How to walk in the Spirit.

Clare73 · Jun 17, 2021

Sidon said:
Is there a need for me to re-respond to your same cut and paste verses, 12 times?

Paul's doctrine on sanctification through obedience in the Holy Spirit. . .post #977
has yet to edify us by your explanation of the Pauline Scriptures, being true to their words, which I've presented regarding it.

Non-responsive.
.

Clare73 · Jun 17, 2021

Sidon said:
Here is my constant Response.

Paul's doctrine on sanctification through obedience in the Holy Spirit. . .post #977
has yet to edify us by your explanation of the Pauline Scriptures, being true to their words, which I've presented regarding it.

Non-responsive. . .constantly.
.

BNR32FAN · Jun 17, 2021

Sidon said:
Paul didnt.
So, as i just told another member... = BEFORE you had a Pope, a Calvin, a Arminian, a " cult of Mary" or a "church father", you had Paul.

I teach Paul.
"Pauline Theology".

Just go to the source, and bypass all the other "stuff", and all turns out well in the end.

You know absolutely nothing about the apostolic Catholic Church. If you did you would know that there was no pope until 1054AD

Clare73 · Jun 17, 2021

fhansen said:
I'm a farmer-and a few other things not all of which should probably be mentioned in polite society.

I know farming well.

And, I know, Carpenters are better. So...in historical teachings I'm familiar with, the supernatural gifts of faith, hope, and love are defined as faith meaning intellectual assent,

That, however, is not the meaning of faith as used in the NT because even demons have that, which is why in NT it is fiduces, which James was at labor to show, and may be the source of our problems.

fhansen · Jun 17, 2021

Clare73 said:
I know farming well.

That, however, is not the meaning of faith as used in the NT because even demons have that, which is why in NT it is fiduces, which James was at labor to show, and may be the source of our problems.

No, there are BIGGER problems than that Clare . But nothing insurmountable. Anyway, James was the one who continued:
"You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone." James 2:24

Paul agreed with James' practical/spiritual statement:
"For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." Rom 2:13

And John:
"The one who does what is right is righteous, just as He is righteous. The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work." 1 John 3:7-8

Sidon · Jun 17, 2021

Clare73 said:
Paul's doctrine on sanctification through obedience in the Holy Spirit. . .
Non-responsive.
.

You posted another bumper sticker, and then you dont explain it.
So, welcome to your posts.
That is how they exist.
You post a blurb, then say "paul said that", and then you can't explain it.
So, can you do better?
In here a few weeks, and that is all you offer me, or the members.

Now lets look at what Paul teaches as our "sanctification".
Its this... 1 Corinthians 1:30.
Paul teaches that Jesus "IS BECOME" the sanctification of the born again.

This means that its COMPLETED.
Its completed by us being IN CHRIST, or as your blurb is stating, as "IN the Holy Spirit".
See that "IN"?
That is not you doing it.

What it means is that we have become this...>"As Christ IS< so are the born again, IN THIS WORLD">

Now you dont like that, because Paul does not give you the credit that you crave.
And im not going to give you credit, for your sanctification, or for your salvation.

See, the bottom line is this. All you post is..>"this is how I DO IT", and then you cut and past how Paul teaches that we are become it, already, by being in Christ.

Sidon · Jun 17, 2021

fhansen said:
But that union isn't complete until the next life, when we'll know and love Him fully..

Well that isn't correct.
See, the born again are '"ONE WITH GOD< and Christ", right now.
The born again are "IN Christ", for eternity.
There is no way you can be more in "union" with God and Christ than to be IN THEM BOTH, and they be in you, as "Christ IN YOU the hope of Glory"....And God in you, because you are the "Temple of the Holy Spirit", if you are born again and not just water baptized.

Here is how Jesus explains the current spiritual union regarding all the born again .

John 17:23. """I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in ONE".

See the..that they may be "made perfect"?
This is how we understand what makes us perfect.
Its because the born again have been birthed into the Spirit of God, by the Spirit of God, and now the Born again, are "ONE" with God's Spirit, which is to be "in Christ".

This can never change.
ANd when we understand that this is who we have become, as the new creation, then we are able to rest in the peace this brings to us, as we realize the security we have been given, by becoming ONE with God and IN Christ.

This establishes us as a eternal situation, within God's family.
God put us there by new birth and once you are born again, you are always born again.

Clare73 · Jun 17, 2021

fhansen said:
No, there are BIGGER problems than that Clare . But nothing insurmountable. Anyway, James was the one who continued:
"You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone." James 2:24

Yes, James is explaining what true faith is, which justifies/saves apart from its necessary works (Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 4:5), distinguishing it from counterfeit faith which does not obey, and which counterfeit faith does not save/justify.

Paul agreed with his practical/spiritual statement:
"For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but
it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." Rom 2:13

No, no, no, no. . .no. . .NO!

You do not understand Romans 2:1-3:8.

That "practical spiritual statement" was nothing but a curse! (Galatians 3:10)
Not a thing "practical" (practice-able) about it!

"No one will be declared righteous by observing the law." (Romans 3:20)

"By observing the law no one will be justified." (Galatians 2:16)

"Everyone who believes is justified from everything
you could not be justified from by the law of Moses." (Acts 13:39)

"The law brings wrath." (Romans 4:15)

"Those who rely on observing the law are under a curse. (Galatians 3:10)

"The power of sin to kill is the curse of the law." (1 Corinthians 15:56)

"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law." (Galatians 3:13)

The law was temporaraily added (Romans 5:20; Galatians 3:19) to the Abrahamic covenant of grace to teach us the meaning of sin--spiritual defilement.

It was not given to make righteous.

Why are you resisting the Scriptures?

Sidon · Jun 17, 2021

Clare73 said:
Paul's doctrine on sanctification through obedience in the Holy Spirit. . .
has yet to edify us by your explanation of the Pauline Scriptures, being true to their words, which I've presented regarding it.
Non-responsive. . .constantly.
.

Ive responded to you, regarding this topic, today.
So, if you will just be honest, we can try another subject.
Perhaps you can respond to the Thread's topic.
That would be something new for you.

Sidon · Jun 17, 2021

BNR32FAN said:
You know absolutely nothing about the apostolic Catholic Church. If you did you would know that there was no pope until 1054AD

Well, if you knew anything about this subject, you would know that the current Pope will tell you that his authority came from who he considers the 1st pope.
That would be Peter.
"papal authority", stems from a misunderstanding of a verse that says...>"Upon this Rock, i will build my Church", and the "early church fathers", teach that this rock is Peter, yet Christ was talking about the revelation of Himself as the Son of God, that Peter expressed, which is the TRUE revelation that God has built upon to create His "body of Christ".

Hmm · Jun 17, 2021

Sidon said:
There is no way you can be more in "union" with God and Christ than to be IN THEM BOTH

BOTH? God and Christ are two different things and we're in both of them at the same time? How is this possible? By using mirrors?

Sidon said:
and they be in you,

And BOTH are in us? Is there room?

Sidon · Jun 17, 2021

Hmm said:
BOTH? God and Christ are two different things and we're in both of them at the same time? How is this possible? By using mirrors?

And BOTH are in us? Is there room?

"3 in one". or 3 as one.

You are a Tri-part being......body, soul, spirit

God is a Triune being......Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

There are a few examples of "3 in 1" found in the universe.

You
God

The Sun... The sun, is Light , heat, and acetic rays.

An Egg..... is the shell, the white fluid and the yoke.

fhansen · Jun 17, 2021

Sidon said:
Well that isn't correct.
See, the born again are '"ONE WITH GOD< and Christ", right now.
The born again are "IN Christ", for eternity.
There is no way you can be more in "union" with God and Christ than to be IN THEM BOTH, and they be in you, as "Christ IN YOU the hope of Glory"....And God in you, because you are the "Temple of the Holy Spirit", if you are born again and not just water baptized.

Here is how Jesus explains the current spiritual union regarding all the born again .

John 17:23. """I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in ONE".

See the..that they may be "made perfect"?
This is how we understand what makes us perfect.
Its because the born again have been birthed into the Spirit of God, by the Spirit of God, and now the Born again, are "ONE" with God's Spirit, which is to be "in Christ".

This can never change.
ANd when we understand that this is who we have become, as the new creation, then we are able to rest in the peace this brings to us, as we realize the security we have been given, by becoming ONE with God and IN Christ.

This establishes us as a eternal situation, within God's family.
God put us there by new birth and once you are born again, you are always born again.

Sorry, the journey begins here. It's not over until we meet Him-and He, not us- renders His judgment. We can't predict our own perseverance-which is why we're admonished to persevere. But those who wash their robes and endure to the end will enter heaven. Even if they didn't see themselves as righteous beforehand incidentally.

Hmm · Jun 17, 2021

Sidon said:
The Sun... The sun, is Light , heat, and acetic rays.

What are "acetic rays"?

acetic
/əˈsiːtɪk,əˈsɛtɪk/
adjective

of or like vinegar or acetic acid.

Sidon said:
An Egg..... is the shell, the white fluid and the yoke.

The fluld is translucent - it's only white when it solidifies on heating.

The reason this is important is because how can I trust you to describe the God that you can't see when you can't describe the egg that you can?

Sidon · Jun 17, 2021

fhansen said:
Sorry, the journey begins here. It's not over until we meet Him-and He, not us- renders His judgment. .

You are not really listening.

Let me show you..

You say.... the journey begins here, yet, ...... the born again are already "translated from darkness TO Light".. The born again are already "seated in heavenly places in Christ"...The born again are already IN the Kingdom of God.
So, the only journey the born again find, is to face the "evil day" each day, and "Put on the whole armor of God", and "STAND" ......as we are already in the world but not OF IT.

Also, the born again will meet God as their FATHER.
THe unbeliever, at Revelation 20:11, will meet God as this...... John 3:36.

The born again will never face that judgment, as that is reserved for all the non- born again.

Also, the only "judgment" the born again will face after they die, or after they are raptured, is the "bema" seat, or the "judgment seat of Christ".
He does not judge SIN there, as that was Judged against Him ALREADY on The CROSS.
So, this "judgment", is for this...>"what did you do in my Body".
This is the rewards situation, where Christ will esteem our works we did for Him, all our lives, as being "wood, hay, or stubble", or Gold, Silver, or precious stones.

Look at this verse...

"
1 Corinthians 3:13

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest:= (JUDGED).. for the day= (bema seat) shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is."""

So, if you are in heaven, your work is over. You did it on earth, and now its being revealed and rewarded, in heaven.

The "fire" that reveals, is Christ looking at your works you did for Him, based on your HEART and your MOTIVE and your INTENT.
That is the "fire" that reveals if you served Him, with integrity, truth, and clean motive, or did you do some of your deeds for Christ so that people might give you praise, or you might get a PROMOTION in your Church..

Christ is going to look at your motives, for all you ever did for Him, and when they are pure, you get rewarded at "the judgement seat Of Christ".
If your deeds were self centered and done for vain glory, then you have the "wood, hay, stubble', that burn up in Christ's refining fire.
The born again are not harmed there....WE are blessed there, but we are also shown the rest.

fhansen · Jun 17, 2021

Clare73 said:
No, no, no, no. . .no. . .NO!

You do not understand Romans 2:1-3:8.

That "practical spiritual statement" was nothing but a curse! (Galatians 3:10)
Not a thing "practical" (practice-able) about it!

"No one will be declared righteous by observing the law." (Romans 3:20)

"By observing the law no one will be justified." (Galatians 2:16)

"Everyone who believes is justified from everything
you could not be justified from by the law of Moses." (Acts 13:39)

"The law brings wrath." (Romans 4:15)

"Those who rely on observing the law are under a curse. (Galatians 3:10)

"The power of sin to kill is the curse of the law." (1 Corinthians 15:56)

"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law." (Galatians 3:13)

The law was temporaraily added (Romans 5:20; Galatians 3:19) to the Abrahamic covenant of grace to teach us the meaning of sin--spiritual defilement.

It was not given to make righteous.

Why are you resisting the Scriptures?

"No, no, no, no. . .no. . .NO!" It means exactly what it says, and in context with the rest of the chapter. And aligns with the other passages I listed an the rest of Scripture to boot! Of course the law can't make us righteous, of course no one is justified by the law-but God gives us the power to fulfill it nonetheless-even if we never hear it. Why? Because "the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good" (Rom 7:12). The law isn't the problem-we are. What the law is powerless to do God can do, as we enter communion with Him via faith. Again:

“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest” Jer 31:33-34

So Paul again in Rom 7:6:
"...we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."

“And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." Rom 8:3-4

“Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.” Rom 8:12-13

"So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Gal 5:16-18

Why bother revising Sculpture? You already agree that we must be holy to enter heaven.
"Why are you resisting the Scriptures?"

Sidon · Jun 17, 2021

Hmm said:
The reason this is important is because how can I trust you to describe the God that you can't see when you can't describe the egg that you can?

Let me be more specific so that you can trust me.
np.
I'll never lie to you.
See, God is watching how i represent Him, so, ill always and only give His SON full credit for Salvation.
That is how you make the distinction between the Children of the Light and the Dark lights.
More about those "dark lights' another time.

Now, let me be perfectly clear about the SUN.

The Sun has 3 parts.

There is the MASS that you can see, so, that is the SUN.

But it has 3 parts.

Heat.
Light
and Light that you can't see.
That is Ultraviolet Light, which is known scientifically as ultraviolet radiation.
Have you ever had a sun-burn?
That is the invisible UV light, causing that situation.

So, thats the 3 parts.

heat
light
UV rays

fhansen · Jun 17, 2021

Sidon said:
You say.... the journey begins here, yet, ...... the born again are already "translated from darkness TO Light".. The born again are already "seated in heavenly places in Christ"...The born again are already IN the Kingdom of God.
So, the only journey the born again find, is to face the "evil day" each day, and "Put on the whole armor of God", and "STAND" ......as we are already in the world but not OF IT.

And they can just as easily untranslate themselves. They can leave the kingdom. Again, the will is never taken away from man.

“You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.” Rom 11:19-22

"If indeed they have escaped the corruption of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, only to be entangled and overcome by it again, their final condition is worse than it was at first. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than to have known it and then to turn away from the holy commandment passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.” 2 Pet 2:20-22

Clare73 · Jun 17, 2021

Sidon said:
Now lets look at what Paul teaches as our "sanctification".
Its this... 1 Corinthians 1:30.
Paul teaches that Jesus "IS BECOME" the sanctification of the born again.
This means that its COMPLETED.
Its completed by us being IN CHRIST, or as your blurb is stating, as "IN the Holy Spirit". See that "IN"?
That is not you doing it.

Right. . .as far as it goes. . .but what about the rest that Paul teaches in the Scriptures presented in post #977?
What are they, chopped liver?

Paul says in the very same epistle you quote, "those sanctified in Chirst are called to be holy."
(1 Corinthians 1:2)
You can't just skip over that, or waltz right by it like it doesn't exist.

And this takes us back to what I pointed out to you in the beginning as the source of your misunderstanding. . .the difference in sanctification (righteousness) between the

righteousness of justification (positional--right standing with God's justice--not guilty, sanctified) and

righteousness of sanctification (progressive--a process of growth in sancification/holiness),

both taught by Paul, which you just whizzed right on by as what. . .chopped liver?

In addition to being declared sanctified/holy through faith in Christ's atoning death on the cross (i.e., justification),
the NT likewise teaches being made sanctified/holy by the work of the Holy Spirit in the lives of believers (i.e., process of sanctification), through obedience in the Holy Spirit.

That is how those Pauline Scriptures presented in post #977 fit into your Pauline teaching. . .
if you have the ability to receive it.

Sidon · Jun 17, 2021

fhansen said:
And they can just as easily untranslate themselves. They can leave the kingdom. Again, the will is never taken away from man.

“You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness.

Salvation can't be "Lost"., as it was never found. Its a Gift that is given.
Reader......God isn't lost, you are, until you receive God's Gift of Salvation.
Salvation....is a Gift that is given. Its RECEIVED. You dont work to receive it, and you dont work to keep it.
A person can never stop being born., exactly as they can never stop being born again.

Go and tell your mother that you dont want to be born by her anymore.
Go and tell God you dont want to be born by Him anymore.

See that?
Take a good look until you get the revelation of : BORN AGAIN.

So, what you are trying to prove, fhansen, is that you have more power to lose your salvation, then God's Blood has the power to keep it for you, if you are born again, and not just water baptized.
.......Who taught you this awful theology? Get away from them.
Do you really want to play that game with God,???? ... when God told you that "where sin abounds, GRACE more abounds".
God's Blood is forgiveness for the world's sins....So, do you think that Same BLOOD has any issue with yours?

Do you really want to spin inside the circular reasoning rabbit hole trap that Legalist's play, when they want to believe that they have the ability to overrule God's Blood Atonement, that has made them "accepted in the Beloved" and "ONE with God"?

You need to think twice about trying to deny the Power of the Cross, on a Public forum, or in public.
I kid you not.

Now....Look at your verse carefully.
Notice...>"if we continue in HIS Kindness".

So, is God's "Kindness'"< something you do for yourself, flansen??
No? ??
Then why are you trying to keep yourself saved, when your own verse just told you that to remain in God, is to remain in HIS KINDNESS, and not your lawkeeping or commandment keeping or self effort or good works.
See, all of that is YOURS., and that is not "GOD Kindness".
"God's Kindness" is HIS., not yours.
See it?

Readers......MANY have substituted their own self effort, in place of GOD's KINDNESS.
Paul said these are "bewitched', "fallen from Grace", and "in the Flesh".
These are the SELF-Righteous.
To be "self righteous", is to try to make SELF......right with God by SELF.
This is LEGALISM.
It denies God's Grace, and replaces the Cross with SELF EFFORT.

Now look as your verse, .... specifically the phrase......"Provided you continue in = God's Kindness".
So, is that your law keeping? and your self effort, and your commandment keeping or anyone's "enduring to the end" by self effort ????
Is "God Kindness", YOU DOING IT for yourself?, as a WORK?
That is the "error of Cain" as described by JUDE.

Now listen..>"God Kindness" is "the gift of Salvation", and "the Gift of Righteousness" as the BLOOD ATONEMENT.
God's Kindness is JESUS on THE CROSS.
So, continue in THAT....as THAT is "God's Kindness"........and you are fulfilling and obeying the verse correctly.

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