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He still can't figure out how to reconcile to his "Teaching" the 12 Pauline Scriptures I presented to him.
Something is amiss (translate: something is rotten in Denmark).
Looking good...
Doh!
For some reason, I wish I hadn't this morning.
That's the way the fallen angels think.Sidon said:Well, if i didn't understand that God is A Spirit ...the Holy Spirit, then i would feel the way you do, no doubt.
Ahem. . .that's Jerome. . .to be discussed later.That’s exactly what I said. They are copies they weren’t translated in to Greek. You said they were translated into Greek.
The Latin Vulgate was translated to Latin from the Greek texts by Gerome in the late 4th century. So your completely wrong.
Faith doesn't necessarily compel us to work, while love does. And we know the two are not the same.And that sets you in disagreement with Ephesians 2:8-9 because:
1) true faith always results in works, without them it is not true faith, it is counterfeit faith; and
Now you've failed to practice what you've preached, Clare, by not taking the rest of Scripture into consideration. We can't possibly be saved apart from God, that is obvious. But salvation is nonetheless worked out-with Him. There are way too many verses speaking of a believer's need to persevere, to strive, to be vigilant, perfect, holy, refrain from sin, put to death the deeds of the flesh, remain in Him, etc etc, to gain eternal life along with other verses that speak of the possibility of losing it. So we know that salvation is an ongoing thing, and that it involves what we do once we're justified.2) the text states: "through faith. . .not by works, so that no one can boast,"
because "Salvation is the Lord's!" (Revelation 7:10)--100%, to which we have nothing to add.
Your own proof text shows that it is faith working.Faith doesn't necessarily compel us to work, while love does. And we know the two are not the same.
"The only thing that counts is faith working through love." Gal 5:6
Are you sure about that?Now you've failed to practice what you've preached, Clare, by not taking the rest of Scripture into consideration.
But only through love. Again, it all begins with faith because faith is the doorway to He who is love, and who causes that love within us. But the two are not the same. Both are gifts, and human choices. And faith can exist without love.Your own proof text shows that it is faith working
Well, yes. I referenced some relevant reasons.Your own proof text shows that it is faith working.
Are you sure about that?
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As long as he's a genuine one. And remains there.
Faith doesn't necessarily compel us to work, while love does. And we know the two are not the same.
"The only thing that counts is faith working through love." Gal 5:6
Now you've failed to practice what you've preached, Clare, by not taking the rest of Scripture into consideration. We can't possibly be saved apart from God, that is obvious. But salvation is nonetheless worked out-with Him. There are way too many verses speaking of a believer's need to persevere, to strive, to be vigilant, perfect, holy, refrain from sin, put to death the deeds of the flesh, remain in Him, etc etc, to gain eternal life along with other verses that speak of the possibility of losing it. So we know that salvation is an ongoing thing, and that it involves what we do once we're justified.
"Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved." Acts 2:16
"Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved." Matt 24:12-13
In Ephesians Paul is focused on battling legalism, where works of the law, performed on my own under the old covenant mentality, was said to make one righteous in God's eyes-as Paul thought he was as a Pharisee. But either way only the righteous are truly righteous as John affirms:
"The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work." 1 John 1:7-8
And this true righteousness comes only by fellowship with Him, through faith IOW. So when Paul speaks of being saved he means to say that you've now entered the family of God, the only place of salvation. He does not mean that you can't lose that place in the family, that you can't forfeit/reject your saved status, by, yes, returning to the flesh, by grave sin as listed in Scripture, by being unrighteous. The elect are His, they will persevere- He'll lose none of them. We can't possibly predict that perseverance for ourselves, however-or know with 100% perfect certainty that we're among that number.
Your reward might show it, because much of your doctrine would be wood, hay and stubble.
Nope, I already understood why you don’t understand the interpretation of the scriptures, because you reject the interpretations from the men who were taught by the authors. These men didn’t have to read the scriptures and try to determine what the author meant because they were taught by the apostles themselves. They followed them and listened to them preach for years. Your whole theology is based on doctrines created by men over 1500 years after the scriptures were written who were trying to figure out what the authors were teaching. So yes I think it’s very helpful to examine the teachings of the student to determine the teachings of their teacher instead of ignoring what the student who talked and lived with the teachers on a daily basis actually wrote.
Paul isn't one of the 12.
Be more concise.
Share with the readers here that until '1961 the Catholic Church restricted their followers from reading the bible, and they were instructed to only ask their Priest for answers.
In 1961 they finally relented and "allowed" their followers to open a bible and search the scriptures.
'1961".
Yes, thank God.
He alone gives us Eternal life, and this life is "in His Son".
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And all the born again are : "IN CHRIST", where eternal life EXISTS.
Ezekiel 28:12-19, Isaiah 14, Jude 6, and 2 Peter 2:4
Thank you. I've appreciated his writings in the past-and that video accurately reflects the understanding of the ancient churches including the Catholic church.I'm sure you'll agree with what's being said in this short video:
Thank you. I've appreciated his writings in the past-and that video accurately reflects the understanding of the ancient churches including the Catholic church.
Incidentally, I forgot to mention that the last MacArthur video you posted wasn't half bad either-compared to some others I've seen. Not nearly the wisdom of Mr. Ware but it definitely contained some valuable elements of truth.
, to God seeing us as righteous regardless of whether or not we actually are, whether or not we sin or practice lawlessness
Rather juvenile. . .and self-serving. . .demonstrating no Biblical basis for one's argument.
Assertion without Biblical demonstration."
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