How to spot the Devil

[biblelesson]

Just so I understand. Keeping the commandments cannot be a fruit of the Spirit?

Why not?

 

[fhansen]

Why not?

No reason a I can think of. Thanks.

 

[Sidon]

Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto His Disciples, If any [man] will come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.

Following Jesus wont determine if you are really His.
To actually be "in Christ" you have to be born again.
That's how you "follow him". That's how you "abide" IN Him.
The rest is just religious self effort, pretense...... fake fruit.
You know what i mean.

 

[Sidon]

Are you suggesting Jesus is a liar and a sinner? I sure hope not!

Its not a suggestion ..
Its a fact that Jesus healed on Shabbat.
And not just once.

 

[Sidon]

Don't you think that those in Matthew 7:21-23 called upon the name of the Lord when they prayed?

No.

See, God has promised that...>"all that call on the name of Jesus, shall be saved".

So, if you are not, then you didnt do that.....and that is why thousands of people who are water baptized and went to church for 40 yrs, went to hell today.
They were never born again.
What they had was religion. Church membership. Good works.

God does not accept that to accept you.
He only accepts His own blood shed for you, to accept you, and you only get that by being "born again".
John 14:6

 

[Sidon]

"All" does not mean "all men

It means "all who call on the name of Jesus, shall be saved".

So, that is without exception.

 

[Sidon]

I disagree.
It says that God loved the "world", and further defines that world as the "whosoever believeth" ( John 17:2 ).

Thats not right.

Its like this....The CROSS is offered to the WORLD.
"all who will come".

But the blood of God shed on The CROSS, is not applied to the World, its only OFFERED to us all.

God says......come all.
But not all will come.
Yet, all who do, will be saved.

 

[Sidon]

That said, it seems to me that you aren't willing to believe His every word, sir, and that saddens me.

You've been taught hyper-calvinism and you are a part of that religious system.
So, im not.
On this we can agree.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Its not a suggestion ..
Its a fact that Jesus healed on Shabbat.
And not just once.

Which is not a sin according to Jesus, so you are sounding like one of the Pharisee's.

 

[Sidon]

Which is not a sin according to Jesus, so you are sounding like one of the Pharisee's.

Jesus is the Lord of Shabbat.
So, even tho the Pharisees accused Him of doing work by healing on Shabbat, He was in fact, not.

He told these religious sabbath keeping FAKIRS........"if one of you loses a sheep on the sabbath, will you not go and look for it"?
And of course these sabbath keeping FAKIRS, could only look around at each other and stay really quiet.
I think thats best, dont you agree?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Jesus is the Lord of Shabbat.
So, even tho the Pharisees accused Him of doing work by healing on Shabbat, He was in fact, not.

He told these religious sabbath keeping FAKIRS........"if one of you loses a sheep on the sabbath, will you not go and look for it"?
And of course these sabbath keeping FAKIRS, could only look around at each other and stay really quiet.
I think thats best, dont you agree?

Well you contradicted yourself previously when you said Jesus broke the Sabbath.

I agree, Jesus kept God's Sabbath and told us to keep all of God's laws. John 15:10

 

[Ligurian]

Why not?

Good question, right? The two very different gospels are confusing the issues all across the board. Jesus says in Matthew 7:24-25 that the fruit is works... hearing won't do any good at all if you don't put the pedal to the metal. It all hangs on that word anomia... which is literally without law... poorly translated as iniquity. Works without law, Matthew 7:23.

 

[Ligurian]

Well you contradicted yourself previously when you said Jesus broke the Sabbath.

I agree, Jesus kept God's Sabbath and told us to keep all of God's laws. John 15:10

Jesus says He kept the commandments of the Father, and spells out what He means:

John 12:44 "Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on Me, believeth not on Me, but on him that sent Me. 45 And he that seeth Me seeth Him that sent Me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on Me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear My words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak."

And if you think about it, these words from the Father are the commandments that Jesus gave to His Galilean Disciples... who then passed them on the world.

 

[Ligurian]

Following Jesus wont determine if you are really His.

Thanks for the advice, but Jesus says the opposite is true.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Jesus says He kept the commandments of the Father, and spells out what He means:

John 12:44 "Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on Me, believeth not on Me, but on him that sent Me. 45 And he that seeth Me seeth Him that sent Me. 46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on Me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if any man hear My words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak."

And if you think about it, these words from the Father are the commandments that Jesus gave to His Galilean Disciples... who then passed them on the world.

Jesus kept all of the commandments, not just some of them. Jesus even quoted directly from God’s Ten. Mathew 19:17-19.

 

[Neogaia777]

It is always lawful to do a good thing, any good thing, work or not, on the Sabbath day, or any other day of the week, was more Jesus point in the matter, etc, and it was not breaking the law, etc...

Mark 3:1-6- "And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand. And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him. And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth. And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace. And when he had looked round about on them with "anger", being "grieved for the hardness of their hearts", he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other. And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him."

Again, the "letter" of it versus the "Spirit" of it/them or behind them, etc...

Also like with what Jesus pointed out also about murder and adultery also, etc...

And how people deceive themselves with the letter of it/them, because sin starts in the heart with any and/or all of any of the commandments, etc...

And that, cannot be expressed or fully shown out in all it's details fully by the letter, etc...

The Pharisees could supposedly keep the letter of it/them, and think they were innocent and blameless, etc, but in all reality they 100% absolutely were not, and did not keep them because the 100% totally missed out on the Spirit of it/them, and their hearts were still uncircumcised, because they had not let the true law circumcise them yet, by allowing it to kill them, etc, their old man, old personality, etc, so they could come to Jesus and be born again of water and Spirit, etc, which was the OT law covenants true purpose, (see my earlier posts, etc), to make all become guilty before God so they could come to Jesus and be washed by Him and made clean and be truly born again, etc...

Beyond that the OT letter of the law covenant has no other purpose, etc, so some totally miss it, and miss out, and miss the point, etc... That it was to point out God righteousness against our own self-righteousness, etc, to the point to where we would admit our own (righteousness/self-righteousness) is "far far inferior", and never was really ever at all really true righteousness at all to ever begin with, etc, but only our extreme sinfulness and very bad and wicked and evil sinful nature, etc, that we would ever think our own righteousness, that would come by the OT law, would ever fully meet or exceed God's ever at all, etc, on our own, etc...

And the whole of it, the OT law covenant, when not seen correctly, would show our greatest number one sin of all, etc...

And would even make it even worse, or even much more exceedingly sinful, etc, like it did in time with people like the Pharisees by the time we get to the NT, etc...

Same sin of Satan the Devil BTW, which might be why Jesus said that one was their true father in their hearts maybe, etc...?

For he still, "still", even down to this very selfsame day, thinks he is better than others, and that he is more righteous, in his own self-righteousness, than God, etc, still think He is more right, or more superior still, etc, has a superior morality or moral code, and he just won't let it go fully yet still, etc, "even yet still", etc...

Anyway, so I hope by now you see the OT law's true purpose by now, etc...

And if not I might say more "maybe", or "maybe" I might not...

Anyway,

God Bless!

 

[BNR32FAN]

God chooses (accepts) """"ALL who call on the name of Jesus shall be saved.""

"ALL" will never become "only the "elect", the way Calvin twisted the verse.

ALL will mean "EVERYONE", for as long as God lives.

John 3:16, says that "whosoever, will believe", and that will never mean..>"just a few of the elect".

Calvinism, can. be ultra harmful.....especially when a person has gone off the deep end into "hyper Calvinism" ...which is a theological cancer on the Body of Christ that needs to be cut off.

If Calvin was correct the no one should even consider turning to God or worry about accepting Christ because it’s not their decision. They ultimately have no choice in the matter either way. According to Calvin a person cannot believe unless they are predestined to nor can a person fail to believe if they are predestined to. So apparently everyone should just live their life however they want to and not worry about it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

He was accused of not keeping the sabbath because He didn't keep it.
And He purposely healed in front of these religious sabbath keeping fakirs, to show them..

"I am the LORD of the Sabbath".

See, the law is lower than God.
God is the FINAL Authority, not the Law or Commandments.

God does not need any of that, as God is RIGHTEOUSNESS and HOLINESS, Itself.
Its man that was given the law and the 10, by MOSES.....so that we can understand that we are NOT HOLY..
"all have fallen shot"..."None are righteous, no not ONE".
This knowledge, brings us to the place where we repent of our unbelief, and receive the Righteousness of God, that IS our Salvation.

"Born again".

Jesus being fully God and fully man kept God’s commandments. God never gave a commandment forbidding healing on the Sabbath. The problem was that the Jews had to define what God considered to be work and they got it wrong. Jesus simply corrected them on this mistake.

 

[Neogaia777]

Jesus being fully God and fully man kept God’s commandments. God never gave a commandment forbidding healing on the Sabbath. The problem was that the Jews had to define what God considered to be work and they got it wrong. Jesus simply corrected them on this mistake.

And He redefined it as" "Any good thing period, whether it be a work, or not work, or not, etc, is always lawful on any day", and, "Any bad thing or evil work or wicked deed, work or not, etc, is always not ever lawful on any day period always", etc, and that was the way he "redefined it", etc...

So was that going against the commandment, etc...?

God Bless!

 

[BNR32FAN]

And He redefined it as" "Any good thing period, whether it be a work, or not work, or not, etc, is always lawful on any day", and, "Any bad thing or evil work or wicked deed, work or not, etc, is always not ever lawful on any day period always", etc, and that was the way he "redefined it", etc...

So was that going against the commandment, etc...?

God Bless!

well let’s examine the commandment.

““Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:8-11‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Nope, I don’t see any contradiction to the actual commandment that was given regarding the Sabbath.