How to walk in the Spirit.

Sidon said:

So, work on that.

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Give me something to work on and I'll be happy to. Unfortunately I haven't seen anything yet other than some very confused ideas

Sidon said:

So, if you post now....>"i only believe that Jesus gets me into heaven" and then you write more posts to me or any posts to me that talk about "Keeping the law, and commandments", then i know you just lied to me, about "i only trust in Christ to get me to heaven".

There is your reality check.

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Thank you. And here's yours: I haven't once spoke about "Keeping the law, and commandments" in this thread.

Sidon said:

There is GOD

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Looking good...

Sidon said:

There is GOD, who has a "HOLY Spirit".

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Doh!

Sidon said:

Wake up.

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For some reason, I wish I hadn't this morning.

Sidon said:

If the only answer isn't JESUS......if its.......Well, i did this, and i tried to do that...then you are ether not born again, or you are fallen from Grace.

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What's happens if you die born again, but are fallen from Grace?

MMXX said:

Okay never mind then I guess. Personally righteous sounded like righteousness from self ie self-righteousness. Although 'the only one who can make you personally righteous is God' is what Sidon has been saying.

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No the only point I’ve made, repeatedly, is that God gives man actual, personal righteousness at justification, fulfilling the new covenant prophecy of Jer 31: “I will put My law in their minds and write it on their hearts”, whereas Sidon has maintained that a born again person is imputed to be righteous at justification, that God sees him as righteous or holy without regard to the person’s continued sin.

In my position righteousness is a gift that we must express and act on daily, overcoming sin, doing good, and it will grow, or we can refuse at any time. We’ll be judged on what we did with the gift, how we cooperated with God the Spirit in His work in us, with love as the goal, the very definition of the righteousness that only He can realize in us. Love is both a gift- and the criteria upon which we’ll be judged.

In the other position, personal, rather than imputed, righteousness or holiness should still result from being born again, without stating the reason or purpose since they maintain that such righteousness is not required in order to be saved but is more of a side effect of being born again. This is why some think salvation cant be lost, because in this case salvation is not connected to actual righteousness or sanctity in man as a result of justification. IOW, there’s no personal righteousness to compromise and lose since there’s none given to begin with. Man, with this position, isn’t justified by being made actually just or righteous, but rather by justice or righteousness being imputed to him. He’s not considered to be righteous by God because he is righteous, but only because God sees him as righteous. And this doesn’t really make sense though. If man cannot possibly be righteous anyway, then why would God even care if he “looks” righteous in His eyes?

In any case, historic Christianity teaches that, while God isn’t expecting total instant perfection in us, that is the ultimate goal, and the journey towards which He sets us upon now, as being His new creations. Again, He’s interested in who we are, who we’ve become as a result of entering His family, not in who we’re merely imputed to be. His purpose is to produce something, to realize the worth in us that we’ve been created to have, and even though He’s the source of it all, that worth is intrinsically coupled to how we willingly cooperate with Him in its realization. For example, a person who helps the “the least of these” as per Matt 25, without even knowing they were serving the Lord, ‘doing for Him’, demonstrates that very worth and the reason that they’re designated a sheep and not a goat.

Ligurian said:

James 2:19-20 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

But why do people insist that the devil and his angels are already cast out of heaven, when Daniel and Revelation both absolutely prove that event hasn't happened yet?

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Revelation 12:7-12 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

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Ezekiel 28:12-19, Isaiah 14, Jude 6, and 2 Peter 2:4

Sidon said:

Well, if i didn't understand that God is A Spirit ...the Holy Spirit, then i would feel the way you do, no doubt.

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God isn't the Holy Spirit. The Trinitarian God isn't anyway.

Sidon said:

What are you saying now?

The original version is the LETTERS the Apostles wrote.
The GREEK isn't the original ,its the translation of the Original letters, into the Greek.

Wake up.
Give me something in a post that shows you are thinking before you post.
Ok?
Thks.

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The Greek transcripts are not a translation they are copies of the originals. The New Testament was written in Greek by the original authors. And your telling me to wake up? This is elementary level common knowledge.

Sidon said:

Stop the nonsense.
You are lost in commentaries.
Everything you post is.....>"here is what i was told to think by a commentary, or an online source, or by some teacher, that isn't related to the NT".

You have to become a believer in something other than wrong theology.

Read Paul's epistles.
Stay away from everything else for a year.

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You are COMPLETELY LOST let’s get one thing straight here, I DON’T DO COMMENTARIES!! You’ll never find anything that I post copied and pasted from a commentary because I don’t need to have someone else explain to me what the word of God teaches because I’ve been studying it for almost a decade. The only thing that could possibly be considered a commentary that I might quote is writings from the earliest church writers as evidence of what they were taught by the apostles.

Sidon said:

You go to heaven.


See, the reason God came here to shed His own blood for the sin of the world, is so that He can take full responsibility for getting you to Heaven.

See, the beauty of God's Love, is that He offers HIS Salvation that becomes our Eternal Life, once we are "born again".

God is responsible for your salvation, as He created it on The Cross.

To be "born again" is to have received what God has done, 2000 yrs ago....as "the GIFT of salvation".

This is to be "made righteous".

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If being made righteous only means a change in status, a declared state, then why does God hold the damned accountable for being unrighteous? Where’s the love for them? If faith is the only dividing line, the only criteria, with personal, actual righteousness having no role to play in attaining our eternal destinies, then why bother making even a declared righteousness a criteria?

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Sidon said:

Stop the nonsense.
You are lost in commentaries.
Everything you post is.....>"here is what i was told to think by a commentary, or an online source, or by some teacher, that isn't related to the NT".

You have to become a believer in something other than wrong theology.

Read Paul's epistles.
Stay away from everything else for a year.

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You make these false accusations against me and fail to provide a shred of evidence to support them. You failed to present the text that says God is A Spirit in either 1 Timothy 3:16 or John 4:24 BECAUSE IT DOESN’T EXIST. You just completely exposed your ignorance by saying that the original writings weren’t even written in Greek. You think the KJV is a “real Bible”? The KJV was translated from the Textus Receptus which doesn’t have the word “A” in either one of those verses. So like I said before IT WAS ADDED IN BY THE TRANSLATORS. Now you either show me a version of the Textus Receptus that has the word “A” in those verses or stop with the false accusations if you can’t provide any evidence to back them up.