How to walk in the Spirit.

[BNR32FAN]

Were did i find out that Jesus said this to me?
In the New Testament.
In John 6:47
Jesus Speaking.

""Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life"""

Bnr32fan.... notice this carefully....."HATH everlasting life".

"hate", means has or have.
it means to POSSESS IT, currently, and the context is Life as "ETERNAL">

Let me try it again.
Jesus says.>>"He that Believes in me, HAS, eternal Life".

The born again are not waiting for it.
The born again HAVE IT.
Jesus said so.
Believe it.

Notice that you will NEVER EVER see Jesus say that those who believed will have eternal life. It’s those who believeth present tense who will be saved not those who believed. As I already showed you the Greek word pisteuo involves more than simply an acknowledgment of existence it also implies faithfulness, fidelity, and trustworthiness. In order to understand the message that the authors of the scriptures were trying to convey you have to understand the meaning of the Greek words they used when they wrote it because some Greek words cannot be fully translated into English by simply using one word. The English language does not have a single word that fully encompasses the definition of the Greek words pisteuo, pistis, or pistos. Many people will believe who will not receive eternal life because they don’t continue to believe. That’s why I’m every case Jesus always uses the word believe in the present tense when He says they have eternal life.

 

[BNR32FAN]

No its not symbolic.
Its literal.
To be in Jesus's hand is to be born again.
Being born again is eternal life.
All of this is literal.

vs, "abiding in the vine".

See, Jesus is not a plant.
He's God.
A "vine" is a plant.
That's symbolic.
Whereas the HAND of the LIVING CHRIST< is real, and all the born again are in his Hand.
All the born again are "the BODY of Christ" and that is not symbolic.
This is the same as all the born again being the "bride' of Christ.
This is true, literally.

The idea of "hand", is found in Colossians 1:16, and John 1:10, where God, who is JESUS< is shown to be the Creator, who is the pre-incarnate "Word".

The hand of God is metaphorical just like the branches of the vine. At least be honest in your discussion.

 

[BNR32FAN]

No its not symbolic.
Its literal.
To be in Jesus's hand is to be born again.
Being born again is eternal life.
All of this is literal.

vs, "abiding in the vine".

See, Jesus is not a plant.
He's God.
A "vine" is a plant.
That's symbolic.
Whereas the HAND of the LIVING CHRIST< is real, and all the born again are in his Hand.
All the born again are "the BODY of Christ" and that is not symbolic.
This is the same as all the born again being the "bride' of Christ.
This is true, literally.

The idea of "hand", is found in Colossians 1:16, and John 1:10, where God, who is JESUS< is shown to be the Creator, who is the pre-incarnate "Word".

IVE SEEN CHRISTIANS ALL MY LIFE NEVER SEEN THEM IN ANY HAND.

 

[Sidon]

He said they “have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit”.

Think of it like this...
If you take communion, you can be an unbeliever.
Does it save you?
No it does not., yet you are a partaker.

In the same sense, you can be a "partaker" of the Gospel, and it do you no good.
Its like this BNR32fan, ... every Sunday, millions of people hear an ALTER CALL, and they are being CONVICTED by the HOLY SPIRIT, to "believe on Christ".
Notice that the Holy Spirit is dealing with them.. That is GOD dealing with a human being, supernatually.
So, they are "partaking" of the Supernatural, yet, they are not being born again, because they are willfully sinning, = Christ Rejection.
See, you can be a partaker of God, Yet not belong to God.

So.. the Jews..... the unsaved Hebrews in Chapter 10, were indeed partakers of the Gospel, of the Signs of an Apostle, and were told "if you WILLFULLY SIN" (Reject your Messiah) "there remains no more sacrifice for you, seeing that you have Crucified Christ Afresh"..

See all that? That is exactly the same as Paul also telling them : "as did your FATHER's"..

See that?
Paul is defining them as being EXACTLY the same as the very one's who were screaming "crucify him, crucify him", while Jesus The Christ stood there, watching and bleeding..

So, now these Hebrews, in chapter 10, are standing there before Paul, partaking of the Gospel, being convicted by the Supernatural Holy Spirit, and they have seen the SIGNS of and Apostle, (tasted the heavenly GIFT) and they STILL rejected their Messiah, which Paul tells them is a "willful" sin, that can't be forgiven.
This is the same as their Father's did, when they KNEW that Christ was Messiah and gave Him a false trial and were CONSENTING to HIS MURDER on the Cross.
See, BNR232fan, Christ laid down His life, to be MURDERED.
He committed no Crime. So, His death, is a murder and a Sacrifice.

And now, in Chapter 10......These Christ Rejecting Hebrews, are doing this also, before Paul's witness, just like they do it again in Acts 28.

 

[Sidon]

The hand of God is metaphorical just like the branches of the vine. At least be honest in your discussion.

If God is a vine, then you have a point.
If He has a Hand, .. If Jesus is God in a Body, then reconsider your pov.

 

[Sidon]

Notice that you will NEVER EVER see Jesus say that those who believed will have eternal life..

It says "hath Eternal life" in the verse.
Try reading it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

See all that? That is exactly the same as Paul also telling them : "as did your FATHER's"..

No I don’t see any of that, all I see is you twisting the word of God. Paul doesn’t say “as your fathers” in the entire chapter. Oh and it’s not even clear that Paul wrote Hebrews.

 

[Sidon]

IVE SEEN CHRISTIANS ALL MY LIFE NEVER SEEN THEM IN ANY HAND.

And you've never seen God at any time.
Does that also mean you don't believe He's real?

You also can't see the air that you breath.
So, according to you, it must not be there because you can't see it.

Hold your breath for a while, being that the air must not be there, as you can "see it".
See how that works out for you.

 

[BNR32FAN]

If God is a vine, then you have a point.
If He has a Hand, .. If Jesus is God in a Body, then reconsider your pov.

If Christians are literally standing in Christ’s physical hand why can’t anyone see it? It’s because it’s metaphorical, not literal.

 

[BNR32FAN]

And you've never seen God at any time.
Does that also mean you don't believe He's real?

You also can't see the air that you breath.
So, according to you, it must not be there because you can't see it.

Hold your breath for a while, being that the air must not be there, as you can "see it".
See how that works out for you.

You simply cannot be honest can you?

 

[Sidon]

No I don’t see any of that, all I see is you twisting the word of God.

Im not responsible for what you believe or for what you think.
That's on you.
See that Freewill that God gave you?
That's on you.

You are free to believe what you want to believe....what you choose to believe.
Currently, regarding our discussion, you cling to what you were taught, before you met me here.
That is your choice.
I accept it.
What you think or say, has no impact on me, or what i share.
I offer it, and you do with it what you will.

See, anytime a person shares truth, there will be people who are enlightened by it and want more of it, and there are other's who are not able to see farther than what they already know., and wont.

I have no issue with you disagreeing.
It actually is purposeful as by your continuing to disagree, i can then provide more proof for other readers to SEE.
So, in that regard, you are helpful, overall.

As i said.... have a right to your opinion.
After all, God gave you free will.
But, you are responsible, in the end, for what you decided to believe.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It says "hath Eternal life" in the verse.
Try reading it.

Yes he who believeth, not he who believed.

 

[Sidon]

You simply cannot be honest can you?

I can't make you understand, i can only show you what to understand.

For example.
The "body of Christ", is that symbolic ?????
You think so?
Yet, God lives in each human Spirit, that is in a body. "We are the temple of the Holy Spirit".
That's literal.

We are in Jesus's Hand.
Jesus's Hand is God's hand.
Being IN God's hand, is to be "ONE WITH GOD"...
To be in God's Hand, is to be born again.

You can only see all this as words, and do not see it as the spiritual realm.
So, you only see the real as the Temporal, and God says that the Temporal is not the real, but that the Eternal is the Real.
So, God's Hand is Jesus, and we are "in Christ".
This is how we are in God's Hand and can't get out.
You can't be taken from "God's Hand", is literal, as God's hand is "One with God", as born again.
This is the LITERAL, its not the symbolic.

 

[fhansen]

Jesus said you have "eternal life" and you will "never Perish"., if you are born again.
So, that isn't a lie.
Dont try to make it one, fhansen.

Jesus told you that "no man can take the born again, out of His hand", and that also mean the person themselves......
See it?

Also..... "tasted the heavenly gift" and "crucified Christ afresh", and "trodden under foot the blood of Jesus", as your FATHER's DID, is what Paul said, to the unsaved Hebrews.

So, let me explain this for you.

Wait...let me explain it for you. Eternal life is to know God. It's a relationship, the object of our faith. It's not just to know about Him but to know Him directly, and that knowledge can grow, and is meant to grow, or can be muted out, dismissed and forgotten by preferring ourselves and this world to Him, as Adam did in Eden. See, its real simple.
"Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." John 17:3

It begins here in this life and is only fully consummated in the next.
"For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known." 1 Cor 13:12

Unless we turn back away, as Jesus said we can, being a branch cut back off as He affirmed in John 15 and Paul reemphasizes in Rom 11, rejecting our knowledge of-our relationship with- Him. So we have:
If indeed they have escaped the corruption of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, only to be entangled and overcome by it again, their final condition is worse than it was at first. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than to have known it and then to turn away from the holy commandment passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.” 2 Pet 2:20-22

 

[Sidon]

If Christians are literally standing in Christ’s physical hand why can’t anyone see it? It’s because it’s metaphorical, not literal.

Its real.

Let me show you again..

All the Born again, are "seated IN Heavenly Places, IN CHRIST">..right now.
That's not symbolic.

And again..

"As Jesus IS, so are the born again, IN THIS WORLD">..
That's not symbolic, bnr32fan.

And again..

"It is not I who lives but CHRIST Who lives IN ME">.
That is Paul speaking, and he's not speaking symbolically.

And again..

"I can do all things THROUGH CHRIST who strengthens me"..
This is not symbolic.
Christ literally "always Gives me the Victory", and that is not symbolic.

We are to "Put on the whole armor of God"...and that is not symbolic.
See, BNR32FAN, you are trying to see the things of God, with your natural mind.
And that can't be done.
As you keep proving.
You cant' SEE the things of God, unless your mind is "renewed".
Believe it.

 

[Sidon]

Yes he who believeth, not he who believed.

The context is to "have believed".

See, God does not give you the new birth, unless you have believed.
When you believe, then God will save you.
And then, you are in His hand....>"One with God, and Christ".

Salvation is not to be believed for, as some type of future occurence.
Salvation is to be born again, and that actually happens.....its not symbolic.
Its not a process, bnr32fan, its a BIRTH.
Its REAL.

 

[fhansen]

If you understood the Gospel, you would not believe that you can lose your salvation.
You would understand that the Blood of Jesus, can't fail.
You teach that it can, and does.

When you no longer believe that, if that day ever comes, then you have understood what it means to be "made righteous", as "born again".

Oh, you mean that pretend and imagined righteousness stuff?

 

[Sidon]

Wait...let me explain it for you. Eternal life is to know God.

If you dont understand Eternal Life, then you can't explain it.
Which you just showed us.

Listen, Eternal Life is JESUS.
He is Eternal life.

Look carefully, fhansen

1st John 5

""""God has given us eternal life, and this life is IN HIS SON " "whoever has the SON...has eternal life".


Now let me show you....
Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and THE LIFE.

See that? 'THE Life".
That is ONE TYPE, .......=eternal.

This is why Jesus told you that HE HIMSELF : "IS.. THE.... Resurrection and THE LIFE".
see that?
Thats the TRUTH.

So, when we have JESUS in us, "Christ in you the hope of Glory", then we have ETERNAL LIFE, because Jesus, who IS Eternal LIFE< is now IN US.
This is why we have it... Its because we have JESUS in us, if we are born again, and not just water baptized.

 

[Sidon]

Oh, you mean that pretend and imagined righteousness stuff?

I would not be the one who would tell a public Christian forum, that the Blood of God as the sacrifice of Christ, is "pretend and imagined".

You just did.

 

[fhansen]

I would not be the one who would tell a public Christian forum, that the Blood of God as the sacrifice of Christ, is "pretend and imagined".

You just did.

Hmm, I wasn't referring to His pretense or imagination.