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“If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us..
Oh but I thought you “studied the Greek manuscripts” when you ALLEGEDLY attended seminary school.
Oh and you skipped post 1669
A castaway is not someone who has lost their salvation.
A "castaway" is someone who did not respect it, and took it for granted.
= DEMAS
Paul's context is...>"i have finished my Course"..
See that "finished"?
That is an entire Christian life that was maintained earnestly and always.
vs, the "castaway", who backslid some, never learned how to stop sinning and confessing, and stayed in the christian diaper stage till they died.
This is the believer who never grew up, never learned how to walk in the Spirit, seldom prayed, never praised, and believed that they were doing God a favor by dragging themselves out of bed once a week to try not to sleep through another dead legalist sermon.
This dead weight believer, never taught a sunday school, never sang in choir, never continually gave to the poor, ....... in other words, born again to do nothing that mattered to God.
That's your "castaway".
answered.
it took me about 2 hrs to get to you.
You have kicked this dead horse for a while now.
So, im going to give you a verse.
1 John 3:9
It says that the born again dont sin.
Your verse says you have sin.
Now, you explain that when you understand why one verse says the born again don't sin, and one verse says you have sin.
Take your time.
A person who has been born again can stray and fall away from Christ. He can also repent and turn back to Him. So when a person falls away at that time he is no longer born of God.
A person who has been born again can stray and fall away from Christ.
There is no such thing as being unborn. Try reading the parable of the Good Samaritan if you don't understand this. Regardless of the younger son's rebellious behavior he was never rejected by the father.
Salvation is Christ in you, THE HOPE of Glory.
"Glory" is Heaven.
Proof you are going to heaven, is if Christ is in you. Water baptism only gets you WET.
So, Christ, who is ETERNAL LIFE and THE RESURRECTiON....>Lives in all who are going to Heaven.
Thats why you go, or why you wont.
This notion, that Jesus was teaching a works-based salvation aimed strictly at the Jews at some points in His ministry, but not in others where He’s teaching a non works-based salvation, is so contrived and antithetical to the true gospel it’s hard to know where to begin to amend this confusion.
That’s not the Good Samaritan that’s The Prodigal Son and the father didn’t receive him back until after the son humbled himself and repented. The father said to his older son that the younger son was dead and lost and now he has come back to life and has been found. So that doesn’t imply that the younger son was alive while he was still living in sin, he was dead and lost until he repented. Did you even read that before you quoted it?
“And He said, “A man had two sons. The younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the share of the estate that falls to me.’ So he divided his wealth between them. And not many days later, the younger son gathered everything together and went on a journey into a distant country, and there he squandered his estate with loose living. Now when he had spent everything, a severe famine occurred in that country, and he began to be impoverished. So he went and hired himself out to one of the citizens of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed swine. And he would have gladly filled his stomach with the pods that the swine were eating, and no one was giving anything to him. But when he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired men have more than enough bread, but I am dying here with hunger! I will get up and go to my father, and will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in your sight; I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me as one of your hired men.” ’ So he got up and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion for him, and ran and embraced him and kissed him. And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ But the father said to his slaves, ‘Quickly bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet; and bring the fattened calf, kill it, and let us eat and celebrate; for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again; he was lost and has been found.’ And they began to celebrate. “Now his older son was in the field, and when he came and approached the house, he heard music and dancing. And he summoned one of the servants and began inquiring what these things could be. And he said to him, ‘Your brother has come, and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has received him back safe and sound.’ But he became angry and was not willing to go in; and his father came out and began pleading with him. But he answered and said to his father, ‘Look! For so many years I have been serving you and I have never neglected a command of yours; and yet you have never given me a young goat, so that I might celebrate with my friends; but when this son of yours came, who has devoured your wealth with prostitutes, you killed the fattened calf for him.’ And he said to him, ‘Son, you have always been with me, and all that is mine is yours. But we had to celebrate and rejoice, for this brother of yours was dead and has begun to live, and was lost and has been found”
Luke 15:11-32 NASB1995
If what you are saying is true then there would be no need for Paul to warn believers of returning to a sinful lifestyle like he does in every single epistle he wrote.
I agree.
You are definitely under the dominion of the law.
Talking about these verses, is anything but flaming....
IN fact its the most needful Thread any Christian forum will ever receive.
Believe it.
2nd Corinthians 11:14,15
No, I'm good. All the NT teachers knew the same thing: the ten-the whole law and prophets for that matter- are fulfilled by the greatest. And the greatest are fulfilled in us by God. And we gain "admittance" to God and His love via faith.I seriously wish people would stop saying that. He came unto His own and His own received Him not = Jesus would not walk in Jewry because they were trying to kill Him... as far back as John 7. Jesus says He came "only unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel"... in Galilee, not in Judea. The divided kingdom is still in effect. Benjamin is with Judah/Jerusalem--and called Judah, the other 10 belong to the house of Israel--called Israel. (I should be carrying a sign-board.)
Not one single part of what Jesus taught is apart from works. Because even to become born from above, Jesus says you have to keep His Commandments. Both of those things are in and of the Kingdom of Heaven. If you pick up bits here and pieces there, you might be tempted to think that it's a laissez-faire sort of Kingdom... but not at all, if you study it out. If even the intentions of the heart are being judged, how much more strictly are your actions? Jesus wants our heart made clean, that's why He teaches the words of the Father which are eternal life. I can provide Kingdom scripture for all of that if you need it...
1 John 3:9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed abides in him;It says that the born again dont sin.
Your verse says you have sin.
Now, you explain that when you understand why one verse says the born again don't sin, and one verse says you have sin.
Take your time.
Seems like John has been kicking this horse for a while now. Maybe he could get to the point.You have kicked this dead horse for a while now.
So, im going to give you a verse.
In other words, you're believing what all the dispensational colleges believe... this I already know... been there, done that... moved on.
Because stand-alone verses aren't nearly enough, there's this, with John3:16...
John 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
This is what's meant by "unless the Father draweth him"... in that verse, the man comes to Jesus because the Law was already cleaning up his act. Hence the baptism of repentence, to show that you have been under what James calls the Law of liberty... and please don't try to snag this verse, because James is all, "Faith without works is dead"... and it won't work for you at all... in context.
If I were to believe that commandments are not eternal life, I would have to start with denying this:
John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on Me, believeth not on Me, but on him that sent Me. 45 And he that seeth Me seeth Him that sent Me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on Me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear My words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.
... and follow that heresy on through the rest of these:
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. 21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mark 10:19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
John 14:21 He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him.
John 15:10 If ye keep My commandments, ye shall abide in My love; even as I have kept My Father's commandments, and abide in His love.
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Just a small sample... It's "all of a piece", as they say.
You seem to think that I was kidding when I told you several times, regarding Paul: ...been there, done that... moved on... because you keep trying to persuade me... or maybe you're not talking to me, just talking near me.
Also... the Way that Jesus went to prepare... it's the Resurrection of Life... so you can stop making that poor horse into glue sticks.
Eternal life Hung on The Cross.
John said, that you may KNOW you have Eternal Life.
It the same thing.
Its Jesus.
Jesus said in John 14:6 that He is ""THE LIFE".
See that?
That's not commandments.
And ask yourself...>"did commandments hang on the Cross"?
If they did, then use their blood as your Salvation.
If not, you have some work to do, regarding your latest revised belief system.
No, I'm good. All the NT teachers knew the same thing: the ten-the whole law and prophets for that matter- are fulfilled by the greatest. And the greatest are fulfilled in us by God. And we gain "admittance" to God and His love via faith.
So when Jesus says that we must be clean on the inside, that we must obey the commandments, that we must do "for the least of these", that our righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees and teachers of the law He means just that. And the same with Paul when he says we must do good, obey the law and put to death the deeds of the flesh in order to have eternal life.
Man's obligation to be righteous does not change with the New Covenant. It's simply, finally, achieved- the right way. Via the righteous given us by the Spirit, via the love He pours out into us. And even a small amount of that, you see, easily exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees et al.
A castaway is not someone who has lost their salvation.
A "castaway" is someone who did not respect it, and took it for granted.
= DEMAS
Paul's context is...>"i have finished my Course"..
See that "finished"?
That is an entire Christian life that was maintained earnestly and always.
vs, the "castaway", who backslid some, never learned how to stop sinning and confessing, and stayed in the christian diaper stage till they died.
This is the believer who never grew up, never learned how to walk in the Spirit, seldom prayed, never praised, and believed that they were doing God a favor by dragging themselves out of bed once a week to try not to sleep through another dead legalist sermon.
This dead weight believer, never taught a sunday school, never sang in choir, never continually gave to the poor, ....... in other words, born again to do nothing that mattered to God.
That's your "castaway".
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