How to walk in the Spirit.

Clare73 · Jun 17, 2021

Clare73 said:
Looks like you wrote your own Bible. . .my Bible has a whole lot more doctrine in it than just justification/salvation by faith.

Sidon said:
God accepts faith to save a person.
He accepts nothing else. John 14:6
This is why "faith is counted as righteousness, and Abraham is the Father of our Faith.....= Not our works, as works are not accepted by God to impart the New Birth.

Non-responsive. . .
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Hmm · Jun 17, 2021

Sidon said:
Come now with more of your theological comedy, and pretend ive "lost my credibility".

Lost?

Sidon · Jun 17, 2021

Clare73 said:
Most of us regard the Scriptures I presented as authoritative.
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Really now....
You just falsely insinuated that how you teach the verses you post, is "authoritative".
This comment reminds me of a Legalist that abuses this forum.. "Christianity Board" where he claims that he is the "pastor of the Forum".
He needs meds., is the problem, and some counseling.

Listen, any contradiction you post that denies the Grace of God as Eternal Security and Justification by faith, is teaching spiritual blindness to people.

You like to repost the same verses over and over and then say..."see", there is the proof".
But that only proves you like to post the same verses over and over, and then pretend you have proven a point.
It didnt prove it the first time, and it wont the next time.
But that wont stop you from your continuing redundancy.

Clare73 · Jun 17, 2021

Sidon said:
The bible is a spiritual book that
is revealed by Christ as our "spiritual discernment".

Clare73 said:
"our spiritual discernment" may be where you went off.

Sidon said:
If you own a NT< then read this verse.

"The word of God is spiritually discerned". 1 Corinthians 2:14

Actually, what v.14 says in the Greek interlinear is: "The natural (as opposed to the spiritual; i.e., unregenerated) man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."

However, I am not a natural (unregenerated) man, and I have the Spirit of God and, therefore, I am able to spiritually discern the things of the Holy Spirit.

And that applies to Paul's doctrine on sanctification through obedience in the Holy Spirit. . .

which doctrine has yet to edify us by your explanation of the Pauline Scriptures I've presented regarding it, while being true to their words.

Sidon · Jun 17, 2021

Clare73 said:
If they are prejorative "self effort," then you are saying the word of God contrdicts itself in them.
Not a good look on you.
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The NT looks really good on me.
Why? Because the blood of God that is the New Testament, is not being denied.

See, i dont have that issue, you do.

Listen, if all you have to talk about is "works', then can you take it to someone else?
Im not your springboard, for that theological deception.

Sidon · Jun 17, 2021

Clare73 said:
Actually, what v.14 says in the Greek .

You dont read koine greek or speak koine greek.
So dont pretend to teach what you dont read or speak., as when you do that, the members here smell the pretense.
Really.
See, its never a good idea to try to use what you can't actually read, as your replacement for a real Bible.

See it?
WE do.

Sidon · Jun 17, 2021

Clare73 said:
Non-responsive. . .

I responded to your comment that "My bible has more in it then"..

No need to repost the same again.

Sidon · Jun 17, 2021

Hmm said:
Lost?

No, are you?

Clare73 · Jun 17, 2021

Clare73 said:
If they are prejorative "self effort," then you are saying the word of God contradicts itself in those Pauline Scriptures.
Not a good look on you.

Sidon said:
The NT looks really good on me.
Why? Because the blood of God that is the New Testament, is not being denied.

Nor is Paul's revelation, your falsely-alleged "doctrine authority," being explained by you in the Pauline Sciptures I presented, being true to their words, in post #977.

Non-responsive.
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Sidon · Jun 17, 2021

Clare73 said:
Nor is Paul's revelation, your falsely-alleged "doctrine authority," being explained in the Pauline Sciptures I presented.

Non-responsive.

You are using verses that to you, make sense , to you, when you use them to try to deny What Paul Teaches.
And why does that happen to you? Its because you are not a student of Paul, and in fact never even thought about this your entire Christian LIFE, until i showed up here talking about "Pauline Theology", and how i only "teach Paul".

So, really..... you need to get down off your POV, and allow yourself to THINK MORE before you POST more redundant legalism.

Clare73 · Jun 17, 2021

Clare73 said:
Actually, what v.14 says in the Greek interlinear is:

Sidon said:
You dont read koine greek or speak koine greek.
So dont pretend to teach what you dont read or speak., as when you do that, the members here smell the pretense.

Paul's doctrine on sanctification through obedience in the Holy Spirit. . .post #977.
has yet to edify us by your explanation of the Pauline Scriptures, being true to their words, which I've presented regarding it.

Non-responsive.
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Clare73 · Jun 17, 2021

Sidon said:
No need to repost the same again.

Paul's doctrine on sanctification through obedience in the Holy Spirit. . .post #977
has yet to edify us by your explanation of the Pauline Scriptures, being true to their words, which I've presented regarding it.

Non-responsive.
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Clare73 · Jun 17, 2021

Sidon said:
You are using verses that to you, make sense , to you, when you use them to try to deny What Paul Teaches.

Paul's doctrine on sanctification through obedience in the Holy Spirit. . .post #977
has yet to edify us by your explanation of the Pauline Scriptures, being true to their words, which I've presented regarding it.

Non-responsive.
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Sidon · Jun 17, 2021

Clare73 said:
Nor is Paul's revelation, your falsely-alleged "doctrine authority," being explained by you in the Pauline Sciptures I presented.

Non-responsive.
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Also, just read my many Threads.
In them, ive explained Paul's doctrine, and also Paul's authority.
The fact that He wrote most of the NT, and all the Church Doctrine, should be a pretty obvious REVELATION.
But not to you, it seems.

Sidon · Jun 17, 2021

Clare73 said:
Non-responsive.

Yes, you were.
I said that you need to stop pretending to be a "greek authority", as you can't read or speak koine greek.
You had "no response".
And how could you, unless you tried to be dishonest.
So, that good.. You accepted the reality of your situaiton.
Now, live that out on this Forum and in your life.

Sidon · Jun 17, 2021

Clare73 said:
Non-responsive.

Is there a need for me to re-respond to your same cut and paste verses, 12 times?
I vote "no".

But, as i told you a few times Clare73, .. "ask me a question"< vs, posting your theology as your question.
Ask me a real one, and if i see it....i will respond.
np.

Sidon · Jun 17, 2021

Clare73 said:
Non-responsive.
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Here is my constant Response.

"all that call upon the name of Jesus, shall be saved".
"faith is counted as righteousness without works".
"the work of God is that you believe on JESUS whom God sent".

if you do that, God will give you the new birth

"present your body a living sacrifice" is now become the discipleship of all the born again.

Notice that Salvation and Discipleship, are not the same, exactly as "law and commandments" are not The Cross of Christ.

fhansen · Jun 17, 2021

Clare73 said:
Good job!

Biblical faith is not just an act of intellectual assent--that's fides.

Biblical faith is trusting in/counting on--that's fiduces (as in a fiduciary trust).

So are you lay, religious or cleric?

I'm a farmer-and a few other things not all of which should probably be mentioned in polite society. And, I know, Carpenters are better. So...in historical teachings I'm familiar with, the supernatural gifts of faith, hope, and love are defined as faith meaning intellectual assent, which is why even demons can believe, while hope means to actually place our trust and confidence in the truths of our faith, in God, and love is the consummation, the result, the goal, the capstone of it all that truly bonds us to Him.

But that's rather technical stuff. In common usage as well as other teachings I know of, yes, faith means to place our trust in God, perhaps combining faith with hope in that case. It can be taken and clarified even further, as implying relationship or union with God, the union man was made for and that Adam basically dismissed, not yet possessing an appreciation for it, for Him, in Eden. But that union isn't complete until the next life, when we'll know and love Him fully. It begins here, though, or should begin here, and our righteousness is fully achieved in any real and meaningful way to the extent that we love Him with our whole heart, soul, mind, and strength- and our neighbor as ourselves. Then our justice or righteousness would happen to be complete, confirmed, as absolute as can be for a created being. That love is what Adam lacked, which would've precluded his disobedience, which would've made disobedience absurd to him, in fact. Love takes time for us-and all the virtues can and should be grown in, for that matter.

Anyway, while I don't at all think that faith necessarily includes love, which means that it wouldn't, of itself, motivate the works which the new testament treats as being necessary, I can live, a bit uneasily, with an understanding that "true faith" is said to automatically and necessarily include those acts. There are some who understand Sola Fide to mean otherwise, where any obligation to be personally righteous and act accordingly is kept strictly distinct from faith as if one could lack those and still be faithful. As if the sheer act of faith, possibly even only at one time in the past, is sufficient to save a person.

Clare73 · Jun 17, 2021

Sidon said:
ive explained Paul's doctrine, and also Paul's authority.

Paul's doctrine on sanctification through obedience in the Holy Spirit. . .post #977
has yet to edify us by your explanation of the Pauline Scriptures, being true to their words, which I've presented regarding it.

Non-responsive.
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Clare73 · Jun 17, 2021

Sidon said:
you need to stop pretending to be a "greek authority", as you can't read or speak koine greek.

Paul's doctrine on sanctification through obedience in the Holy Spirit. . .post #977
has yet to edify us by your explanation of the Pauline Scriptures, being true to their words, which I've presented regarding it.

Non-responsive.
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