How to spot the Devil

[Sidon]

Specifically, Romans 8:29-30 teaches that those who were foreknown, were predestinated conformed to the image of His Son.

That verse says that the born again are predestined to be conformed into the image of Christ.

It does not say that only the elect are allowed to be saved.

 

[Sidon]

While I respect your efforts at trying to teach me otherwise, I know what the Bible teaches.

Faith ELECTS
God redeems.

 

[Sidon]

Paul delivered the Gospel, which includes their being chosen by God, .

God chooses (accepts) """"ALL who call on the name of Jesus shall be saved.""

"ALL" will never become "only the "elect", the way Calvin twisted the verse.

ALL will mean "EVERYONE", for as long as God lives.

John 3:16, says that "whosoever, will believe", and that will never mean..>"just a few of the elect".

Calvinism, can. be ultra harmful.....especially when a person has gone off the deep end into "hyper Calvinism" ...which is a theological cancer on the Body of Christ that needs to be cut off.

 

[HTacianas]

Read my Threads and my Posts.
And perceive that im well acquainted with the Blood of Jesus.
By THAT Fruit, you shall know me.

The DEVIL will never teach the Cross, as i Do, and His ministers will never teach what i teach.

So, its not up to me to prove it to you.
Its up to you to learn how to see truth and hear deception.
Until you can do that, you'll wonder about me.
Thats on you, not on me.

Go to my "spot the Devil" Threads and learn how to hear the devil's gospel.
I teach you how.

Actually I'm not going to wonder about you at all. I've heard it all before. Someone stands up and says something that's clearly wrong then claims to have the truth. And that's about it.

 

[Sidon]

@Sidon :

So, knowing how to spot the devil is to know one's Bible,

Knowing how to spot the devil's ministers is to understand the Gospel of Grace, perfectly.
This is "Paul's Gospel".
Learn what that is, and live in this verse..... Hebrews 13:9.....and you can then hear the false gospel when a dark light teaches it .

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Whenever I read comments about deception it's about the kind of deception that could trick 10s, 100s or 1000s of people. I never read anything about deception that could trick millions or billions of people.

It already happened!

God wrote this with His own hand!

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Jesus said:
Mark 2:7 “The Sabbath was made for man,

The change in God's Sabbath day was predicted in the Bible:
Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws:

The only law that is a time is the Sabbath day. 4th commandment (law) and times (every seventh day).

Quotes from the Roman Catholic Church:

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

Protestants ... accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change... But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that ... in observing Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the Church, the pope.
—Our Sunday Visitor, February 5th, 1950.

A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the Seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174

The question is do you continue to obey man, which Jesus warned us about Mathew 15:9 or follow God's Word.

God bless!

 

[Sidon]

How could I trick millions of people?

.

Mllions of people went to hell since The Cross was Raised.
Thousands went to hell today.
Why?
Because they were deceived.
That's Satan's work, and he has his people working tirelessly to cause it.

 

[Sidon]

Actually I'm not going to wonder about you at all. I've heard it all before. Someone stands up and says something that's clearly wrong then claims to have the truth. And that's about it.

You just described yourself.
Dont realize it, do you.
Think on that, till you do.

 

[Sidon]

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Jesus didn't keep it, and He's God.

Jesus healed on the Sabbath, and not just once.... just to shut the mouths of religious fakirs, who were watching Him do it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Jesus didn't keep it, and He's God.

Jesus healed on the Sabbath, and not just once.... just to shut the mouths of religious fakirs, who were watching Him do it.

Not only did Jesus keep the Sabbath Luke 4:16 He was accused by the Pharisees of breaking God's Sabbath, which He did not therefore was keeping the Sabbath and told us to as well. John 15:10.

The bible is a big book and there is more than just Paul's writings, but Paul also told us to obey God's laws.

1 Corinthians 7:19 but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Jesus came to do the will of His Father John 6:38, Jesus and God does not have different wills.

 

[Sidon]

Not only did Jesus keep the Sabbath Luke 4:16 He was accused by the Pharisees of breaking God's Sabbath,

He was accused of not keeping the sabbath because He didn't keep it.
And He purposely healed in front of these religious sabbath keeping fakirs, to show them..

"I am the LORD of the Sabbath".

See, the law is lower than God.
God is the FINAL Authority, not the Law or Commandments.

God does not need any of that, as God is RIGHTEOUSNESS and HOLINESS, Itself.
Its man that was given the law and the 10, by MOSES.....so that we can understand that we are NOT HOLY..
"all have fallen shot"..."None are righteous, no not ONE".
This knowledge, brings us to the place where we repent of our unbelief, and receive the Righteousness of God, that IS our Salvation.

"Born again".

 

[SabbathBlessings]

He was accused of not keeping the sabbath because He didn't keep it.
And He purposely healed in front of these religious sabbath keeping fakirs, to show them..

"I am the LORD of the Sabbath".

See, the law is lower than God.
God is the FINAL Authority, not the Law or Commandments.

God does not need any of that, as God is RIGHTEOUSNESS and HOLINESS, Itself.
Its man that was give the law and the 10, so that we can understand that we are NOT HOLY.
This knowledge, brings us to the place where we repent of our unbelief, and receive the Righteousness of God, that IS our Salvation.

"Born again".

Are you suggesting Jesus is a liar and a sinner? I sure hope not!

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Jesus was showing us how to keep the Sabbath and taught about the Sabbath all throughout the NT. Jesus said we are to do good on the Sabbath Mathew 12:12, healing people from sin is not breaking God's Sabbath. The Pharisees added extra rules to God's Sabbath and Jesus was teaching what Sabbath was really about. I would recommended reading the NT, it explains and talks about all of this

You also post a lot of opinions without scripture references. If we are trying to focus on our Savior and not our own works, its really important to provide references as all Glory should be on God's Word, because He is our Creator and Redeemer. Everything must be tested by scriptures, which is how we know we are following God and not the devil.

 

[The Liturgist]

Really? How about Catholic priests? (Or are you just ranting about Protestants?)

Most large denominations have good controls in place to prevent the abuse @Joined2krist reported - it sounded to me like she was talking about non-denominational evangelists.

Now here is a fun fact: the canon laws of the early church prohibit under penalty of defrocking or demotion, clergy from hitting or slapping anyone, to try to cause repentance or for any other reason, from misappropriating donations from laity, and for acting as the manager of a layman’s finances or estate, because of the risk of them abusing their position of trust to get such a job and then ripping off the layman. The ancient church, and the Orthodox Churches, also require people to get married or commit to celibacy before being ordained past the rank of Reader (so Subdeacons, Deacons, Priests and Bishops cannot use their office and the prestige that comes with it to seduce and wed a vulnerable congregant who would otherwise not be drawn to them).

 

[Navair2]

God chooses (accepts) """"ALL who call on the name of Jesus shall be saved.""

Don't you think that those in Matthew 7:21-23 called upon the name of the Lord when they prayed?
Yet He will say to them, " I never knew you".

No my friend, all who call upon Him in truth ( Psalms 145:18, John 4:24, Proverbs 15:29, Psalms 119:2 )...
All who call upon Him out of a pure heart (2 Timothy 2:22)...
Shall be saved.

That is what the rest of God's word teaches.

Stated another way, many people call upon Him every day, and do not know Him.
Their hearts were never changed by Him, and they still love this world and its ways.

Simply "calling upon Him" does not save anyone.

 

[Navair2]

"ALL" will never become "only the "elect", the way Calvin twisted the verse.

ALL will mean "EVERYONE", for as long as God lives.

"All" does not mean "all men" everywhere that we see it in the Scriptures.

For example, 2 Corinthians 5:15, John 12:32, Titus 2:11, 1 Timothy 2:4, Romans 5:18, Luke 3:6 and many others define "all" by their context, similar to "every man" in Hebrews 2:9 being defined further in Hebrews 2:10-18.

However,
What you believe and teach is entirely up to you.

 

[Navair2]

John 3:16, says that "whosoever, will believe", and that will never mean..>"just a few of the elect".

I disagree.
It says that God loved the "world", and further defines that world as the "whosoever believeth" that shall never perish.

Other Scriptures ( Matthew 13, Mark 4, Luke 8 ) tell us that people will believe for a while, and then fall away.
Others will "believe" and never be led into all truth, never grow, spiritually, and never cease to love this world.
They will go back to it instead of forsaking it, in their hearts...

Showing that they never really did believe to the saving of the soul, as they did not endure in the faith.

Were they also saved and part of the "whosoever believeth"?

Calvinism, can. be ultra harmful.....especially when a person has gone off the deep end into "hyper Calvinism" ...which is a theological cancer on the Body of Christ that needs to be cut off.

The Bible is not "Calvinism", neither does it warrant being classified as such.
However, if you're so inclined, you can attach that label to the Gospel of God's grace to sinners if you wish.

I would never call the Lord's act of graciously granting eternal life to the "whosoever believeth", from the heart, and those He foreknew, chosen in Christ from the foundation of the world and redeemed by the blood of His Son, as "Calvinism".

I would call it what it is...
Grace, and not works ( Romans 11:5-6 ).

Christ's sheep do not follow the teachings of John Calvin, who taught infant baptism, a-millennialism and several other errors that, as far as I am aware, he never departed from.

They follow the same Jesus Christ who told them, " No man can come to me unless the Father draw him, and I will raise him up at the last day" ( John 6:44 ).

" But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand." ( John 10:26-29 )

" as thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him." ( John 17:2 ).

 

[Navair2]

Knowing how to spot the devil's ministers is to understand the Gospel of Grace, perfectly.
This is "Paul's Gospel".

I agree.

It is the same Gospel that Christ preached, the same that Peter, Phillip, Apollos, Aquila, Timothy and many others preached, and the same that all of His ministers preach...

...and it most definitely is not what is popularly preached today by the vast majority of those who preach a "gospel".

Learn what that is, and live in this verse..... Hebrews 13:9.....and you can then hear the false gospel when a dark light teaches it .

I live by His every word ( Matthew 4:4, Luke 4:4 ), as do all of His people.
But I thank you for the encouragement just the same.

I also know from the Scriptures that unless one of God's children is of full age and able to handle "strong meat", they will not be able to fully discern both good and evil ( Hebrews 5:14 ), including false teachers and teachings.


That said, it seems to me that you aren't willing to believe His every word, sir, and that saddens me.
Nevertheless, I wish you well and God's blessings upon your life.

 

[pescador]

I agree.

It is the same Gospel that Christ preached, the same that Peter, Phillip, Apollos, Aquila, Timothy and many others preached, and the same that all of His ministers preach...

...and it most definitely is not what is popularly preached today by the vast majority of those who preach a "gospel".

I live by His every word ( Matthew 4:4, Luke 4:4 ), as do all of His people.
But I thank you for the encouragement just the same.

I also know from the Scriptures that unless one of God's children is of full age and able to handle "strong meat", they will not be able to fully discern both good and evil ( Hebrews 5:14 ), including false teachers and teachings.


That said, it seems to me that you aren't willing to believe His every word, sir, and that saddens me.
Nevertheless, I wish you well and God's blessings upon your life.

What does "most definitely is not what is popularly preached today by the vast majority of those who preach a "gospel" "refer to? Can you be more specific?

On another note... In Judaism one is of full age at 13. One becomes bar mitzvah or bat mitzvah and is considered a full part of the congregation. In the Biblical era, teenagers were considered to be functioning adults in their early teens.

 

[Ligurian]

God on the Cross is why you go to heaven., or not.
Trust in Christ, as there is no other way to God.
John 14:6

Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto His Disciples, If any [man] will come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.

 

[fhansen]

I came from a church that taught this same thing, that only the sacrifices were nailed to the cross, but not the Ten Commandments. However, what's not understood is every law of Israel were administered under the Levite Priest. If someone stole, committed adultery, etc, either sacrifices had to be done or, some other punishment. Each year the Priest went behind the vail to atone for the sins of all the people and it didn't matter what sin they had committed, which included the Ten Commandments When Jesus died on the cross, and when the vail was ripped, the sacrifices for sin administered by the Levi Priest in the temple, ceases. So there is no justification for keeping laws that were stopped due to Jesus's death.

God took care of this and He made the change. "I will put my laws into their hearts, and mind" was foretold in in the old testament.

Jeremiah 31:31, "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; And after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts..."

The above scripture is telling us that the writing of God's laws in our hearts is not done by us, but by God's Spirit. Why do you think the vail was ripped?

Tell me what the Holy Spirit is able to accomplish in us? Either I accomplish it, or the Spirit accomplished it. If I accomplish it (that is keeping the Ten Commandments) then I'm not walking by the Spirit, I'm walking by the flesh. If the Spirit accomplished it, then the Power of God fulfills the righteousness of the law in me by producing His fruits of the Spirit; writing his laws in my mind and heart. Not my fruits. His fruits. Not what I do. What He does. Not keeping the Ten Commandments. His fruits given to us by the Spirit.


God bless you!

Just so I understand. Keeping the commandments cannot be a fruit of the Spirit? Maybe I misunderstood.