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How the Law harms you.

Discussion in 'Covenant Theology' started by Behold, Jun 11, 2020.

  1. ralliann

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    There is more than one covenant found in the Torah.
    Jos 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
    44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
    45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.


    1Ki 8:56 Blessed be the LORD, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to all that he promised: there hath not failed one word of all his good promise, which he promised by the hand of Moses his servant.
     
  2. 1213

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    I think the effect of sin is devastating. Law is good, because it tells correctly what is good and right. And I think sin means that person reject God and is without God. Person does that, when he wants something else than to be loyal to God. And then the problem really is that person wants bad/wrong things.

    But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed. Then the lust, when it has conceived, bears sin; and the sin, when it is full grown, brings forth death.
    James 1:14-15
     
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  3. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    Yes, there were more than one covenant. How can you not understand that the blood atonement is FROM Torah? It is not one or the other...
     
  4. pinacled

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    The bolded of Holy scripture precisely represents what was shared.
    A covenant of The Lord is One.



    1 corinthians 12
    [ "For just as the body is one but has many parts; and all the parts of the body, though many, constitute one body; so it is with the Messiah. "]


    A temperance of clay formed by The Lord is the treasure few find worthy.

    [ 24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked." ]
     
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  5. ralliann

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    I never denied blood atonement is from Torah. What I denied is what the Issue is for you?
     
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  6. ralliann

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    No actually there are two covenants. One for this world and this life and another for the next
     
  7. pinacled

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    "On earth as it is in Heaven ", is a single covenant far as I can see.

    A single Kingdom for all that are washed in The Lords Word.

    Blessed be The Holy One
     
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  8. ralliann

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    Ga 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

    Gen 15, Gen 17,

    Deut 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
    3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
     
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  9. pinacled

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    There is a reason I mention the terrain of Torah.
    Far as I can see ole sh'aul is contrasting Sinai to Tzion.
    While Sinai is a mount where people of a certain generation are recorded having and expressing a spirit of fear. T
    A generation that further asked for remission and were given temporal coverings from the blood of certain animals.

    Even so,
    The very same generation that swore an oath along with Moshe himself where only given a glimpse of the promised land and rest.


    Blessed be The Holy One
     
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  10. ralliann

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    There is a reason why Paul spoke of two covenants.
    Gal 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man’s covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. {covenant: or, testament }
    16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
    17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

    Yes, they bound themselves by an oath. The Sinai covenant was not made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
    But, the law of Moses was not added to it, as it cannot disanull it's mercy and grace.

    Binding and loosing.
    Mt 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
    Mt 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

    Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?




    The royal covenant of of mercy to all it concerned. Both of Jews and Gentiles in their own order.
    Faith in God and his faithfulness....
    Ge 22:16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
     
  11. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    Then what was your point??
     
  12. pinacled

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    By, "royal covenant" do you mean to express the Royal Torah?
     
  13. ralliann

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    That Torah is more than the law of Moses
     
  14. ralliann

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    What do you mean by express royal torah?

    What I mean by royal covenant is the covenant that promises kings for seed in Genesis 17.
    Ge 17:6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
    Ge 17:16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.
     
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  15. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    What do you mean?
     
  16. ralliann

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    There is the law of faith which the father of our faith Abraham kept for example. He offered up Isaac by faith, in obedience to the command of God.
     
  17. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men dream of truth, find it then cant live with it

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    What does this have to do with the previous conversation? BTW, yes faith...but he SHOWED it by DOING what was commanded. They work together.
     
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  18. pinacled

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    Knit in loving kindness
     
  19. pinacled

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    A wax molded in patience reveals the wick and flame in fellowship.

    Blessings Always
     
  20. ralliann

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    Yes, I said that already.
    Said that too!
    As for the previous conversation, I asked what significance that blood atonement was from Torah, in regards to another posters comments. You never responded. I simply gave my view. I still do not know your point, you have not responded.
     
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