How to prove God exists.

[Kylie]

Biophysiology and mechanics -- cannot be good.

On what do you base that conclusion?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

On what do you base that conclusion?

The Terminator?

 

[Radrook]

The Terminator?

The terminator wasn't a human being enhanced by technology. It was merely an android masquerading as a human by hiding beneath organic material.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The terminator wasn't a human being enhanced by technology. It was merely an android masquerading as a human by hiding beneath organic material.

Bionics is not the practice of enhancing humans by technology. Bionics is using knowledge from biology and applying it to technology. Bionics is, in other words, the opposite direction of what you are talking about.


Having said that, how is enhancing humans through technology, a bad thing?

Here are some examples:
- glasses
- lenses
- hearing aids
- pacemakers
- prosthesis
- ...

Doesn't sound that bad to me.....

I could even go a step further and state that just about ANY tool in existence, can be said to "enhance" humans.

A hammer "enhances" our squishy limbs to more efficiently drive a nail through wood.

A fork allows us to eat more easily without making a mess.

Binoculars allow us to see further.

Telescopes allow us to see MUCH further.

Radiology allows us to see things our eyes simply can't see.

Microscopes allow us to see things that are otherwise to small for us to see.

Thermometers allow us to more precisly tell how hot or cold something.

A car allows us to travel much faster then by foot or by horse.


All of these things are technological tools that enhance our human abilities.

 

[Pachomius]

Over in the other thread you had already given your definition of "God", and I agreed to accept it, for purposes of your thread.
Are you going to post anything of substance any time soon, or will you keep to the strategy of writing merely long-winded introductions to...nothing?

We meet again, Quatona, but I don't remember you anymore even though you remember me.

Are you an atheist? I am a diy liberal Christian.

Have you read that self-description of myself somewhere else?

Please do me a favor, what did you expect me to continue on, and I did not go further from that point.

Tell me, and I will go further where you want me to go, but of course it could be not acceptable to you where I will go further in particular direction, as you could be expecting me to go in the direction you want me to go.

Anyway, tell me, you have a good memory.

When we were exchanging thoughts, did I have the concept of God as the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning?

In another forum, an opponent of mine insisted that my concept of God was too long, so I shortened it to God in concept as the creator of everything with a beginning.

Hope to read your reply to this post, later after some hours, or perhaps tomorrow, or after some days.


Best regards

Pachomius

 

[Radrook]

According to the Bible proving that God exists shouldn't be even necessary since it is described as being so obvious that anyone denying it has absolutely no valid excuse to be doing so.

 

[Radrook]

Bionics is not the practice of enhancing humans by technology. Bionics is using knowledge from biology and applying it to technology. Bionics is, in other words, the opposite direction of what you are talking about.


Having said that, how is enhancing humans through technology, a bad thing?

Here are some examples:
- glasses
- lenses
- hearing aids
- pacemakers
- prosthesis
- ...

Doesn't sound that bad to me.....

I could even go a step further and state that just about ANY tool in existence, can be said to "enhance" humans.

A hammer "enhances" our squishy limbs to more efficiently drive a nail through wood.

A fork allows us to eat more easily without making a mess.

Binoculars allow us to see further.

Telescopes allow us to see MUCH further.

Radiology allows us to see things our eyes simply can't see.

Microscopes allow us to see things that are otherwise to small for us to see.

Thermometers allow us to more precisly tell how hot or cold something.

A car allows us to travel much faster then by foot or by horse.


All of these things are technological tools that enhance our human abilities.

I never defined bionics in this thread. Neither did I claim that enhancement of humans via bionics is a bad thing.

 

[VirOptimus]

According to the Bible proving that God exists shouldn't be even necessary since it is described as being so obvious that anyone denying it has absolutely no valid excuse to be doing so.

... really?

That is an incredibly stupid argument. If the christian god was obvious then there wouldnt be other religions or atheists. So the argument is obviously (heh) false.

If proving god(s) was possible then faith wouldnt be needed.

 

[just a believing guy]

... really?

That is an incredibly stupid argument. If the christian god was obvious then there wouldnt be other religions or atheists. So the argument is obviously (heh) false.

If proving god(s) was possible then faith wouldnt be needed.

You have to realize that the West brought civilization to all the countries where there are different religions. And the bringing of civilization was deeply connected with Christianity.

 

[Radrook]

... really?

That is an incredibly stupid argument. If the christian god was obvious then there wouldnt be other religions or atheists. So the argument is obviously (heh) false.

If proving god(s) was possible then faith wouldnt be needed.

That is what the Bible tells us. That there should be absolutely no reason to doubt the existence of a creator because the evidence is overwhelming and that those who do deny it have no valid excuse. I don't find it stupid at all, I find it to be a very accurate description of reality. In fact, I find the denials of a creator's existence to be exceedingly stupid statements. So I guess we differ in that area.

BTW
Your concept of faith is out of kilter with the biblical one.

 

[just a believing guy]

... really?

That is an incredibly stupid argument. If the christian god was obvious then there wouldnt be other religions or atheists. So the argument is obviously (heh) false.

If proving god(s) was possible then faith wouldnt be needed.

What does atheism profit you?

 

[just a believing guy]

The Terminator?

Tagliatelli, what does atheism profit you?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

You have to realize that the West brought civilization to all the countries where there are different religions. And the bringing of civilization was deeply connected with Christianity.

Really? what, exactly, do you mean by 'civilization', and when do you think this happened?

I ask because conventional histories of the world have Western civilization as a relative newcomer, and many great civilizations predate the appearance of Christianity by thousands of years, so your claim is puzzling.

 

[Freodin]

That is what the Bible tells us. That there should be absolutely no reason to doubt the existence of a creator because the evidence is overwhelming and that those who do deny it have no valid excuse. I don't find it stupid at all, I find it to be a very accurate description of reality. In fact, I find the denials of a creator's existence to be exceedingly stupid statements. So I guess we differ in that area.

BTW
Your concept of faith is out of kilter with the biblical one.

"Overwhelming evidence" is what I would call "proof". And that is quite lacking. Anyone who simply claims that there is overwhelming evidence and that it is obvious without being able to show it... explicitly denying to have to "prove it" while in the same breath with different words claiming to have proven it... is just setting himself up for a mirror argument.

See, it is totally obvious that there is no supreme "creator", the evidence for that is overwhelming, anyone who still believes in such a concept has no valid excuse for his belief. Statements confiring the existence of such a creator are exceedingly stupid statements in my view.

Some might challenge atheists to "prove that there is no God"... but that shouldn't even be necessary. It's obvious... and if you disagree, you are... blind, deluded, rebellious, evil... take your pick.

Is that an unsatisfactory line of reasoning? Well, yes, I think so. And it doesn't get any better or more satisfactor if prefaced with "The Bible tells us..."

 

[Freodin]

Really? what, exactly, do you mean by 'civilization', and when do you think this happened?

I ask because conventional histories of the world have Western civilization as a relative newcomer, and many great civilizations predate the appearance of Christianity by thousands of years, so your claim is puzzling.

From my limited interactions with this poster, I have come to the preliminary conclusion that he is one of those who believe that only his kind of(whatever) are the real kind.
Only his civilization is real civilization, so of course his tribe spread it around. Only his faith is the real faith, so everyone else is an atheist.

 

[just a believing guy]

Really? what, exactly, do you mean by 'civilization', and when do you think this happened?

I ask because conventional histories of the world have Western civilization as a relative newcomer, and many great civilizations predate the appearance of Christianity by thousands of years, so your claim is puzzling.

Bringing of western civilization means bringing order. Let's say that I wonder why the average Indian in the city while waiting for his train wears his typically western wardrobe.

 

[just a believing guy]

From my limited interactions with this poster, I have come to the preliminary conclusion that he is one of those who believe that only his kind of(whatever) are the real kind.
Only his civilization is real civilization, so of course his tribe spread it around. Only his faith is the real faith, so everyone else is an atheist.

Come on, hadn't it been for the British, the little Indians would still have suffered from smallpox.

 

[VirOptimus]

What does atheism profit you?

What dors profit have to do with it? Is this some variant of Pascals wager? Thats a very lacking argument.

I'm an atheist because I reject the existance of metaphysics.

 

[VirOptimus]

Come on, hadn't it been for the British, the little Indians would still have suffered from smallpox.

This post comes across as very racist. I hope you didnt mean it that way.

 

[just a believing guy]

This post comes across as very racist. I hope you didnt mean it that way.

Oh I see what you mean... By ''little Indians'' I thought of the Indian children.