How to choose between creation and evolution.

[DogmaHunter]

You asserted they caused problems in all humans.

You should read with a bit more focus:

the wisdom teeth of humans, which more often then not need to be pulled because our mouth is too small to accomodate them

 

[OldWiseGuy]

- man nipples
- .....

Why Do Men Have Nipples?

 

[DogmaHunter]

You asserted they had no function.

And again, you should read with more attention.

In the post you are replying to:

You are correct though that my comment of "non-functioning eyes" was incorrect.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Without perusing any information about the subject I would venture a guess that turning off certain genes in the genome would result in different features and different critters. Pretty neat; a 'master genetic control center' that just needs to be tweaked slightly to produce a wide array of critters. No need for God to 'reinvent the wheel' with each species.

lol....


In other words: "heads I win, tails you lose"

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You should read with a bit more focus:

the wisdom teeth of humans, which more often then not need to be pulled because our mouth is too small to accomodate them

My article says just the opposite, that they usually don't need to be pulled.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

And again, you should read with more attention.

In the post you are replying to:

You are correct though that my comment of "non-functioning eyes" was incorrect.

So why didn't you just leave it at that?

 

[DogmaHunter]

What is the function of the human appendix? Did it once have a purpose that has since been lost?

Do you deny that an appendix can "explode" and kill you?

My mother had her appendix removed decades ago
She doesn't seem to be missing it.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Why Do Men Have Nipples?

From the link:

Why men have nipples is a fascinating conundrum. The short answer to the question of "why?" is that all fetuses begin as female, and develop certain female characteristics. The long answer involves testosterone, natural selection, and body chemistry.

Funny how you keep posting links that support evolution.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Right, because no human ever chokes on food.

Human aren't designed (or evolved) to choke on their food. It's an accident.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

LOL!

If our spine didn't have that odd S shape (which is the result of evolution's tinkering with the original C shape optimized for quadruple locomotion), it would be able to take the stress.

Exactly, the very vulnerable human spine makes sure that humans are extremely prone to lower back pains.

Most back pain is temporary and resolves with no lasting effects.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

From the link:

Why men have nipples is a fascinating conundrum. The short answer to the question of "why?" is that all fetuses begin as female, and develop certain female characteristics. The long answer involves testosterone, natural selection, and body chemistry.

Funny how you keep posting links that support evolution.

I mentally exclude the parts that credit evolution and focus on the physiology of the thing.

 

[DogmaHunter]

My article says just the opposite, that they usually don't need to be pulled.

That is not what it says.

It is talking about the routinely removal.

It also says the following:

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To be clear, not all wisdom teeth removals are unnecessary. Wisdom teeth can become infected, cause tooth decay or cysts, damage neighbouring teeth, and cause a huge amount of pain if left in people's jaws.

In these cases, the evidence is clear that it's far better for a patient to have these 'third molars' - the official name for wisdom teeth - removed.

But it's the other cases that researchers are beginning to question - the cases where wisdom teeth are impacted but are otherwise healthy, or don't have any symptoms at all.
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My point is about the given, standard, default risk of wisdom teeth and the reason for why that is the case. The fact that is a subject to begin with. Why would we have teeth that aren't necessary at all and which have such a high risk of causing problems?

Evolution explains this.
Creationism? Not so much.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Do you deny that an appendix can "explode" and kill you?

My mother had her appendix removed decades ago
She doesn't seem to be missing it.

According to my link the appendix does it's most important thing early in one's life.

 

[DogmaHunter]

So why didn't you just leave it at that?

Because the underlying point remains just as valid. As your own link demonstrates.
I also gave you another link, which discusses some other parts of moles eyes instead of just the retina and the altered functions.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That is not what it says.

It is talking about the routinely removal.

It also says the following:

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To be clear, not all wisdom teeth removals are unnecessary. Wisdom teeth can become infected, cause tooth decay or cysts, damage neighbouring teeth, and cause a huge amount of pain if left in people's jaws.

In these cases, the evidence is clear that it's far better for a patient to have these 'third molars' - the official name for wisdom teeth - removed.

But it's the other cases that researchers are beginning to question - the cases where wisdom teeth are impacted but are otherwise healthy, or don't have any symptoms at all.
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My point is about the given, standard, default risk of wisdom teeth and the reason for why that is the case. The fact that is a subject to begin with. Why would we have teeth that aren't necessary at all and which have such a high risk of causing problems?

Evolution explains this.
Creationism? Not so much.

Narrow jaws and crowded teeth are a sign of malnutrition and possibly genetics. Well nourished people generally have larger jaws, and fewer problems with tooth crowding.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Most back pain is temporary and resolves with no lasting effects.

Which doesn't change the fact that the human S-shaped spine makes it extremely vulnerable to such pains to begin with. Which is the point.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I mentally exclude the parts that credit evolution and focus on the physiology of the thing.

Off course you do.
You only see and hear what you want to see and hear.

That's like literally the defense mechanism that creationists employ in order to hold on tight to their faith-based a priori beliefs.

I guess I should thank you for acknowledging that.

I rest my case.

 

[DogmaHunter]

According to my link the appendix does it's most important thing early in one's life.

According to your links, all those things are a result of, and explained by, evolution.

But as you said yourself, you pick and choose the things that suit you and "mentally block out" the rest.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Mere assertions.


OK - let me pick... the human obturator foramen*.

Please provide evidence that it was created.

Attach all the tissues it supports and you will see elegant design.....creation.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Off course you do.
You only see and hear what you want to see and hear.

My OP presents two options. You study each and make your choice. I choose creation based on my observation. The connection to religion is simply that creation and design is evidence of a creator-designer.