (remember the evidence is the same as far as fossils and geology go)

Just the INTERPRETATION is different

When it comes to genetics, the interpretation of the evidence isn't different: mostly, creationists simply ignore the evidence. I've certainly never been able to get them to offer creationist interpretations of a wide range of genetic data.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Thermodynamics applies to energy, and doesn't relate to the complexity of organisms even if it was true that, in the incorrect assumptions made by many people that energy is decreasing on earth to a significant extent by the laws of thermodynamics, creatures would either die out completely or develop MORE complex and efficient mechanisms by which to obtain and maintain that energy.

 

[Loudmouth]

Thermodynamics applies to energy, and doesn't relate to the complexity of organisms even if it was true that, in the incorrect assumptions made by many people that energy is decreasing on earth to a significant extent by the laws of thermodynamics, creatures would either die out completely or develop MORE complex and efficient mechanisms by which to obtain and maintain that energy.

If creationist claims are true with regards to thermodynamics, it should [not] be possible for life to keep existing. Just the process of developing into a baby from a single cell is impossible according the creationist thermodynamics. Let's not even get into eating simple sugars that result in complex biomolecules.

 

[PsychoSarah]

If creationist claims are true with regards to thermodynamics, it should be possible for life to keep existing. Just the process of developing into a baby from a single cell is impossible according the creationist thermodynamics. Let's not even get into eating simple sugars that result in complex biomolecules.

It's worse than I thought.

 

[anyathesword]

I don't think you guys realize that EVOLUTION is a belief and SCIENCE is science!

MICROEVOLUTION is OBSERVABLE and it has shown that the species stay in their species!

MACROEVOLUTION is NOT OBSERVABLE and has NOT shown species changing into COMPLETELY NEW species! It is unscientific and has no grounds for it!


And as you all REALLY enjoy talking about my children, why would you all care what they get taught?? They are a process of chemical reactions! Why would they be valuable, this is a teaching taught in the Christian worldview that humans are made in God's image and they hold value. If your kids are just apes, why should you care what they learn?

Besides this I don't want to talk about my kids here, they ARE VALUABLE to me because GOD created them in His IMAGE and has a plan for them!

 

[PsychoSarah]

I don't think you guys realize that EVOLUTION is a belief and SCIENCE is science!

MICROEVOLUTION is OBSERVABLE and it has shown that the species stay in their species!

MACROEVOLUTION is NOT OBSERVABLE and has NOT shown species changing into COMPLETELY NEW species! It is unscientific and has no grounds for it!


And as you all REALLY enjoy talking about my children, why would you all care what they get taught?? They are a process of chemical reactions! Why would they be valuable, this is a teaching taught in the Christian worldview that humans are made in God's image and they hold value. If your kids are just apes, why should you care what they learn?

Besides this I don't want to talk about my kids here, they ARE VALUABLE to me because GOD created them in His IMAGE and has a plan for them!

What if god's plan is that all your children are raped and murdered in front of you?

 

[bhsmte]

It keeps getting better!