Human Evolution

[bhsmte]

When was Genesis written? More than 100 years ago.

Evidence can be interpreted in the way the scientist wants.

Kind of like pareidolia.

These Christians are going with the crowd...

What pressure are the majority of Christians facing to agree with the theory of evolution?

Man has written books for centuries upon centuries, just because they were written before the discovery of evidence to prove them wrong, does not make them right because they were written first, now does it?

If someone wrote in a book 2000 years ago that the earth was flat, would you ignore all the evidence that shows the earth is not flat and still believe what was written 2000 years ago?

 

[anyathesword]

Science is just a way of understanding and describing reality. The spiritual beliefs does not matter when physical science is done.

To conflate the two, or setting them opposed to each other is neither scientifically or theologically sound. This as they operate on totally different frameworks with different ontological bases. As metaphysics is by definition not physics and vice versa conflating the two only leads to error.

There is nothing wrong with having spiritual beliefs but it will create dissonance when those beliefs doesnt correspond to the physical reality.

We are talking about Genesis chapter 1 here. It's clear in saying that everything was made in 6 days seperatly from one another, humans apart from animals.

Then you have "reality" with "emperical" evidence to say we Evolved from animals and the animals Evolved from cells.

Sure, religion and science don't operate on the same level, but it certianly conflicts greatly. Believe it or not the 2 should go together, and not be seperate.

Or Evolution is a huge danger to the Christian faith and the inerrant words of God. IT IS a religion in itself to gain as many followers as possible. It contradicts the very first chapter of Genesis, the words of God as the Creator of this Universe.

 

[lasthero]

Evidence can be interpreted in the way the scientist wants.

You people keep saying this, and it makes less sense everytime.

If evidence could be interpreted any way a person wanted, there would be no point to gathering evidence. The entire reason we gather evidence for anything is to give strength to specific conclusions. If we can't even do that, if all interpretations are equally valid, why bother?

 

[anyathesword]

What pressure are the majority of Christians facing to agree with the theory of evolution?

Man has written books for centuries upon centuries, just because they were written before the discovery of evidence to prove them wrong, does not make them right because they were written first, now does it?

If someone wrote in a book 2000 years ago that the earth was flat, would you ignore all the evidence that shows the earth is not flat and still believe what was written 2000 years ago?

Common Mr. Bhsmte, you are an intelligent fellow.

The pressure is Genesis Chapter 1. GOD created animals apart from humans. It is clear as pie.


24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”



27
So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.


28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.



There is NO room for EVOLUTION!!! Non, zip, nil.

YES, when you come to realize that the Words of God are more truthful than the thoughts and knowledge of man, then you will not be led astray by biased scientists and teachers and whatever.

 

[bhsmte]

We are talking about Genesis chapter 1 here. It's clear in saying that everything was made in 6 days seperatly from one another, humans apart from animals.

Then you have "reality" with "emperical" evidence to say we Evolved from animals and the animals Evolved from cells.

Sure, religion and science don't operate on the same level, but it certianly conflicts greatly. Believe it or not the 2 should go together, and not be seperate.

Or Evolution is a huge danger to the Christian faith and the inerrant words of God. IT IS a religion in itself to gain as many followers as possible. It contradicts the very first chapter of Genesis, the words of God as the Creator of this Universe.

Evolution is only a danger to those who choose to interpret the bible literally. Since most Christians realize the book is loaded with contradictions, mythical stories and it couldn't possibly be taken literally, they don't have the problems you have.

Science never refers to the bible in making discoveries and never has, it has no need to. Yet, religion has had to adjust to the realities of what science has discovered, hence, MOST Christians worldwide have ACCEPTED the theory of evolution as being true.

 

[lasthero]

YES, when you come to realize that the Words of God are more truthful than the thoughts and knowledge of man, then you will not be led astray by biased scientists and teachers and whatever.

If that's how you feel, then why did you make a topic like this in the first place? Again, no matter what anybody tells you, you're going to believe what you believe. You don't actually care about evidence, so why ask for it?

 

[anyathesword]

You people keep saying this, and it makes less sense everytime.

If evidence could be interpreted any way a person wanted, there would be no point to gathering evidence. The entire reason we gather evidence for anything is to give strength to specific conclusions. If we can't even do that, if all interpretations are equally valid, why bother?

I always Wonder this. When scientific articles and research are published, they are peer reviewed, right?

Are they reviewed by qualified CREATIONIST scientists or not? And if not, then why not?

 

[anyathesword]

If that's how you feel, then why did you make a topic like this in the first place? Again, no matter what anybody tells you, you're going to believe what you believe. You don't actually care about evidence, so why ask for it?

It's to be able to refute it later and to be more knowledgeable!!

Are you done asking me the same questions?

YES I am going to believe what I believe, just like you if I give you a Creationist perspective. Do you really care about Creationist's evidence?

DO you want to learn from them??

 

[selfinflikted]

I always Wonder this. When scientific articles and research are published, they are peer reviewed, right?

Are they reviewed by qualified CREATIONIST scientists or not? And if not, then why not?

I don't see what difference it would make if the beliefs of a peer review were creationist, Buddhist, or atheist. If the science is solid, personal beliefs don't factor in. That's not the way it works.

 

[Loudmouth]

I always Wonder this. When scientific articles and research are published, they are peer reviewed, right?

Depends on the journal. Magazines like Scientific American do not peer review articles. Nature and Science do.

Are they reviewed by qualified CREATIONIST scientists or not? And if not, then why not?

No more so than geology research papers are reviewed by Flat Earth scientists.

 

[selfinflikted]

It's to be able to refute it later and to be more knowledgeable!!

Are you done asking me the same questions?

YES I am going to believe what I believe, just like you if I give you a Creationist perspective. Do you really care about Creationist's evidence?

DO you want to learn from them??

Name one piece of Creationist evidence, aside from the Bible.

 

[bhsmte]

Common Mr. Bhsmte, you are an intelligent fellow.

The pressure is Genesis Chapter 1. GOD created animals apart from humans. It is clear as pie.


24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”



27
So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.


28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.



There is NO room for EVOLUTION!!! Non, zip, nil.

YES, when you come to realize that the Words of God are more truthful than the thoughts and knowledge of man, then you will not be led astray by biased scientists and teachers and whatever.

Anya,

I know what Genesis says and what man wrote in Genesis thousands of years ago.

If your priority is to take it literally at all costs, then I would stay away from any scientific information, because it will only cause more of the cognitive dissonance for you we have witnessed on these boards. Do yourself a favor, reduce your stress and avoid anything to do with science.

 

[lasthero]

Are they reviewed by qualified CREATIONIST scientists or not? And if not, then why not?

The smart-aleck answer: Because there is no such thing as a qualified CREATIONIST scientist.

A more simple answer: Seeing as about 99% of relevant scientists accept evolution and aren't CREATIONIST scientists, finding ones to participate in the peer review process of the many thousands of papers that come out each year would be quite difficult. 1% is going to have a tough time checking anything.

Though, to be fair, it's not like creationist scientists have much to do with their time. Can you name any original research that creation scientists are engaged in? Any innovations? Patents? Breakthroughs?

 

[bhsmte]

It's to be able to refute it later and to be more knowledgeable!!

Are you done asking me the same questions?

YES I am going to believe what I believe, just like you if I give you a Creationist perspective. Do you really care about Creationist's evidence?

DO you want to learn from them??

What is the evidence these creationists have? Please be specific.

 

[anyathesword]

Evolution is only a danger to those who choose to interpret the bible literally. Since most Christians realize the book is loaded with contradictions, mythical stories and it couldn't possibly be taken literally, they don't have the problems you have.

Science never refers to the bible in making discoveries and never has, it has no need to. Yet, religion has had to adjust to the realities of what science has discovered, hence, MOST Christians worldwide have ACCEPTED the theory of evolution as being true.

The problem is Genesis chapter 1 is not a myth nor allegorical story or shouldn't be taken literally.

Why would we change and adjust the Truth to man's discovery of his interpretation of life?

I don't have problems, I know evolution is false especially with mankind.

 

[lasthero]

It's to be able to refute it later and to be more knowledgeable!!

Why bother? Again, no matter what, you think you're right about evolution being a lie. Why bother even trying to refute an argument you accept as invalid by default?

YES I am going to believe what I believe, just like you if I give you a Creationist perspective. Do you really care about Creationist's evidence?

I was a creationist, Anya. There was a time that I thought just like you did, more or less. Then I actually tried to look at the evidence from an objective perspective, and it simply did not hold up.

DO you want to learn from them??

There was a time when I did. Now? Now, I'm sick of being lied to.

 

[anyathesword]

What is the evidence these creationists have? Please be specific.

I will post a list tonight...

 

[lasthero]

I will post a list tonight...

Why don't you just tell us the sites you're going to rip it from and save us the time?

 

[lasthero]

Why would we change and adjust the Truth to man's discovery of his interpretation of life?

People realized that Genesis was allegory long before evolution came along, Anya.

 

[anyathesword]

Why bother? Again, no matter what, you think you're right about evolution being a lie. Why bother even trying to refute an argument you accept as invalid by default?



I was a creationist, Anya. There was a time that I thought just like you did, more or less. Then I actually tried to look at the evidence from an objective perspective, and it simply did not hold up.



There was a time when I did. Now? Now, I'm sick of being lied to.

Me too! And I will be sick to see my children Learning lies. Let me ask you this? Is God or man more knowledgable about the history of life?