How to choose between creation and evolution.

[AV1611VET]

This claim dramatically contradicts other creationists.

As it should.

Mohammad was a creationist.

Creationists need to sort things out amongst yourselves before trying to talk to everyone else.

Then don't tell us how we got our moon until you get it sorted out.

 

[Brightmoon]

As it should.

Mohammad was a creationist.Then don't tell us how we got our moon until you get it sorted out.

. Mohammad based his ideas about creation on the JudeoChristian beliefs . He had the Torah and the bible read to him. Maybe you should read Islamic history before making baseless claims.
As far as how the moon originated some geology supports the Big Splat where a large planetoid hit the early earth and the result was two large bodies orbiting each other

 

[AV1611VET]

Mohammad based his ideas about creation on the JudeoChristian beliefs.

That makes him a creationist, doesn't it?

He had the Torah and the bible read to him.

Neat.

Maybe you should read Islamic history before making baseless claims.

Maybe that Seventh Day Adventist should have read more on the Peoples' Temple before making [baseless] claims too, huh?

Maybe went with them to Guyana?

As far as how the moon originated some geology supports the Big Splat where a large planetoid hit the early earth and the result was two large bodies orbiting each other

I said "don't tell us how we got our moon."

 

[Kenny'sID]

Yes.
It started in what is now Santiago, Chile.

Prove me wrong.

I'll get right on that, as soon as you prove that which you claim is indeed a fact.

 

[Brightmoon]

Sure:

Creationism isn't science ... it's history.

And it didn't generate any evidence.

. I misread that slightly. I meant to agree that creationism is a historical belief not that’s its an accurate occurrence . If these beliefs had actually occurred we’d see some physical evidence. So you’re wrong about that . Unfortunately for creationists, evidence doesn’t support it and demonstrates quite well that other processes occurred

 

[Kenny'sID]

The evidence of creation is all around us, but it takes the logic/good sense our creator gave us to have enough sense to recognize things never create themselves from nothing, something that is essentially the only alternative.

 

[pitabread]

The evidence of creation is all around us, but it takes the logic/good sense our creator gave us to have enough sense to recognize things never create themselves from nothing, something that is essentially the only alternative.

You might want to have a conversation with AV1611VET about that since he is telling us otherwise.

 

[Brightmoon]

The evidence of creation is all around us, but it takes the logic/good sense our creator gave us to have enough sense to recognize things never create themselves from nothing, something that is essentially the only alternative.

ok that’s a claim that can be substantiated by evidence. So show us some

 

[pitabread]

As it should.

Mohammad was a creationist.

I'm talking about your fellow Christian creationists. Even in this thread, Kenny'sID just contradicted you a few posts after yours.

 

[AV1611VET]

If these beliefs had actually occurred we’d see some physical evidence.

What? an ion trail? plasma cloud? time crystals? microwave background? or something else?

So you’re wrong about that. Unfortunately for creationists, evidence doesn’t support it and demonstrates quite well that other processes occurred

As [the late] Henry Morris points out:

Creationism is a belief in completed acts, not processes that are still ongoing.

So what processes are you referring to?

 

[Brightmoon]

What? an ion trail? plasma cloud? time crystals? microwave background? or something else?As [the late] Henry Morris points out:

Creationism is a belief in completed acts, not processes that are still ongoing.

So what processes are you referring to?

you tell me . I’m not a creationist ( and the late Henry Morris was imho an ignoramus)

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm talking about your fellow Christian creationists.

Then until my fellow Christian creationists cough up a plasma cloud, ion trail, microwave background, time crystals, or something else, I'm not going to be convinced.

Even in this thread, Kenny'sID just contradicted you a few posts after yours.

The universe is the product of creationism -- it's output.

It is not evidence of the act itself: creatio ex nihilo.

 

[pitabread]

The universe is the product of creationism -- it's output.

It is not evidence of the act itself: creatio ex nihilo.

Talk to Kenny then. He just said the exact opposite.

 

[AV1611VET]

you tell me I’m not a creationist.

You're not a creationist.

 

[AV1611VET]

Talk to Kenny then. He just said the exact opposite.

I'll pass.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sure:

Creationism isn't science ... it's history.

And it didn't generate any evidence.

Nope, it is myth History is also testable. And now we need to discuss the scientific method so that you can understand your error. And history as well. History generates evidence. Do you know what does not "generate evidence"? The answer is myth and legends.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If I read Subduction Zone's post correctly, he said you did.

Or at least implied it.

Nope. One should not read into posts that which is not there.

 

[Kenny'sID]

ok that’s a claim that can be substantiated by evidence. So show us some

The point was, assuming no evidence either way, we sometimes only have logic.

From what I've seen, the theory (as in just a possibility) of evolution uses much logic, and what they consider reasonable assumption in order to reach their goal, so it's not exactly an outlandish concept.

 

[Kenny'sID]

You might want to have a conversation with AV1611VET about that since he is telling us otherwise.

I haven't read all the thread, but I'd assume he's doing something i often do and speaks as if there is no evidence in order to make certain points to those who think differently than creationists. Or he's getting beyond the fact the he may see evidence but that's not going to matter to you so why complicate the conversation with that fact.

 

[Subduction Zone]

As it should.

Mohammad was a creationist.Then don't tell us how we got our moon until you get it sorted out.

Technically he wasn't. Creationism is a pseudoscientific belief that was a reaction to Darwin's theory of evolution. That is one insult that he did not earn. And knowledge of how the Moon formed has nothing to do with the theory of evolution. This is a red herring at best. A logical fallacy.