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So apparently everyone should just live their life however they want to and not worry about it.

Not necessarily always true, for the number one reason of "we don't know", etc, and "we don't know" "for any of us", etc, and won't until we finally get there, etc...

So in the meantime, "we don't know", etc...

And need to proceed always accordingly, etc...

Which means we should all always work towards righteousness, seek to bring others into the fold, proclaim the good news of God's Kingdom, etc, give everyone an always equal share of always each equally the benefit of the doubt, etc, etc, etc, don't judge, etc, love, etc, because "we don't know", etc, and won't, about anyone or anything, until we finally get there, etc...

God Bless!
 
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It is always lawful to do a good thing, any good thing, work or not, on the Sabbath day, or any other day of the week, was more Jesus point in the matter, etc, and it was not breaking the law, etc...

Mark 3:1-6- "And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand. And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him. And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth. And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace. And when he had looked round about on them with "anger", being "grieved for the hardness of their hearts", he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other. And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him."

Again, the "letter" of it versus the "Spirit" of it/them or behind them, etc...

Also like with what Jesus pointed out also about murder and adultery also, etc...

And how people deceive themselves with the letter of it/them, because sin starts in the heart with any and/or all of any of the commandments, etc...

And that, cannot be expressed or fully shown out in all it's details fully by the letter, etc...

The Pharisees could supposedly keep the letter of it/them, and think they were innocent and blameless, etc, but in all reality they 100% absolutely were not, and did not keep them because the 100% totally missed out on the Spirit of it/them, and their hearts were still uncircumcised, because they had not let the true law circumcise them yet, by allowing it to kill them, etc, their old man, old personality, etc, so they could come to Jesus and be born again of water and Spirit, etc, which was the OT law covenants true purpose, (see my earlier posts, etc), to make all become guilty before God so they could come to Jesus and be washed by Him and made clean and be truly born again, etc...

Beyond that the OT letter of the law covenant has no other purpose, etc, so some totally miss it, and miss out, and miss the point, etc... That it was to point out God righteousness against our own self-righteousness, etc, to the point to where we would admit our own (righteousness/self-righteousness) is "far far inferior", and never was really ever at all really true righteousness at all to ever begin with, etc, but only our extreme sinfulness and very bad and wicked and evil sinful nature, etc, that we would ever think our own righteousness, that would come by the OT law, would ever fully meet or exceed God's ever at all, etc, on our own, etc...

And the whole of it, the OT law covenant, when not seen correctly, would show our greatest number one sin of all, etc...

And would even make it even worse, or even much more exceedingly sinful, etc, like it did in time with people like the Pharisees by the time we get to the NT, etc...

Same sin of Satan the Devil BTW, which might be why Jesus said that one was their true father in their hearts maybe, etc...?

For he still, "still", even down to this very selfsame day, thinks he is better than others, and that he is more righteous, in his own self-righteousness, than God, etc, still think He is more right, or more superior still, etc, has a superior morality or moral code, and he just won't let it go fully yet still, etc, "even yet still", etc...

Anyway, so I hope by now you see the OT law's true purpose by now, etc...

And if not I might say more "maybe", or "maybe" I might not...

Anyway,

God Bless!
Jesus was teaching about the Sabbath and kept God's Sabbath if you read the NT. The commandments are part of an eternal covenant Psalms 89:34 and the Sabbath will continue forever as promised by our Savior. Exodus 31:16. Isaiah 66:23

The differences between the covenants is the promises. Israel broke the covenant, not God. God wrote His laws in our hearts in the New Covenant Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. God's laws now written in our hearts which includes the 4th commandment that God asked us to REMEMBER. Exodus 20:8-11 Jesus and God's laws are not at odds with each other, Jesus came to do the will of the Father. James 6:38 In the New Covenant Jesus is our High Priest and we are no longer to sacrifice animals as Jesus was our perfect sacrifice for us. Jesus said, if we love Him, keep His commandments John:14:15 and asks so little from us for what He sacrificed. God bless
 
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well let’s examine the commandment.

““Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:8-11‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Nope, I don’t see any contradiction to the actual commandment that was given regarding the Sabbath.
Well, how about you examine this for context, and you tell me what Jesus was trying to say then, OK...?

Mark 3:1-6- "And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand. And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him. And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth. And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace. And when he had looked round about on them with "anger", being "grieved for the hardness of their hearts", he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other. And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him."

But I think I already just told you, etc...

And it was not to ever get all "hung up" on what was a "labor" or "work" or whatever or not, cause that was most definitely not Jesus point, etc, and Jesus point actually was, that in that them making it all about that, etc, they were altogether missing the point (and sinning) altogether entirely, etc...

Missing the "Spirit" of it/them, etc...

God Bless!
 
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Not necessarily always true, for the number one reason of "we don't know", etc, and "we don't know" "for any of us", etc, and won't until we finally get there, etc...

So in the meantime, "we don't know", etc...

And need to proceed always accordingly, etc...

Which means we should all always work towards righteousness, seek to bring others into the fold, proclaim the good news of God's Kingdom, etc, give everyone an always equal share of always each equally the benefit of the doubt, etc, etc, etc, don't judge, etc, love, etc, because "we don't know", etc, and won't, about anyone or anything, until we finally get there, etc...

God Bless!

Whether we know if we are elected or not, according to Calvin’s doctrines, is irrelevant.
 
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Well, how about you examine this for context, and you tell me what Jesus was trying to say then, OK...?

Mark 3:1-6- "And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand. And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him. And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth. And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace. And when he had looked round about on them with "anger", being "grieved for the hardness of their hearts", he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other. And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him."

But I think I already just told you, etc...

And it was not to ever get all "hung up" on what was a "labor" or "work" or whatever or not, cause that was most definitely not Jesus point, etc, and Jesus point actually was, that in that them making it all about that, etc, they were altogether missing the point (and sinning) altogether entirely, etc...

Missing the "Spirit" of it/them, etc...

God Bless!

I think perhaps you misunderstood me, I was agreeing with you. No commandment was ever given forbidding anyone from doing good works on the Sabbath.
 
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Jesus was teaching about the Sabbath and kept God's Sabbath if you read the NT. The commandments are part of an eternal covenant Psalms 89:34 and the Sabbath will continue forever as promised by our Savior. Exodus 31:16. Isaiah 66:23

The differences between the covenants is the promises. Israel broke the covenant, not God. God wrote His laws in our hearts in the New Covenant Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. God's laws now written in our hearts which includes the 4th commandment that God asked us to REMEMBER. Exodus 20:8-11 Jesus and God's laws are not at odds with each other, Jesus came to do the will of the Father. James 6:38 In the New Covenant Jesus is our High Priest and we are no longer to sacrifice animals as Jesus was our perfect sacrifice for us. Jesus said, if we love Him, keep His commandments John:14:15 and asks so little from us for what He sacrificed. God bless
There is a clear difference between the letter of the OT law covenant, and it's Spirit, which Jesus pointed out all too plainly many many times, etc, and it is the Spirit of them that is written on or in our hearts and not the letter of them, etc, for the letter only kills, but the Spirit gives life, etc...

God Bless!
 
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I think perhaps you misunderstood me, I was agreeing with you. No commandment was ever given forbidding anyone from doing good works on the Sabbath.
Sorry, didn't realize you were trying to agree with me, etc...

But are there conditions where it could be labor or work, but because it is maybe for a very good thing or reason or point or purpose, it was not breaking the commandment, because it was a very good thing, or maybe a very much needed and very necessary things, etc...?

Jesus used the example of getting you donkey out of a pit it had fallen into, etc, and I would think that would take some labor or work, maybe by many men, to get that donkey out of there, or out of that pit maybe, etc...

Many peoples livelihood were tied to their animals in those days, and if there was an emergency, and if you didn't take care of it say on a Sabbath day, but if you didn't take care of it, people might have not even be able to survive, etc, then I wouldn't think it would matter in that case if it was a work or not maybe, etc...?

I don't know, what do you think, etc...?

Any exceptions to the rules at all ever, etc...?

God Bless!
 
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Whether we know if we are elected or not, according to Calvin’s doctrines, is irrelevant.
Well, it might be irrelevant to him and "his doctrines", but it's not to me when it comes to God foreknowing and foreknowledge and predestination, etc...

I don't know if Calvin thought them through enough, if that's irrelevant to his doctrines, etc...?

Anyway,

God Bless!
 
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There is a clear difference between the letter of the OT law covenant, and it's Spirit, which Jesus pointed out all too plainly many many times, etc, and it is the Spirit of them that is written on or in our hearts and not the letter of them, etc, for the letter only kills, but the Spirit gives life, etc...

God Bless!
Are you saying the spirit of the law deletes the letter?
 
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Are you saying the spirit of the law deletes the letter?
No, I'm not actually, and I'm actually saying that it supersedes it, or takes it even higher, stricter, harder to attain to, etc...

That much I feel I'm sure of, as I think Jesus actually tells us they are/were, etc, but the part that I'm wondering about or am not so sure about is if there are ever times when fully obeying the new "higherness" of them, the "Spirit" of them, etc, ever seems to go against the letter of it/them maybe? maybe in certain exceptional cases sometimes maybe, etc, not all but some few maybe, etc...?

But I still do believe, that either by the letter or Spirit of them, etc, they are only initially met to show us just how much we need Jesus because we don't fully live up to them, at least not at the start anyway, and especially when trying to be done all by ourselves or in our own strength only afterwards, etc, and should never be sought to obey in any kind of way period in order that, so by that, etc, somehow showing ourselves more approved or better than others by that ever, etc, cause that is actually sin, etc, which is what I think I see "a lot", etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!
 
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No, I'm not actually, and I'm actually saying that it supersedes it, or takes it even higher, stricter, harder to attain to, etc...

That much I feel I'm sure of, as I think Jesus actually tells us they are/were, etc, but the part that I'm wondering about or am not so sure about is if there are ever times when fully obeying the new "higherness" of them, the "Spirit" of them, etc, ever seems to go against the letter of it/them maybe? maybe in certain exceptional cases sometimes maybe, etc, not all but some few maybe, etc...?

But I still do believe, that either by the letter or Spirit of them, etc, they are only initially met to show us just how much we need Jesus because we don't fully live up to them, at least not at the start anyway, and especially when trying to be done all by ourselves or in our own strength only afterwards, etc, and should never be sought to obey in any kind of way period in order that, so by that, etc, somehow showing ourselves more approved or better than others by that ever, etc, cause that is actually sin, etc, which is what I think I see "a lot", etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

I agree with a lot of what you wrote. Jesus made the example where He takes the law to a higher, stricter point when He said He did not come to destroy the laws, that we should be teaching each other to keep the commandments and than stated murder begins in the heart. Mathew 5:17-30 We should guard our thoughts as this is where it starts! Keeping God's laws should never be boastful and there is a difference of pointing out God's laws and being boastful about it. All of this is something we will have to face consequences if not repented when He comes again. I for one am looking forward to no more sin. The world is destroying itself. God bless
 
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Jesus being fully God and fully man kept God’s commandments. God never gave a commandment forbidding healing on the Sabbath.

Shabbat is not a day that a jew could "work", in the OT.
Jesus healed in front of religious jews, on purpose, on Shabbat.
And they waited for Him to do it, to "accuse" Him.
This is Mark 3

Also, being obsessed on Shabbat keeping is one more situation that defines a hyper religious person who has no understanding of "made righteous".
 
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If Calvin was correct the no one should even consider turning to God or worry about accepting Christ because it’s not their decision.\.

Well, Calvin was not acquainted with John 3:16.

I ignore Calvin, is my point of View.

I Teach Pauline Theology, because Jesus gave this to Paul, personally.
 
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Thanks for the advice, but Jesus says the opposite is true.

Not according to Paul.
But only according to you.
And you say you gave up all this , a long time ago, so, this explains your theology that has no use for Paul, or "The Gift of Righteousness".
 
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Works without law, Matthew 7:23.

What you said makes no theological sense.

So lets try this..
God's Blood is Christ on the Cross.
That is the ONLY >WAY< To God.
There is no other >way< offered.
John 14:6
 
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Shabbat is not a day that a jew could "work", in the OT.
Jesus healed in front of religious jews, on purpose, on Shabbat.
And they waited for Him to do it, to "accuse" Him.
This is Mark 3

Also, being obsessed on Shabbat keeping is one more situation that defines a hyper religious person who has no understanding of "made righteous".

This comes down to how one defines “work”. Since we know that Jesus kept His Father’s commandments then it’s quite evident that Jesus healing on the Sabbath was not breaking God’s commandment.
 
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Jesus kept all of the commandments, not just some of them. Jesus even quoted directly from God’s Ten. Mathew 19:17-19.

If you are going to say that Jesus kept all 613, you will need proof... because some of those commandments were said by the Father to be tests... and some of those commandments are completly rewritten by Jesus Himself... and therefore, Jesus couldn't have kept those ones even if He'd wanted to. ... But when Jesus says He kept His Father's commandments, He's pointing at John 12:48-50... which is a restatement of this:

Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee(Moses), and will put My words in His mouth; and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command Him. 19 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto My words which He shall speak in My name, I will require [it] of him.

I feel sorry for those people who don't listen to either warning.
 
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This comes down to how one defines “work”.

A dark light, or a deceiver, redefines Salvation, as "what YOU do".

A Child of the Light, explains Salvation, as Christ explained it.. He said..>"Its ME"... John 14:6
 
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A dark light, or a deceiver, redefines Salvation, as "what YOU do".

A Child of the Light, explains Salvation, as Christ explained it.. He said..>"Its ME"... John 14:6

Hey you can call Jesus a liar if you want to but don’t expect me to agree with you. If He said that He has kept The Father’s commandments then you can bet everything you own on it and rest assured your going to win that bet without a doubt.
 
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Well you contradicted yourself previously when you said Jesus broke the Sabbath.

Ive not contradicted myself.
Be honest...

I said that Jesus is the Lord of The Shabbat.
And for the purpose of proving it to religious fakirs who obsess on the "sabbath", He did works on the Sabbath., and not just once.
 
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