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We’ve already covered all this. You’re choosing to ignore way too many passages in the Bible.
It’s a very simple question, and your posts seem to suggest that you’re speaking of an imputed righteousness only, and that it’s ok to say your not a sinner as long as you see yourself as not being one now? Or imagine yourself to not be one? IDK. So do you sin, or not?? There’s no need for me to go back, with such an easy question to clarify here.ive answered this already.
Go and read it again.
There is your answer.
Thats the problem, I’ve listed way more than that!What passages is he ignoring? Maybe if you list five or ten, he will address them. I'd be very interested in seeing what his answers would be.
Yes, MADE RIGHTEOUS. Not with some sort of pretend righteousness, with no real change other than a positional change in status. Christ did way more for you than that.
We know them by their fruits, the most important being the love that produces the rest. So, again, Gods church can rightly teach,And when you "act upon that Gift" God accepts this FAITH ONE TIME, and "faith is counted as Righteousness".= "Justification BY faith".
The proof, the only proof, that He did, is by being being born again.
Being born again, is the only real proof a person is a Christian, and that is because its the only situation that a person can't cause, .. as only God can give the "new birth".
The New Covenant in a nutshell.
Yes, and righteousness is love- in a nutshell. And this is why the greatest commandments are what they are, BTW. And the Ten Commandments, based on that same love, are still right, holy, spiritual, and good as Paul tells us in Rom 7. We’re the problem, not the law, even though by itself it has no power to justify us. And Jesus didn’t reiterate and teach the greatest commandments so that we should ignore them. He just finally gives us the only true means to fulfill them, by the Spirit, by His power.The NT in a "Nutshell" is "righteousness".
Its how this is caused.
"the Gift of Salvation">
The core of the Bible is "RIGHTEOUSNESS".
The OT shows you the LAW that is God's Holy Mirror that reflects our UNRIGHTEOUSNESS back at us.
It is our "school teacher".. that leads us to the solution, that is THE CROSS.
The NT is God's GRACE that provides God's Righteousness based on God as Christ offering it as "the Gift of Righteousness" and "the Gift of Salvation".
I think you should give more thought to what you’re really saying. Is sin ok, or not?
Will it keep us from heaven, or not?
So sin is still not ok but it doesn’t keep us out of heaven, even though sin is what caused all the problems between God and man to begin with. Sounds like a distinction without much of a difference but, ok.I think you should give more thought to what I've really been saying. I already said sin is appalling and that all sin is bad etc. So obviously I don't think sin is okay.Christian.
Or didn’t stay one-scripture certainly indicates that we can die again, fail to persevere, etc. But if a born again Christian does sin as you say, how much or what kind of sin can he commit before he probably isn’t a born again Christian after all?Will sin keep a born again Christian from heaven? I think if that's the case, then we're all going to hell. Unless what you're really asking is, will really bad persistent unremorseful unrepentant sin keep a born again Christians from heaven? In that case, I'd say anyone who's into really bad persistent unremorseful unrepentant sin, who feels no conviction from the Holy Spirit, probably isn't a born again Christian.
Your right .Christ would never leave. Some leave Him. This whole time I am speaking of apostasy, not forgivable sins. Apostasy is the unforgivable sin.There is no such thing as Christ leaving you, once He is inside the born again.
There is no such thing as God no longer living in "the temple of the Holy Spirit", after He is INSIDE a person's SPIRIT who is born again as "One With God and Christ".
Check your NT.
Notice there is no verse that even suggests that once God, Christ , and the Holy Spirit are in you, they will leave you because you misbehave, or miss a Sunday, or tell a lie.
Salvation is not so fragile as a person's behavior, as you seem to believe.
Its actually as Eternal as the BLood of God that was shed to cause it.
You can't "fall away" from being born again.
So sin is still not ok but it doesn’t keep us out of heaven, even though sin is what caused all the problems between God and man to begin with. Sounds like a distinction without much of a difference but, ok.
Or didn’t stay one-scripture certainly indicates that we can die again, fail to persevere, etc. But if a born again Christian does sin as you say, how much or what kind of sin can he commit before he probably isn’t a born again Christian after all?
Um...yes! And some even say that a person can live like the devil and still be born again. Either way it's a very sad state of affairs when Christianity has descended to the point where the believer is no longer thought to be obligated to be personally righteous in order to see God. That's the opposite of the gospel. Fortunately most Christians don't live as if that were true, regardless of professed theology.The way I see it either someone is born again or they're not. A person can live like a saint and not be born again. Asking how bad does a person have to be to get kicked out, is like asking how good does a person have to be to stay in.
Um...yes! And some even say that a person can live like the devil and still be born again. Either way it's a very sad state of affairs when Christianity has descended to the point where the believer is no longer thought to be obligated to be personally righteous in order to see God. That's the opposite of the gospel. Fortunately most Christians don't live as if that were true, regardless of professed theology.
And here we'd disagree. God doesn't force us to turn to Him, or to remain in Him, which is why Christ admonishes us to remain in Him. It's that obligation thing.A real Christian is always going to recognize sin in their life and God won't test them to the point where they become lost, and will provide a way out for them. 1 Corinthians 10:13.
And here we'd disagree. God doesn't force us to turn to Him, or to remain in Him, which is why Christ admonishes us to remain in Him. Its that obligation thing.
You’re assuming that everyone who’s ever taken those words and applied them to themselves was/is saved.You're disagreeing with St. Paul then, because what I said is in accordance with 1 Corinthians 10:13. Which doesn't have anything to do with God forcing us.
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You’re assuming that everyone who’s ever taken those words and applied them to themselves was/is saved.
No one knows if Paul was addressing themselves as individuals, or even if every Corinthian who first read/heard those words from his letter was necessarily saved for that matter. The elect are the elect, and its redundant to affirm this but, yes, those words apply to them. But no one knows with 100% certainty that they’re numbered among that group. God, alone, knows perfectly whose names are written in the Book of Life, while many who think they are, won’t be. We can’t predict our own perseverance for that matter.What?
No one knows if Paul was addressing themselves as individuals, or even if every Corinthian who first read/heard those words from his letter was necessarily saved for that matter. The elect are the elect, and its redundant to affirm this but, yes, those words apply to them. But no one knows with 100% certainty that they’re numbered among that group. God, alone, knows perfectly whose names are written in the Book of Life, while many who think they are, won’t be. We can’t predict our own perseverance for that matter.
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