How to prove that GOD exists from a scientific point of view?

[YahuahSaves]

You said you doubted I had done as you asked, despite the fact that I outright told you that I had done so.

Because you clearly stated you prayed out of love for your husband not because you wanted to.

It is arrogant because you assume that I misunderstand solely because I don't agree with you. You just can't conceive that maybe you are wrong, not me.

No, I didn't assume anything. You seem to be very adept at reading into things you think people say here, why don't you do that with the bible? You claim you're here to understand Christianity but if that were the case, you would have very different responses.

We aren't talking about the differences between the brains of believers compared to non-believers.

We are talking about whether there is some spirit that exists independently of our bodies.

Why not?
I offered a "scientific" way humans could (perhaps) reveal God objectively.

You aren't getting my point.

Believing that Jesus is real and the son of God and all that, THAT is a religion.

Ditto.

No you can't. Science has testable claims that have been tested and shown to be accurate. Religion does not.

You don't understand science at all, do you?

I thought people here have said science can't "prove or disprove" anything? Do you disagree with your fellow atheists?

I'm literally quoting your words, and you've said the same thing several times now.

Actually I didn't. I corrected by emphasising a word. if that didn't make a difference to you, then you're deliberately choosing to find fault with what I say.

Then, as now, I want the truth.

I gave you a way but you weren't interested in even trying it out. If you really wanted "truth" then you would do everything within your power to find it.

And, of course, the correct heart posture is whatever is required to reach the same conclusion as you, isn't it?

It's called  humility.

What's upsetting is that you think you can tell me why I hold the position I do when you don't know me at all.

When did I tell you why I think you hold the position you do? Provide quotes please, no cherry-picking.

 

[YahuahSaves]

I did ask for his help,
But it's still the intention that matters.
now for instance,
Say i was Married for sake of the argument and my wife was Christian,
wanted me to become Christian,
I would.
I'd think about all the time I spent with her, how i grew to love and trust her
I'd use that to build my own trust that my wife wouldn't be lying to me or trying to deceive me
I'd simply Pray and tell the LORD that i want to share everything with her from the bottom of my heart.

Yes, and you prayed in faith. Don't forget that's key.

 

[Lost Witness]

Yes, and you prayed in faith. Don't forget that's key.

Yes and that faith came from a White Dove that flew past me mere moments before
a white dove in the suburbs during late winter/early spring

 

[Kylie]

Because you clearly stated you prayed out of love for your husband not because you wanted to.

I clearly stated I wanted to because I love my husband.

No, I didn't assume anything. You seem to be very adept at reading into things you think people say here, why don't you do that with the bible? You claim you're here to understand Christianity but if that were the case, you would have very different responses.

If you weren't assuming anything, then why were you wrong when you said that I must have been hurt by a Christian, or that I hadn't done what you said would give me the results you claimed?

Why not?
I offered a "scientific" way humans could (perhaps) reveal God objectively.

No you didn't.

You don't understand science.

Ditto.

Do you believe that Jesus is the son of God?

I thought people here have said science can't "prove or disprove" anything? Do you disagree with your fellow atheists?

Science can DISprove anything that makes a testable claim. All it takes if for the claim to be tested and the result to be something other than what was predicted.

For example, if someone says, "I predict that gravity will always make things fall to the ground," that can be tested. And if one time you drop something and it DOESN'T fall to the ground, then the claim is disproven. It only takes once.

Science can't prove anything for a fact, but if you have lots of different people trying lots of different ways to show that something is wrong, and they can't ever do it, no matter how many times they try, then the claim being tested has withstood the testing. The more a claim withstands testing, the more likely it is to be true.

I gave you a way but you weren't interested in even trying it out. If you really wanted "truth" then you would do everything within your power to find it.

I have done. Why should I continue trying a method which I have already tested and found to be an unreliable method?

It's called  humility.

You don't show any.

When did I tell you why I think you hold the position you do? Provide quotes please, no cherry-picking.

When you said I had tried an honest search for God, you said you doubted it, and when you said, "Whatever a Christian has done to hurt you is not a reflection of God." As though some Christian being a meanie is the only explanation for why a person would be an atheist. Both in post 2878.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

E=mc²

Did you have a point?

yes, that any being called God, must be equal to or greater then the nature of the universe. since the universe is energy in a fluid form or a fixed form then any being called God must have the ability to change energy from a fluid form to a fixed form and back again. Well guess what that is the exact description of the being Called God in the Bible. He is called a being of "light". he is light and he dwells in it. Light is an energy form and is subject E=mc². Which mean that the being described in the Scripture could indeed exist and could not be any thing other then what is described in the Scripture. Since the description is consistent with known science and science known only to the people of the 20th centuary and beyond. The writers of the scripture either were very lucky in their description of God, had advanced knowledge of the universe here to fore unknow to modern science or actually saw what they were described in the text, for it is completely accurate and consistent with all known science.

 

[Lost Witness]

I clearly stated I wanted to because I love my husband.

Then Use it,
Confess it to the LORD,
Tell Him You want to connect with your Husband in every way,
"What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."
^^^
Think About that Scripture.
You have a Great Husband, Kylie.


I will Be Praying for you and your Husband, Kylie.
May The LORD Bless you and Keep You.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Yes they can.
The Earth itself tells us a lot about the process which can be tested against the Bible Creation beliefs.

this is not based on anything. this is just an opinion your interpretation of the data, not the actual data. it is amazing how many times you guy interpret the data according to your biased assumptions and ignore other possible interpretations that don't fit the facts or your hypothesis.

 

[Kylie]

Then Use it,
Confess it to the LORD,
Tell Him You want to connect with your Husband in every way,
"What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."
^^^
Think About that Scripture.
You have a Great Husband, Kylie.


I will Be Praying for you and your Husband, Kylie.
May The LORD Bless you and Keep You.

You just don't seem to understand...

What's the point of me doing that if I do not yet have the belief that God exists?

That would be like me assuring you that Zeus is real, and that if you pray to him, he will show himself to you, but only if you genuinely believe first. Do you see why it doesn't work?

 

[Lost Witness]

You just don't seem to understand...

What's the point of me doing that if I do not yet have the belief that God exists?

That would be like me assuring you that Zeus is real, and that if you pray to him, he will show himself to you, but only if you genuinely believe first. Do you see why it doesn't work?

So you don't believe in GOD but your husband does?
Do you trust your husband?

 

[YahuahSaves]

I clearly stated I wanted to because I love my husband.

Exactly the point.
Did you want to pray to God?

If you weren't assuming anything, then why were you wrong when you said that I must have been hurt by a Christian, or that I hadn't done what you said would give me the results you claimed?

The former: I quoted your post where you said it yourself.
The latter: you took that out of context of the responses within that post. I showed you had clearly not done what you said you had. So I responded to the repetitiveness of your claim.
You still haven't answered the simple question of your intentions in your prayer. Wanting God to prove himself to you as an unbeliever is not humility.

No you didn't.

You don't understand science.

And you don't understand the supernatural.

Do you believe that Jesus is the son of God?

I know he is the Son of God.

Science can DISprove anything

Can it DISprove the existence of God?

Science can't prove anything for a fact

Exactly.
So why are you so adamant to obtain "evidence" of God through scientific means?

I have done. Why should I continue trying a method which I have already tested and found to be an unreliable method?

So you placed 2 chairs facing each other and sat down to talk to Jesus then?

You don't show any.

I'm not the one calling other people "arrogant".

When you said I had tried an honest search for God, you said you doubted it, and when you said, "Whatever a Christian has done to hurt you is not a reflection of God." As though some Christian being a meanie is the only explanation for why a person would be an atheist. Both in post 2878.

Again, I quoted your own words.
and I asked you to elaborate on the story about your husband wanting you to pray, to show me that I was wrong, but you ignored that.
So show me that I'm wrong? Explain your heart posture the day you prayed? Can you remember what you were thinking? God knows. Nothing is hidden from his sight.

 

[dlamberth]

this is not based on anything. this is just an opinion your interpretation of the data, not the actual data. it is amazing how many times you guy interpret the data according to your biased assumptions and ignore other possible interpretations that don't fit the facts or your hypothesis.

It's through the window of what science is bringing as it explores the earth. There's lots and lots of actual data there. No shortage of it at all. And it paints a very different and testable creation story than from what we read in the Bible creation story, which is not testable.

 

[YahuahSaves]

yes, that any being called God, must be equal to or greater then the nature of the universe. since the universe is energy in a fluid form or a fixed form then any being called God must have the ability to change energy from a fluid form to a fixed form and back again. Well guess what that is the exact description of the being Called God in the Bible. He is called a being of "light". he is light and he dwells in it. Light is an energy form and is subject E=mc². Which mean that the being described in the Scripture could indeed exist and could not be any thing other then what is described in the Scripture. Since the description is consistent with known science and science known only to the people of the 20th centuary and beyond. The writers of the scripture either were very lucky in their description of God, had advanced knowledge of the universe here to fore unknow to modern science or actually saw what they were described in the text, for it is completely accurate and consistent with all known science.

Perfect! I was just thinking of God as light earlier, and how darkness is only the absence of light.

 

[YahuahSaves]

It's through the window of what science is bringing as it explores the earth. There's lots and lots of actual data there. No shortage of it at all. And it paints a very different and testable creation story than from what we read in the Bible creation story, which is not testable.

I don’t know why people claim God doesn't exist purely based on the creation story. Isn't this the same scientific community that now accepts the historical facts of Jesus time on earth? That's what I've heard.

The bible stories are full of repeating patterns of behaviour that are clear when you consider that history tends to repeat itself from one generation to the next. Jordan B Peterson debates this exact thing on YouTube.

 

[Hans Blaster]

He is called a being of "light". he is light and he dwells in it. Light is an energy form and is subject E=mc².

If god is "light" then what does the spectrum of god look like?

 

[Adventist Dissident]

If god is "light" then what does the spectrum of god look like?

could you clarify this point. I think i know where you are going, but I don't want to put words in your mouth.

 

[YahuahSaves]

For anyone interested.

 

[SelfSim]

If god is "light" then what does the spectrum of god look like?

Spoiler: Gaussian white noise .. (I couldn't find the spectrum of crickets).

 

[YahuahSaves]

This kind of sums it all up using recent scientific discovery to emulate what was written 2000 years ago

Living Stones for God’s House

4You are coming to Christ, who is the living cornerstone of God’s temple. He was rejected by people, but he was chosen by God for great honor.

5And you are living stones that God is building into his spiritual temple. What’s more, you are his holy priests.a Through the mediation of Jesus Christ, you offer spiritual sacrifices that please God.

 

[dlamberth]

I don’t know why people claim God doesn't exist purely based on the creation story. Isn't this the same scientific community that now accepts the historical facts of Jesus time on earth? That's what I've heard.

The bible stories are full of repeating patterns of behaviour that are clear when you consider that history tends to repeat itself from one generation to the next. Jordan B Peterson debates this exact thing on YouTube.

Just for the record. I'm very much a Lover of God. Just not of the Christian kind as I tend to pray to whom Jesus prayed to. As for the Creation story, I go to what the Earth has shown us through the window of science because the Earth can't lie.

 

[dlamberth]

Perfect! I was just thinking of God as light earlier, and how darkness is only the absence of light.

Consciousness is how I think of God.