How the new covenant actually works

[BBAS 64]

Christians are supposed to feed the poor, if you don't do that willingly, you are not obeying the sheep/goats determination.

M't:25:31-35:
When the Son of man shall come in his glory,
and all the holy angels with him,
then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
And before him shall be gathered all nations:
and he shall separate them one from another,
as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand,
but the goats on the left.
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand,
Come,
ye blessed of my Father,
inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
For I was an hungred,
and ye gave me meat:
I was thirsty,
and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger,
and ye took me in:

Good Day,

Sheep do "sheepy" thing because they are sheep.

Doing sheepy things does not make you a sheep.

Goats are not sheep, nor can they ever be.
Sheep are not goats, nor can they ever be.

In Him,

Bill

 

[BBAS 64]

While there is now therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ (Romans 8:1), those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6), so being in Christ enforces our obligation to obey God's law.

Good Day,

I would say that being in Christ enables us and gives us a desire to obey, but the law can never condemn us.

The law demand strict adherence, and when that does not happen it condemns.

The Law was our Guardian now that we have Faith we are no longer under the Guardian in any way.

It can not and does not condemned, it demands yes, but it does not "now" condemn.

Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.

Guardian:

Thayer Definition:
1) a tutor, i.e. a guardian and guide of boys. Among the Greeks and the Romans the name was applied to trustworthy slaves who were charged with the duty of supervising the life and morals of boys belonging to the better class. The boys were not allowed so much as to step out of the house without them before arriving at the age of manhood.

In Him,

Bill

 

[Wayne Gabler]

Law for Gentiles means purging sinful thoughts, Law for OT only believers means avoiding completing sinful actions:
M't:5:27-28:
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time,
Thou shalt not commit adultery:
But I say unto you,
That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Jas:2:8-11:
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself,
ye do well:
But if ye have respect to persons,
ye commit sin,
and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
For whosoever shall keep the whole law,
and yet offend in one point,
he is guilty of all.
For he that said,
Do not commit adultery,
said also,
Do not kill.
Now if thou commit no adultery,
yet if thou kill,
thou art become a transgressor of the law.

 

[Wayne Gabler]

Good Day,


I am sticking with Paul ( I am a gentile)

Chrysostom (349-407): As he did also at the outset (ver. 6), being desirous by the witness of the many to establish these also. “Whereof I Paul was made a minister.” This also contributes to make it credible; “I,” saith he, “Paul a minister.” For great was his authority, as being now everywhere celebrated, and the teacher of the world. NPNF1: Vol. XIII, Homilies on the Epistle of St. Paul to the Colossians, Homily 4, Col 1:23.

Jesus says the same thing in the Matt:25 sheep/goats judgment.

 

[Wayne Gabler]

Good Day,

Sheep do "sheepy" thing because they are sheep.

Doing sheepy things does not make you a sheep.

Goats are not sheep, nor can they ever be.
Sheep are not goats, nor can they ever be.

In Him,

Bill

M't:15:24:
But he answered and said,
I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Joh:10:16:
And other sheep I have,
which are not of this fold:
them also I must bring,
and they shall hear my voice;
and there shall be one fold,
and one shepherd.

Zec:13:8-9:
And it shall come to pass,
that in all the land,
saith the LORD,
two parts therein shall be cut off and die;
but the third shall be left therein.
And I will bring the third part through the fire,
and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name,
and I will hear them:
I will say,
It is my people:
and they shall say,
The LORD is my God.

 

[BBAS 64]

M't:15:24:
But he answered and said,
I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Joh:10:16:
And other sheep I have,
which are not of this fold:
them also I must bring,
and they shall hear my voice;
and there shall be one fold,
and one shepherd.

Zec:13:8-9:
And it shall come to pass,
that in all the land,
saith the LORD,
two parts therein shall be cut off and die;
but the third shall be left therein.
And I will bring the third part through the fire,
and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name,
and I will hear them:
I will say,
It is my people:
and they shall say,
The LORD is my God.

Good Day,

Yes His sheep hear His Voice... Goats do not and can not.

Hearing the voice of the Shepard.. is a "sheepy" thing to do.

The Shepard seeks His sheep, sheep do not seek shepherds.

In Him,

Bill

 

[Clare73]

Contrary to popular opinion, the NC isn't just as simple as saying," I believe," it's a process, as detailed in Romans 8
It starts out with," For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh." The law pointed out what was wrong, but that was just condemnation. Is that bad? Far from it! But the condemnation brought along punishment without salvation.
Jesus then came down to condemn the sin just to the flesh, "thus condemned sin in the flesh."

Now it is those who walk by the flesh that are condemned in the flesh while those who walk in the Spirit are spared," so that the righteous standard of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit."
Keeping with the Spirit is a process, not a one time deal, "Since we live by the Spirit, let us walk in step with the Spirit," Galatians 5.
So you not only have to say you believe, but you also must keep in step with the Spirit.
This is why," As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead." James 2

Indeed, faith without deeds is dead, but it is not the deeds of faith which saves, it is only the faith itself which saves (Eph 2:8-9).

 

[Clare73]

It all depends on who you decide to believe, Paul or Peter.

We are to believe both, there is no contradiction of doctrine between Paul and Peter.

 

[Wayne Gabler]

Indeed, faith without deeds is dead, but it is not the deeds of faith which saves, it is only the faith itself which saves (Eph 2:8-9).

Feeding the poor is proof of a Christian's faith.
Lu:6:46:
And why call ye me,
Lord,
Lord,
and do not the things which I say?

M't:7:21:
Not every one that saith unto me,
Lord,
Lord,
shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

 

[Clare73]

Feeding the poor is proof of a Christian's faith.
Lu:6:46:
And why call ye me,
Lord,
Lord,
and do not the things which I say?

M't:7:21:
Not every one that saith unto me,
Lord,
Lord,
shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Those deeds are proof of the faith which saves, but those deeds do not save, it is only the faith of those deeds which saves (Eph 2:8-9).

 

[Wayne Gabler]

Feeding the poor keeps them alive, the odds they will then feed the poor, as they are able to do, is quite high.

People who are not Christians and are feeding the poor will be gathered to God before people who say they have faith but do not feed the poor:
Lu:12:47-48:
And that servant,
which knew his lord's will,
and prepared not himself,
neither did according to his will,
shall be beaten with many stripes.
But he that knew not,
and did commit things worthy of stripes,
shall be beaten with few stripes.
For unto whomsoever much is given,
of him shall be much required:
and to whom men have committed much,
of him they will ask the more.

The 'rich man' represents Priests from the Temple in Jerusalem:
Lu:16:19-31:
There was a certain rich man,
which was clothed in purple and fine linen,
and fared sumptuously every day:
And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus,
which was laid at his gate,
full of sores,
And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table:
moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
And it came to pass,
that the beggar died,
and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom:
the rich man also died,
and was buried;
And in hell he lift up his eyes,
being in torments,
and seeth Abraham afar off,
and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he cried and said,
Father Abraham,
have mercy on me,
and send Lazarus,
that he may dip the tip of his finger in water,
and cool my tongue;
for I am tormented in this flame.
But Abraham said,
Son,
remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things,
and likewise Lazarus evil things:
but now he is comforted,
and thou art tormented.
And beside all this,
between us and you there is a great gulf fixed:
so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot;
neither can they pass to us,
that would come from thence.
Then he said,
I pray thee therefore,
father,
that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
For I have five brethren;
that he may testify unto them,
lest they also come into this place of torment.
Abraham saith unto him,
They have Moses and the prophets;
let them hear them.
And he said,
Nay,
father Abraham:
but if one went unto them from the dead,
they will repent.
And he said unto him,
If they hear not Moses and the prophets,
neither will they be persuaded,
though one rose from the dead.

 

[BBAS 64]

Feeding the poor is proof of a Christian's faith.
Lu:6:46:
And why call ye me,
Lord,
Lord,
and do not the things which I say?

M't:7:21:
Not every one that saith unto me,
Lord,
Lord,
shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

It is the proof ( works) and not the cause (faith)

 

[Wayne Gabler]

It is the proof ( works) and not the cause (faith)

Is feeding disadvantaged people included in this list of obligations?
Ro:13:3-10:
For rulers are not a terror to good works,
but to the evil.
Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power?
do that which is good,
and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good.
But if thou do that which is evil,
be afraid;
for he beareth not the sword in vain:
for he is the minister of God,
a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Wherefore ye must needs be subject,
not only for wrath,
but also for conscience sake.
For for this cause pay ye tribute also:
for they are God's ministers,
attending continually upon this very thing.
Render therefore to all their dues:
tribute to whom tribute is due;
custom to whom custom;
fear to whom fear;
honour to whom honour.
Owe no man any thing,
but to love one another:
for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;
and if there be any other commandment,
it is briefly comprehended in this saying,
namely,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour:
therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

[Clare73]

Feeding the poor keeps them alive, the odds they will then feed the poor, as they are able to do, is quite high.

Keeping in mind that Jesus was born, lived, preached and died under the old covenant.
His answers to the Jews were in keeping with the old covenant of law righteousness, that they might realize their inability to be righteous by the law..

People who are not Christians and are feeding the poor will be gathered to God before people who say they have faith but do not feed the poor:

Not according to Jesus in Jn 3:18 and to NT apostolic teaching in Eph 2:8-9.

Lu:12:47-48:
And that servant,
which knew his lord's will,
and prepared not himself,
neither did according to his will,
shall be beaten with many stripes.
But he that knew not,
and did commit things worthy of stripes,
shall be beaten with few stripes.
For unto whomsoever much is given,
of him shall be much required:
and to whom men have committed much,
of him they will ask the more.

The 'rich man' represents Priests from the Temple in Jerusalem:
Lu:16:19-31:
There was a certain rich man,
which was clothed in purple and fine linen,
and fared sumptuously every day:
And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus,
which was laid at his gate,
full of sores,
And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table:
moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
And it came to pass,
that the beggar died,
and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom:
the rich man also died,
and was buried;
And in hell he lift up his eyes,
being in torments,
and seeth Abraham afar off,
and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he cried and said,
Father Abraham,
have mercy on me,
and send Lazarus,
that he may dip the tip of his finger in water,
and cool my tongue;
for I am tormented in this flame.
But Abraham said,
Son,
remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things,
and likewise Lazarus evil things:
but now he is comforted,
and thou art tormented.
And beside all this,
between us and you there is a great gulf fixed:
so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot;
neither can they pass to us,
that would come from thence.
Then he said,
I pray thee therefore,
father,
that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
For I have five brethren;
that he may testify unto them,
lest they also come into this place of torment.
Abraham saith unto him,
They have Moses and the prophets;
let them hear them.
And he said,
Nay,
father Abraham:
but if one went unto them from the dead,
they will repent.
And he said unto him,
If they hear not Moses and the prophets,
neither will they be persuaded,
though one rose from the dead.

 

[BBAS 64]

Is feeding disadvantaged people included in this list of obligations?
Ro:13:3-10:
For rulers are not a terror to good works,
but to the evil.
Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power?
do that which is good,
and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good.
But if thou do that which is evil,
be afraid;
for he beareth not the sword in vain:
for he is the minister of God,
a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Wherefore ye must needs be subject,
not only for wrath,
but also for conscience sake.
For for this cause pay ye tribute also:
for they are God's ministers,
attending continually upon this very thing.
Render therefore to all their dues:
tribute to whom tribute is due;
custom to whom custom;
fear to whom fear;
honour to whom honour.
Owe no man any thing,
but to love one another:
for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;
and if there be any other commandment,
it is briefly comprehended in this saying,
namely,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour:
therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Good Day,

No nor should one expect it to be.... it is loving and we are told to love one another.

 

[Wayne Gabler]

Keeping in mind that Jesus was born, lived, preached and died under the old covenant.
His answers to the Jews were in keeping with the old covenant of law righteousness, that they might realize their inability to be righteous by the law..



Not according to Jesus in Jn 3:18 and to NT apostolic teaching in Eph 2:8-9.

He changed the Passover meal from red meat to red wine (Cain's offering) He had to spend the same amount of time in hell that Jonah did when he changed the mission God sent him on. Moses-John did not place any other flesh under their care. Christ was High Priest to all flesh from Adam to Moses. Jesus did not kill a lamb as He would have been killing a member of His flock:
Da:2:37-38:
Thou,
O king,
art a king of kings:
for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom,
power,
and strength, and glory.
And wheresoever the children of men dwell,
the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand,
and hath made thee ruler over them all.
Thou art this head of gold.
Ho:4:3:
Therefore shall the land mourn,
and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish,
with the beasts of the field,
and with the fowls of heaven;
yea,
the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away.

Joh:3:18:
He that believeth on him is not condemned:
but he that believeth not is condemned already,
because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Joh:20:26-29:
And after eight days again his disciples were within,
and Thomas with them:
then came Jesus,
the doors being shut,
and stood in the midst,
and said,
Peace be unto you.
Then saith he to Thomas,
Reach hither thy finger,
and behold my hands;
and reach hither thy hand,
and thrust it into my side:
and be not faithless,
but believing.
And Thomas answered and said unto him,
My Lord and my God.
Jesus saith unto him,
Thomas,
because thou hast seen me,
thou hast believed:
blessed are they that have not seen,

Are Gentiles who believe the 4 Gospels stories going to be resurrected for the 1,000-year reign or not?

Eph:2:8-9:
For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that not of yourselves:
it is the gift of God:
Not of works,
lest any man should boast.

M't:25:40-46:
And the King shall answer and say unto them,
Verily I say unto you,
Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren,
ye have done it unto me.
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
Depart from me,
ye cursed,
into everlasting fire,
prepared for the devil and his angels:
For I was an hungred,
and ye gave me no meat:
I was thirsty,
and ye gave me no drink:
I was a stranger,
and ye took me not in:
naked,
and ye clothed me not:
sick,
and in prison,
and ye visited me not.
Then shall they also answer him,
saying,
Lord,
when saw we thee an hungred,
or athirst,
or a stranger,
or naked,
or sick,
or in prison,
and did not minister unto thee?
Then shall he answer them,
saying,
Verily I say unto you,
Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these,
ye did it not to me.
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:
but the righteous into life eternal.

Christians are supposed to feed believers and unbelievers:

M't:5:43-48:
Ye have heard that it hath been said,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour,
and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you,
Love your enemies,
bless them that curse you,
do good to them that hate you,
and pray for them which despitefully use you,
and persecute you;
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven:
for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good,
and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
For if ye love them which love you,
what reward have ye?
do not even the publicans the same?
And if ye salute your brethren only,
what do ye more than others?
do not even the publicans so?
Be ye therefore perfect,
even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

 

[Wayne Gabler]

Good Day,

No nor should one expect it to be.... it is loving and we are told to love one another.

Did the rich man love the beggar, he ended up in hell for not feeding the beggar:
Lu:16:19-24:
There was a certain rich man,
which was clothed in purple and fine linen,
and fared sumptuously every day:
And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus,
which was laid at his gate,
full of sores,
And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table:
moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
And it came to pass,
that the beggar died,
and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom:
the rich man also died,
and was buried;
And in hell he lift up his eyes,
being in torments,
and seeth Abraham afar off,
and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he cried and said,
Father Abraham,
have mercy on me,
and send Lazarus,
that he may dip the tip of his finger in water,
and cool my tongue;
for I am tormented in this flame.

 

[Clare73]

He changed the Passover meal from red meat to red wine (Cain's offering) He had to spend the same amount of time in hell that Jonah did when he changed the mission God sent him on. Moses-John did not place any other flesh under their care. Christ was High Priest to all flesh from Adam to Moses.

Not unless Melchizedek (who lived during the time of Abraham) was as old as Adam.

The author of Hebrews (in accordance with Jewish interpretation) uses the silence of Scripture about Melchizedek's genealogy to portray him as a prefiguration of Christ.

 

[Wayne Gabler]

Not unless Melchizedek (who lived during the time of Abraham) was as old as Adam.

The author of Hebrews (in accordance with Jewish interpretation) uses the silence of Scripture about Melchizedek's genealogy to portray him as a prefiguration of Christ.

Christ was the only High Priest to God between Adam and Moses. He was also High Priest to the 'sons of God' from Ge:6, Re:21 set of laws. When Abraham talked to 3 'people' on their way to Sodom, it was Christ who talked, the other two were God and the Holy Spirit from Ge:1. They showed their Son how to use the fire He will use to melt Satan's Babylon during the pouring out of the 7 vials (Re:16) Salem is where the altar Cain and Able were at.
Heb:7:1-4:
For this Melchisedec,
king of Salem,
priest of the most high God,
who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings,
and blessed him;
To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all;
first being by interpretation King of righteousness,
and after that also King of Salem,
which is,
King of peace;
Without father,
without mother,
without descent,
having neither beginning of days,
nor end of life;
but made like unto the Son of God;
abideth a priest continually.
Now consider how great this man was,
unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

Proverb:8:22-25:
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way,
before his works of old.
I was set up from everlasting,
from the beginning,
or ever the earth was.
When there were no depths,
I was brought forth;
when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Before the mountains were settled,
before the hills was I brought forth: \.
.
.
Vs:36

 

[BBAS 64]

Did the rich man love the beggar, he ended up in hell for not feeding the beggar:
Lu:16:19-24:
There was a certain rich man,
which was clothed in purple and fine linen,
and fared sumptuously every day:
And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus,
which was laid at his gate,
full of sores,
And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table:
moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
And it came to pass,
that the beggar died,
and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom:
the rich man also died,
and was buried;
And in hell he lift up his eyes,
being in torments,
and seeth Abraham afar off,
and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he cried and said,
Father Abraham,
have mercy on me,
and send Lazarus,
that he may dip the tip of his finger in water,
and cool my tongue;
for I am tormented in this flame.

Good Day,

I would say no... he ended up in hell because he was not one of the Shepard's sheep, but a goat.

He could not love like one of the Shepard's sheep..

He was not given by the Father to the Son for the explicit purpose of being raised up on the last day according to the Father's will.


Joh 6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.

In Him,

Bill