How to walk in the Spirit.

ozso · Jun 23, 2021

Hmm said:
I didn't know the story behind the quote. Imagine receiving that word in the middle of the Plague and being able to believe it. Amazing too that the Catholic church still teaches it.

I think it sums it up for me as well as your point about choice. God made us all in His image and so we can only be our true selves if we honour this and try to be the person He wants us to be. This helps us fulfil our potential and reflects God into the world. I think some people simply don't want to submit to this and would rather be their own master. God's main commands are to love and rejecting God can mean rejecting love and choosing self-centredness, power and greed instead. They are essentially saying that they don't want to be God's child. I think God would honour this although He would grieve like any parent who has lost their child. I'd like to think that someone like this can turn to God after death and some of my favourite figures in the Christian world do believe this - I doubt there's a knockdown argument for this but that's true for a lot of our beliefs and that's why we disagree so much on certain things. I think all will be well or at least we'll get what we really want.

There's saying that goes; for those who reject God, heaven would be like hell to them.

Hmm · Jun 23, 2021

MMXX said:
But from my observation, you're both still in a "Mexican standoff".

Apparently the guy who shoots first has the least chance of survival and the guy who shoots last, the best.

Sidon · Jun 23, 2021

Hmm said:
What attracts you to Paul especially? What do you think of the gospels?

Paul was not one of the original 12.
He was called later, by Christ, once the Lord was back in Glory.

Paul was chosen as the "apostle to the gentiles", which is a very specific ministry.
Its a ministry that is designed to teach the body of Christ, Church Doctrine, during the "time of the gentiles".
So, you have this one apostle, called, then taken for some years apart and alone, and Christ personally revealed to him all that we are to understand during the "time of the gentiles' which is the church age, that we are in, currently.
Paul is the chosen apostle, called, to be THE instructor of the body of Christ, during this last revelation of what God is doing with man, just before the Great Trib starts, and then you have that situation.
But for now, we are in the "time of the Gentiles", and you have the "apostle to the gentiles" who wrote most of the New Testament, and the Church Doctrine.

Everything that we need to know, as the body of Christ, regarding

1. How to start a church
2. How to walk in the Spirit
3. All about the gifts of the Spirit
4. How to choose a Pastor, a Deacon
5. How to deal with your wife or husband, sexually
6. How to deal with heretics
7. How to deal with everthing, that is related to being a disciple.

This is all "doctrine for the Church", and you get this from Paul the apostle to the gentiles, in the "time of the Gentiles.

Practical Christianity, daily devotion, how to understand what to do in every situation, ...all this.... comes from Paul.
This is why Paul tells us to "Follow ME, as i follow Christ".

Reader, do you think God is calling you to be a missionary, or a pastor or a deacon, or a part of Church Leadership?
Then you go to PAUL and read Paul's epistles to Titus and Timothy, as these are Paul's "preacher boys", and you find some answers.
Or you go to Galatians to discover how not to fall from Grace, and how to keep yourself out of legalsim and self saving, which is to get "into the flesh".

Paul is your teacher.

Sidon · Jun 23, 2021

fhansen said:
right, despite what scripture says to the contrary

There is no scripture that says the blood of Jesus is a temporary solution for your sin.
Jesus said that if you come to Him for Salvation, He gives you Eternal life, and this is not temporary.
Jesus tells you that you will "never perish".

Now there are self savors, heretics, who are religious but lost, only water baptized but not born again, who teach the Gospel of works, which is to deny the Gospel of Grace.
Forums are infected with these fakirs, who can't even understand the Blood Atonement or the Gift of Righteosness.
But they can talk endlessly about the old testament, and the 10 commandments, and the law of Moses, their self effort.
And the reason this is ALL they can talk about, is because all this is their savior.
So, they talk about THEIR savior, which is themselves, doing all that to try to go to heaven.
This is the "error of cain" they are become, and this is Legalism.
It actually rejects the Cross.

Sidon · Jun 23, 2021

MMXX said:
That reminds me of the adage I heard as a child; that if a bus bound for heaven drove down to hell, no one would get on it.

Sure.

We are free will beings.

God says......Choose this day my Son or Choose this day to reject my Son.

You get what you choose.
Its on you.

Hell is a choice., its a eternal destination.
Heaven is a choice., its a eternal destination.
We make this choice of where we end up in eternity, by receiving or rejecting Jesus while we are on this earth.
Christ DIED on THE CROSS on THIS EARTH, and you have the choice while you are on THIS earth to go to The Cross or avoid it.
Your eternal destination is decided by you, on THIS earth.
The eternal question is..>"what did you do with JESUS while you were on THIS EARTH".
You choose this NOW.....Not after you die, but HERE and NOW ...."today is the accepted time, today is the day of Salvation".
Choose it or not.

God WILL honor your choice, for eternity.
Believe it.
Choose wisely, reader, as no one gets the chance to Choose Christ in HELL.

Sidon · Jun 23, 2021

BNR32FAN said:
If who goes on sinning willfully? Who did the author say? Didn’t want to include that very important piece of information, did you?

I included the context of the "sinning willfully", as its stated by Paul, in Hebrews 10.
Did you miss it again?
Its this..
"reject Christ".
There is your "willfull sin", that these Messiah Rejecting JEWS are committing, and that is why Paul tells them that "there remains no more SACRIFICE".
See, Jesus is their Sacrifice....So, when they rejected Him, they have "willfully sinned", and so, there is no more Salvation available to them or to anyone, if you REJECT the Sacrifice.
Jesus is THE Sacrifice.
So, if you reject JESUS< as they are doing by their willful sin of CHRIST REJECTION< then there is no more Sacrifice for them, as Paul is very intensely Preaching to them.
He does this same again, in Acts 28, and get frustrated, and tells them....."im done with you Christ rejecting Hebrews, (jews), i'll take this Gospel to the GENTILES, and they will HEAR IT".

So, that is Paul the Apostle to the Gentiles.........

Sidon · Jun 23, 2021

BNR32FAN said:
The people in Matthew 25:31-46 were not rejecting Christ. They didn’t choose to go to hell, they were punished by being sent to hell.

There is only one sin that causes God to not allow you to stay in Heaven after you die.
Its the sin of Christ Rejection. (Hebrews 10:26)
This is the sin that gets your name taken out of the "Lamb's book of life"..

See, a lot of novice, baby believers, think that the reason they go to hell or not, is based on if they confess all their latest sins, so that God can keep them, or not. (if they forget a few).
But that is just spiritual and theological ignorance based on not having a CLUE as to What the BLood Atonement actually does for the REDEEMED by it.

See, the White Throne Judgment, is for these.......John 3:36.
Hell is for those, only.
Heaven is for everyone else who isnt DEFINED by that ONE verse.

Sidon · Jun 23, 2021

BNR32FAN said:
Yes it’s actually extremely difficult for me to understand. How do you study the “manuscript evidence” without studying the Greek language?

There are , not counting Origen's, 30 "extant" Greek manuscripts, and at least one that is in Latin.
So, you study their evidence, not by reading Greek....
I'll let you figure that out.

Sidon · Jun 23, 2021

fhansen said:
Ok, the pretend non-sinner thing.

If you are a sinner then you are not going to Heaven.
So, you have sin, or Christ has your sin.
Figure that out, asap, as if you get it wrong and die, you have no way to correct your misunderstanding.

Sidon · Jun 23, 2021

Ligurian said:
So why don't you believe Galatians 2:7-9?

I do believe it.
But now the way you misunderstand it.

Sidon · Jun 23, 2021

pescador said:
It amazes me that people are incapable of understanding this basic Biblical truth.

Look in the mirror.

Sidon · Jun 23, 2021

Ligurian said:
Paul teaches one thing that Jesus says will not work Matthew 7:21-23 ...

The reason you dont understand that verse, is because you dont understand the context of this phrase

"do the will of God".

See, you dont know what this is, so you improvise and recreated it as Legalism, or = "works that i do, or commandments and law that im supposed to keep".

But that is not the verse's context.
The verse is explaining to you : John 14:6.

The verse is defining why you go to Heaven or not. And that is by doing the will of God, which is to "all that call on the name of Jesus, shall be saved".

See, the will of God is the WORK God has for you to do.
And this is the verse...>"The work of God, is that YOU BELIEVE ON JESUS WHOM GOD SENT">

See that WORK.
Notice that there is no law or commandment keeping or discipleship involved.

There is your WILL of God, defined as the WORK of God. = BELIEVE.. (FAITH).
Justification by Faith, or "faith is counted AS Righteousness".

Sidon · Jun 23, 2021

Ligurian said:
If you're not supposed to keep crucifying Him again and again, why do you do it?

Oh i never do that, Ligurian.
Not ever..

You'll never find me rejecting Christ openly on a Christian forum, by trying to deceive believers out of their Faith, by trying to con them into the devil's lie : "you can lose your salvation".. "you have to confess sin to keep yourself saved"... "you have to keep the Law and Commandments to be accepted by God"
ETC.
See those Satanic substitutes for The Cross?
Have you ever seen me teach those lies?
And you NEVER WILL, fella.
I dont serve the devil, and that is why i only teach the BLOOD OF JESUS as THE ONLY SALVATiON That God has HIMSELF SUPPLIED ON THE CROSS that saves you and KEEPS you SAVED.

BELIVE IT.
ITS A FACT.

Sidon · Jun 23, 2021

Ligurian said:
What do you do with the verses where Paul says "I think", like 1 Corinthians 7:40... do you say those aren't real church doctrine?

I am noticing that you're skipping the hard questions.

You are not being honest to say that i skip questions, and its not reality to say your questions are "hard".
In fact they are novice, but you think they are "Hard" because your theology makes you believe this, ligurian.

So, let me answer you next question....

Paul , and all the Apostles believed that Christ was about to Return.
So, this is one reason why Paul said for us to consider not getting married.
Its because as He teaches....>"you'll have more trouble in this world", if you are married.

So, Paul is explaining, .....that the most perfect discipleship is to be wholly invested into the service of God, and you can't be this, if you are taking care of the wife and 4 kids.

So, Paul was always very SOLD OUT, to the point of being a Martyr in the end, and that is why he had no WIFE., and from this point of view, He allows for us to consider a life of Total service to God, total dedication to this pursuit.... that is only found by being celibate/unmarried.

Sidon · Jun 23, 2021

MMXX said:
What did Paul say about hell, especially eternal torment?

He said that if you want to Go to heaven, then you have to be as Righteous as God.

In other words.....God is HOLY, and Heaven is for the HOLY.
Its not for the sinners. = the unrighteous.
So, to live there with God and Jesus, you have to be HOLY, which is to be SINLESS, in a particular way..

This is to be born again, SPIRITUALLY, inside your body, as "ONE WITH GOD, in Christ".
And this BORN AGAIN SPIRIT, Is sinless, because it has been MADE RIGHTEOUS, by God, when you are born again.

Hmm · Jun 23, 2021

Sidon said:
Paul was not one of the original 12.
He was called later, by Christ, once the Lord was back in Glory.

Paul was chosen as the "apostle to the gentiles", which is a very specific ministry.
Its a ministry that is designed to teach the body of Christ, Church Doctrine, during the "time of the gentiles".
So, you have this one apostle, called, then taken for some years apart and alone, and Christ personally revealed to him all that we are to understand during the "time of the gentiles' which is the church age, that we are in, currently.
Paul is the chosen apostle, called, to be THE instructor of the body of Christ, during this last revelation of what God is doing with man, just before the Great Trib starts, and then you have that situation.
But for now, we are in the "time of the Gentiles", and you have the "apostle to the gentiles" who wrote most of the New Testament, and the Church Doctrine.

Everything that we need to know, as the body of Christ, regarding

1. How to start a church
2. How to walk in the Spirit
3. All about the gifts of the Spirit
4. How to choose a Pastor, a Deacon
5. How to deal with your wife or husband, sexually
6. How to deal with heretics
7. How to deal with everthing, that is related to being a disciple.

This is all "doctrine for the Church", and you get this from Paul the apostle to the gentiles, in the "time of the Gentiles.

Practical Christianity, daily devotion, how to understand what to do in every situation, ...all this.... comes from Paul.
This is why Paul tells us to "Follow ME, as i follow Christ".

Reader, do you think God is calling you to be a missionary, or a pastor or a deacon, or a part of Church Leadership?
Then you go to PAUL and read Paul's epistles to Titus and Timothy, as these are Paul's "preacher boys", and you find some answers.
Or you go to Galatians to discover how not to fall from Grace, and how to keep yourself out of legalsim and self saving, which is to get "into the flesh".

Paul is your teacher.

You answered my question about Paul, thanks, but not about the gospels. We can only focus on one thing just like when you look through a magnifying glass - the object in the centre becomes more visible and sharper and everything around the edge becomes less clear. In your extreme focus on Paul you have lost sight IMO of what Jesus taught us about judging others and that He wants us to have a relationship with Him not just follow a formula like the one you espouse. You accuse others of being legalistic but remember what Jesus said about beams and motes.

BNR32FAN · Jun 23, 2021

Sidon said:
I included the context of the "sinning willfully", as its stated by Paul, in Hebrews 10.
Did you miss it again?
Its this..
"reject Christ".
There is your "willfull sin", that these Messiah Rejecting JEWS are committing, and that is why Paul tells them that "there remains no more SACRIFICE".
See, Jesus is their Sacrifice....So, when they rejected Him, they have "willfully sinned", and so, there is no more Salvation available to them or to anyone, if you REJECT the Sacrifice.
Jesus is THE Sacrifice.
So, if you reject JESUS< as they are doing by their willful sin of CHRIST REJECTION< then there is no more Sacrifice for them, as Paul is very intensely Preaching to them.
He does this same again, in Acts 28, and get frustrated, and tells them....."im done with you Christ rejecting Hebrews, (jews), i'll take this Gospel to the GENTILES, and they will HEAR IT".

So, that is Paul the Apostle to the Gentiles.........

WE, that’s who the UNKNOWN author of Hebrews was referring to. We means the author and the audience not someone else. He didn’t say “if they” he said “if we”. The word “if” indicates a hypothetical situation. He’s not saying that anyone has actually done this.

ozso · Jun 23, 2021

Sidon said:
He said that if you want to Go to heaven, then you have to be as Righteous as God.

In other words.....God is HOLY, and Heaven is for the HOLY.
Its not for the sinners. = the unrighteous.
So, to live there with God and Jesus, you have to be HOLY, which is to be SINLESS, in a particular way..

This is to be born again, SPIRITUALLY, inside your body, as "ONE WITH GOD, in Christ".
And this BORN AGAIN SPIRIT, Is sinless, because it has been MADE RIGHTEOUS, by God, when you are born again.

So that's what Paul said about eternal torment eh?

Sidon · Jun 23, 2021

Ligurian said:
Either you don't know that Barnabus wrote the letter to the Hebrews according to church history

Whatever or whoever taught you this, .......discard that into the dumpster., as no credible Scholarship teaches what you just stated.
In fact, most Scholars say that the author of Hebrews is "unknown".
Most Study Bibles teach this also....

So, nevermind all that...

Instead go with what im showing you right now.

Read, Acts 28, the last 10 verses.
You will find PAUL the Apostle, talking to unsaved Hebrews, and he's preaching the Cross to them.

In Hebrews, chapter 10, the preacher is doing the same thing.
Why?
Because in both Epistles, Its Paul doing the same thing, and its being recorded.

Sidon · Jun 23, 2021

Ligurian said:
Why am I not surprised that you're going to work on your lame verbal skills

Why would your insults have any value or meaning, except to you?
Is that clear?

And regarding what i accomplish in the Spirit = in Life or on a Forum like this one.....I'll let God decide that., as i just plant spiritual seed.
Its God who gives the increase and gets all the Glory.
What am i but in His service..
So far so good....

See...
Im teaching on Threads, and you are trying to waste my time on them.
That's the part you chose to play on my Threads.
I can let you talk to yourself, as you do enjoy, most of all, hearing yourself talk.
Think on that., till you figure it out.

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