You know that is exactly what the Muslims say too.
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You know that is exactly what the Muslims say too.Prove to me that the Torah states that Jesus is the messiah. It is nowhere to be found in the Torah as the real messiah has yet to come.
Incorrect, look to the Prophet Zechariah.
The Messiah will remove sin in a single day, and Joshua is symbolic of things to come... the Messiah.
His name will be Joshua. In Hebrew, that is Yeshua. Jesus. The Christ will be called Jesus. I'm not trying to convince you on that alone, but tell me, if the Anointed came when Daniel said, it would have been around the time of Jesus, and Jesus is the only one who matches the prophecies. If you are a Jew who truly believes that the Messiah is real and not symbolic, there is only one option.
Hello Servant222,
Have you considered that Israeli agents within Palestinians will not let that [peace in Palestine] happen?
Hamas was originally funded by Israel after all. I have no proof of a Levon affair style rouse but I suspect that one improves their efficiency over the years.
However ultimately you are correct. If I were Palestinian, I would suspect any violence done in its name as having roots as a useful pretext. The violence gives Israel cause, drives out media and feeds our expectation that has been cultivated for years.
Why would Israel want conflict you ask? You speak of democracy and free speech but none of that really matters in a drought. If Palestinians "fight back", or Lebanon for that matter, that is a solution to water. The Golan heights is a great "defensive" position from where Israel was "attacked". Lucky break to get the headwaters of the Jordan in the noble defense....
I think that you hit the nail on the head above. You get panic attacks when you hear about Islam.
That right there should be a big clue that something is not right. God is not the author of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind.
If you are having such reactions to Islam, then it is because someone has programmed fear into you. God doesn't do that.
Those who have programmed such fear into you are those who will benefit from having people be afraid of Islam. Most notably, those who stand to gain something by having Islam and muslims demonized.
I understand what you are feeling. Even up until last year I was listening to the propaganda which programs such reactions into us.
My life has been a journey of unlearning much of what I thought was true these last 7 years, and objectively investigating the facts. And so, I finally am developing a good understanding of what is going on in the middle east and why.
What you have done is proof text writings of Islam, applying a western 21st century moral code to a 6th century culture that is widely divergent from your own.
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What you have done is proof text writings of Islam, applying a western 21st century moral code to a 6th century culture that is widely divergent from your own.
But they let it happen with Jordan and Egypt??????
So you're saying that if the Palestinians ever embraced peace on their own, the plans of those evil Israeli agents would be thwarted??
Tell you what, let's give peace a try in Palestine and see if your theory is correct that it is Israeli agents with a hidden agenda that are stopping peace from bringing out.
We could start immediately by suspending the rocket attacks.
According to the Palestinian Academic Society for the Study of International Affairs, only 3% of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are Christians; 97% are Muslims.
http://www.passia.org/
It is YOU who have hit the nail on the head, finally revealing some of your true feelings and agenda. There are about a dozen verses in the New Testament alone warning sinners to fear God; here is one from Revelation 14:
6Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earthto every nation, tribe, language and people. 7He said in a loud voice, "Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water."
6For this reason I remind you to rekindle the gift of God that is within you through the laying on of my hands; 7for God did not give us a spirit of cowardice, but rather a spirit of power and of love and of self-discipline.
Servent,
Thats really wretchedly poor. Have a look at the demographic BEFORE Christians were driven out since the 40s.
Is anyone going to honestly admit around here that Palestine and Israel are currently a dysfunctional mix of terror on both sides with deluded Israelis and Palestinians on both sides?
Is it not obvious that the peace before the arrival of Israel indicated that Israel is the original cause of all this? Should we apologize to the Han dominated government of China for noticing the problem after Tibet was annexed? Did the New Guineans invite the Indonesians for supper and turn against them? Or was it perhaps provoked by the annexation land by the Javanese dominated government of Indonesia? I know what a land grab is when I see it.
The verses you quote from have been completely taken out of context as many words have been replaced to form a new meaning.
Or vice-versa. I use a translation of scriptures taken from the Dead Sea Scrolls, so I lean towards mine being correct. The Torah has been messed with over the years, for example the infamous
"They Lion My hands and feet" instead of They pierce my hands and feet."
It is YOU who have hit the nail on the head, finally revealing some of your true feelings and agenda. There are about a dozen verses in the New Testament alone warning sinners to fear God; here is one from Revelation 14:
6Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earthto every nation, tribe, language and people. 7He said in a loud voice, "Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water."
So exactly contrary to what you state, it is those who fear God who utterly reject pedophilia, murder, beheadings, suicide bombings, adultery, and similar despicable practices.
So you are agreeing with me that the original sacred writings of Islam support pedophilia, murder, beheadings, adultery and similar despicable practices that Christians utterly reject. Of course, this means that since they were never later revoked by the Islamic faith, they are still o.k. today in their eyes.
Wow!!
And then you state that those practices are wrong only if you apply a western 21st century moral code to them.
Unbelievable!!
The Bible utterly rejected those practices 2000 years ago, and continues to reject them today. That is what is so comforting about Christianity- consistency, unchanging; God's word was, and ever will be, the same. Christianity didn't have to make a 180° turn away from the truth 1400 years ago!
Only a small minority of Palestinians are Christians. If they truly are accountable to the Bible and God, then NONE of them would support the suicide bombings, indiscriminate rocket attacks, and other terrorist tactics that the majority of Palesitinians seem to support.
No Christian (including those in Palestine) could EVER engage in, OR SUPPORT murder, adultery, pedophilia, suicide bombings, indiscriminate rocket attacks, and similar despicable practices. Anyone who does either needs to FEAR GOD, acknowledge their sin, and repent IMMEDIATELY- or else admit that they are an agent of satan.
What about you TLF- do you support the right of Palestinians to use suicide bombings, murder, indiscriminate rocket attacks, and similar terrorist practices to attack Israel and regain what they think is their homeland?
A simple "Yes" or "No" will suffice.
The Torah as not been changed by us Jews as the words are the same today as they were on Mount Sinai.
TLF
If I have erred and "slandered" you, then please show me where and I will gladly apologize and edit.
Baloney. You have no way to prove this.
The oldest Masoratic texts are from the 6th century AD, not the time of Moses. There is no proof whatsoever that there have been no changes made.
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Really, hmmm..........then prove to me that Jesus even existed and if (emphasis on if) he existed then tell me where in the Tanakh does it say that the messiah will make void the mandate that G-d made in order to form a new "covenant" and rewrite the laws of G-d. You have no way to prove that Jesus is the messiah as it is nowhere in the Torah and thus the promise that the land is FOREVER is ,well, indeed forever. And by the way the 6th century AD is six hundred years after Jesus so I guess he really did make all the stuff he said up after all.
New information
In 1995 a discovery was published that brought important new evidence to the debate over the Testimonium Flavianum. For the first time it was pointed out that Josephus' description of Jesus showed an unusual similarity with another early description of Jesus. It was established statistically that the similarity was too close to have appeared by chance. Further study showed that Josephus' description was not derived from this other text, but rather that both were based on a Jewish-Christian "gospel" that has since been lost.
For the first time, it has become possible to prove that the Jesus account cannot have been a complete forgery and even to identify which parts were written by Josephus and which were added by a later interpolator.
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