How to prove that GOD exists from a scientific point of view?

[YahuahSaves]

I'm very much a Lover of God. Just not of the Christian kind as I tend to pray to whom Jesus prayed to.

You pray to whom Jesus prayed to? Who is that exactly?

Consciousness is how I think of God.

So, you pray to yourself then?

Conciousness​

kŏn′shəs-nĭs
noun

1. The state or condition of being conscious.
2. A sense of one's personal or collective identity, including the attitudes, beliefs, and sensitivities held by or considered characteristic of an individual or group.
3. Special awareness or sensitivity.
4. Alertness to or concern for a particular issue or situation.
5. In psychoanalysis, the conscious.
6. The state of being conscious; the act or state of mind which distinguishes a waking from a sleeping person; the state of being aware of one's mental acts or states.
7. Specifically Self-consciousness (which See).
8. Perception; thought; intellectual action in general.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

But why doesn't the same thing apply to other things?

Why is it no one has to say, "We all experience reality a little differently so there's no way to objectively determine the truth about the height of the Empire State Building" to explain why different people get different measurements for the height? I'd say it's because we don't need to. We all measure the height of the Empire State Building the same, despite the fact that we are all experiencing reality a little different. The fact that we can't all get the same result with religion or spirituality is best explained by the position that it's just not real. It exists only within the minds of those whop believe. This is why we can get measurements about the ESB that are in agreement, but not measurements about religion. Because the ESB actually exists in objective reality, and religion/spirituality doesn't.

OR.............maybe the existential essence of Christianity is "encased" in writing, presently existing as potential, representational written history of the past.

And as you know, unveiling the past and attempting to write valid prose in a history book isn't the same thing as doing the next experiment at CERN, or climbing the Empire State Building.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I'm gonna need more than your say-so to demonstrate that.

But that's not RELIGIOUS faith.

Does anyone really know 'what' Christian faith is or what it is composed of epistemologically and psychologically?

I'd say "not exactly." But we sure get a lot of overly firm opionions about its "true nature," and it usually comes by quoting Hebrews 11:1
(and one or two other favorite but extracted verses) without much-- if any -- solid context.

But I get it. Not everyone wants to do their homework.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I was hoping for a bit more than that...

I already offered a bit more back up in post #2,859. Did you not see it? You asked for brief (for what I took as a request for a quick synopsis). That's what I wrote. Brief!!

How to prove that GOD exists from a scientific point of view?

Why? If I did, would you stop being an atheist? If I started believing in things that can't be tested, I'd end up believing in all sorts of things that aren't true.

www.christianforums.com

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

After how many tries, tweaks, reprograms, redefines, votes, reviews, discards, and time-sensitive shortcuts?

Usually not many, but how long is a piece of string?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

... I'd like to see how I did that in any of my posts here, especially in response to any argument that atheism is the ideal position to take when considering the universe and everything contained in it.

Have there been any arguments here that, "atheism is the ideal position to take when considering the universe and everything contained in it."?

 

[YahuahSaves]

Have there been any arguments here that, "atheism is the ideal position to take when considering the universe and everything contained in it."?

If you're going to respond to something I've said to someone else, at least take the conversation in it's context.

Estrid said:

If I find myself fascinated by something, I
make every effort to understand it, rather
than ignoring what is said, or interposing some
idea of my own so as to block any information
that comes to me. It's a matter of intellectual
integrity something I hold in highest value.

I said:
Interesting, so you believe you weren't doing that in response to my posts?

 

[ruthiesea]

I thought people here have said science can't "prove or disprove" anything? Do you disagree with your fellow atheists?
.

Science cannot prove anything because the strength of science is that there always a question about future findings. Science is dynamic. It can, however, disprove things.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

God makes himself known to anyone wanting to earnestly seek him...

Believers often say this, but many atheists are non-believers because despite earnestly seeking God, he didn't make himself known to them. The usual response to this is that they were 'doing it wrong', i.e. weren't earnest enough, or for long enough.

ISTM that someone already convinced that there must be 'something beyond' or 'something more' is the most likely to find what they're earnestly seeking, whatever the belief...

- but it is through faith and not our physical senses that we come to see the truth.

Claims of truth obtained through faith have been shown to be wrong too often for this to be a plausible statement - unless you define 'truth' as 'that which is seen through faith', in which case it is circular and useless.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Science cannot prove anything because the strength of science is that there always a question about future findings. Science is dynamic. It can, however, disprove things.

Cool. Can it disprove the existence of God?

 

[YahuahSaves]

but many atheists are non-believers because despite earnestly seeking God, he didn't make himself known to them.

Are you one of them?

Claims of truth obtained through faith have been shown to be wrong too often for this to be a plausible statement

I'm talking about God's truth here. Science can't disprove God exists, so why are you using it as an excuse to not believe? Where do you think you came from? What truly gives you life?

 

[ruthiesea]

Cool. Can it disprove the existence of God?

Of course not. Belief in G-d is just that: a belief. Either you believe or you do not. His existence can neither be proven nor disproven.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

When it comes to God (supernatural) he can be known by all, which then makes God significant personally.

Many believers think that God is unknowable by anyone, and many disagree fundamentally about the nature of God - just what you'd expect if God was the idea of a supernatural entity, created by humans.

The variety of undemonstrable and conflicting human beliefs, including demonstrably false beliefs, should make us wary of beliefs unsupported by objective evidence, and the confirmation bias that accompanies belief is a powerful distorting lens.

"To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail".

So if you've known someone your whole life, you would call that a feeling and not a fact?

The fact of having known someone your whole life is different from the feeling that you've known someone your whole life (see Capgras syndrome).

 

[AV1611VET]

I go to what the Earth has shown us through the window of science because the Earth can't lie.

So did the scientists at L'Aquila and told the citizens that it was safe to go back to their homes.

Until the earth, which can't lie, shook again and crushed them.

So much for the window of science.

 

[Hans Blaster]

could you clarify this point. I think i know where you are going, but I don't want to put words in your mouth.

I rarely type with my mouth, but...

Light (as we know) comes in a wide variety of wavelengths/frequencies. A spectrum measures the relative amount of each frequency of light in each thing that emits or reflects light. If "god is light" then what does the spectrum of that light look like, or "what is the spectrum of god?"

 

[YahuahSaves]

Of course not. Belief in G-d is just that: a belief. Either you believe or you do not. His existence can neither be proven nor disproven.

Exactly the point. So you observe the world around you and you don't believe there's an intelligent designer behind it?

 

[dlamberth]

You pray to whom Jesus prayed to? Who is that exactly?

Ask Jesus.

So, you pray to yourself then?

Conciousness​

kŏn′shəs-nĭs
noun

1. The state or condition of being conscious.
2. A sense of one's personal or collective identity, including the attitudes, beliefs, and sensitivities held by or considered characteristic of an individual or group.
3. Special awareness or sensitivity.
4. Alertness to or concern for a particular issue or situation.
5. In psychoanalysis, the conscious.
6. The state of being conscious; the act or state of mind which distinguishes a waking from a sleeping person; the state of being aware of one's mental acts or states.
7. Specifically Self-consciousness (which See).
8. Perception; thought; intellectual action in general.

Consciousness is way, way larger than myself.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Many believers think that God is unknowable by anyone,

We cannot know the fullness of God in the same way we can't know another person's inner workings. But we can know him in spirit. (The living God) He was a man (Jesus the Son who is the express image of the Father) and he still reveals himself the same to those who believe. The Father is in the Son, the Son is in us and we are in him.

The fact of having known someone your whole life is different from the feeling that you've known someone your whole life (see Capgras syndrome).

Absolutely. So you look at the world around you and believe there is no intelligent designer behind it? You base that on "fact"? Unbelief is crazy.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Ask Jesus.

Consciousness is way, way larger than myself.

You're confusing Jesus with new age ideology.

 

[ruthiesea]

Exactly the point. So you observe the world around you and you don't believe there's an intelligent designer behind it?

Whether of not G-d exists is not within the purview of science. Science is about what and how things occur. Religion is about who. Science does not preclude the existence if G-d. Either you believe or you do not.