How the Law harms you.

[Behold]

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The Law is Holy, but its effect on a human is devastating.

The power of SIN, is the LAW.

It defines you as a sinner, and this causes you to be spiritually disconnected from God.
Once you are (Born again) and """redeemed from the curse of the Law"" by Jesus, then the law has no more power of dominion to define you as anything..
However, if a saved person.... by "walking in the flesh".... falls from Grace, and tries to live a life that is based on faith in themselves and in their deeds to keep themselves saved, instead of trusting in Christ alone to keep them saved..... then the Law again has power over them, to keep them sinning and confessing and repenting.

The reason you find carnal Christians on Forums like this one angry and argumentative about...."well, you have to keep repenting, and confessing, as that is just how it is for a Christian".
NO, thats how it is for a deceived Christian, who has been faith ruined by their cult, their denomination, their lying commentaries, their family, their friends, their Pastor, Minister, Priest, Bishop, or whomever it was that led them to believe the lie that "you'll always sin, so, just accept it". = See, thats the devil's lie.

READER..-
Christ came to give you righteousness and Victory over sin. He didn't come so that you can stay the same as you were before you were saved, except that now you feel guilty about your sinning, whereas before you were saved, you didnt.


The power of the Law ..vs... the Power of Grace, OVER YOU, is determined by what you BELIEVE.
If you believe wrong you empower the Law to empower your flesh to cause you to sin more.
If you believe right, you then allow the dominion of GRACE to give you rest from your striving and self effort which allows the Power of Christ to deliver you from "sin consciousness",.... that is the reason you sin.

Why do you sin? Because you think about sin.
You have allowed your "old man" the old nature, to stay active, by trying to stop sinning by willpower. And when you do that, you empower the law to cause your flesh to be more active, and you sin more, and now you are in a vicious cycle all your life, that leads to no victory over your sin.
So, if you are delivered from this "walking in the flesh" MIND....this "carnal mind".. this wrong believing mind, then you lose that sin consciousness to the point that it has no power over you anymore.
When that is totally under YOUR control, = your MIND = then YOU are free and you are walking in the Spirit.
God's Grace is able to let you REST from your self effort to try to "live right", and once you are in THERE in your BELIEVING, you find rest for your soul and power over your own MIND. = And all of this is strictly connected to how you THINK and what you BELIEVE.
If you believe wrong, you will live wrong.
If you believe right, you will live right.

Hebrews :> tells us that if there had been a way for the law to give righteousness and freedom from sin consciousness, then the Law would have been good for us...... but it does the opposite. IT shows you that you are dirty before God, and it causes you to sin more.
So, GOD came here and offered a one time eternal redemption (THE CROSS) that delivers you from the law's dominion, and allows you God's GRACE to have a NEW MIND that is freed from "sin consciousness".
And THAT is the KEY to "walking in the Spirit".
You have to learn how to exist in Grace. Hebrews 13:9.
The proof that you are walking in the flesh, is if you are sin conscious, sinning, and repenting and confessing, all your Christian Life.
If that is your life, then you are not Believing RIGHT, and your wrong believing is ruining your Christian life.....for how long now? ???
You're born again, you'll go to heaven, but down here, you'll just exist as a sinning , repenting, confessing, Christian FAILURE.

To the rest of the world's unbelievers, the Law is not temporary, as currently they are all damned based on the Law's dominion, that has created them to be "sinners". John 3:36.
Every unbeliever is already Damned, and they are just waiting on the eternal Judgment.
The crime is committed, all that remains is the fulfillment of the sentence, = Hell then the Lake of Fire.
See, a Christ rejector is not damned later at the Grt White Throne, they are damned already, on earth.
The wrath of God is ON an Unbeliever, right now, before they die, and its the Law that creates this terrible situation.
Jesus came to take the law's dominion OFF of a person, and put them "under Grace" = born again.
"you are not under the law, you are UNDER GRACE".
"Jesus came to redeem us from the CURSE of the LAW". and did, if you are born again.

 

[ChristianGirl_96]

Thank you for this

 

[1213]

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The Law is Holy, but its effect on a human is devastating.

The power of SIN, is the LAW.

It defines you as a sinner, and this causes you to be spiritually disconnected from God....

I think it is actually so that sin is what leads to breaking the law. Sin is the opposite of rightness. Righteous lives, if he is loyal to God. If person is not loyal (faithful) and rejects God, it leads also to lawfulness. Law only tells what is wrong. And sinful nature leads person to want wrong things, which makes person also to reject God and that leads to breaking the law also.

Righteousness is what makes person do righteous actions, actions don’t make anyone righteous. Similarly, sinfulness is what makes person to do sinful actions. Actions are only the result, not the cause.

 

[visionary]

Is this thinking the reason that the idea of defunding the police is a good idea in some people's minds? The idea that the laws are interfering in living the good life has me confused. What kind of good life can you have without quidelines?

 

[JIMINZ]

What is the position of the Born Again Believer in relation to the effects of these verses?

Rom 8:3,4
3) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh,
God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh,
and for sin,
condemned sin in the flesh: .........WHY?
4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Owing to the fact sin has been Condemned (Destroyed) in the flesh of the Born Again Believer, how then does the Believer in Christ SIN?

 

[JIMINZ]

What is the position of the Born Again Believer regarding sin in relation to the effects of these verses?

Rom. 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren,
ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ;........WHY?
that ye should be married to another,
even to him who is raised from the dead,
that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Gal. 2:19
For I through the law am dead to the law,........Why?
that I might live unto God.

Owing to the fact, the Born Again Believer is Dead to the Law, how then does the Believer SIN?

 

[Ilikecats]

I’d agree with your view on repentance but I think that the mind is part of the flesh you inhabit. You’re not fully transformed in the flesh but instead the Spirit that indwells you leads you to righteousness.

 

[Jay Sea]

Sin means "missing the mark." Metanoia usually translated repentance means "Change your mind: Change your heart." Like drivers who run their cars into trees or street lamps who were looking at the looming object crashed" or sinned. "Look where you are going use the talents for good God has given you and your crashes (sins) will be minor in the main. If they are major learn the lesson and accept God's forgiveness which is endless and keep going on serving your fellow human beings no matter who they are by race or creed or nation.

In Love
Jay

 

[Lost4words]

Some good points indeed OP.

 

[JIMINZ]

I think it is actually so that sin is what leads to breaking the law.

1 Jn. 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law:
for sin is the transgression of the law.

 

[Studyman]

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The Law is Holy, but its effect on a human is devastating.

The power of SIN, is the LAW.

It defines you as a sinner, and this causes you to be spiritually disconnected from God.

There is a religious voice in this world, that has from the very beginning, promoted the theology that the Instructions of the God of the Bible is the problem for mankind. In our merciful's God's examples that HE had written for our admonition, we are shown how this "other religious voice" deceives men into believing HIS Laws make us blind, not rebellion and stubbornness that dwells in us. This "other voice" implies in its teaching that men are simply innocent victims of an unjust God with unjust laws. The goal of this voice is to cause people, who come to know God, NOT to Glorify Him as God. Paul speaks to this in His 1st Letter to the Romans.

Rom. 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, This is what happened to Eve.

From the very beginning this "other religious voice" has set out, by using Some of God's own Words, to convince humans to trust in their own vision, and not trust in the Word's of the God that made them.

Gen. 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Notice this "other voice" uses some of God's Words.

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

This voice looks straight at God's Own Words, and teaches against them. The first thing this "other voice" convinced Eve of, was that she was already saved no matter what the Word of God which became Flesh says. And it also preaches that God knows His Words are a burden that makes one blind.

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (Transgress the Commandment) then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

This is a cleaver deception because it convinced Eve that depending on her "own vision" was somehow righteous, while depending on God's Actual Commandment caused her harm.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat,

She was actually convinced that following God's Commandment kept her from wisdom. But following the vision and desires of her own human mind made her wise. But that was only the beginning. It wasn't enough for the "other religious voice" to deceive one woman, no, it's desire was for all humans. So then once Eve was deceived, the first thing she did was further her deception to others around her.

"and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."

It is written that satan deceives the whole world. It seems God has given us a perfect insight, from the Examples He had written for our admonition, into how he does it.

Causing Eve to be convinced that it was God's Commandment that "caused her to be spiritually disconnected from God", not rebelling against it.

Once you are (Born again) and """redeemed from the curse of the Law"" by Jesus, then the law has no more power of dominion to define you as anything..
However, if a saved person.... by "walking in the flesh".... falls from Grace, and tries to live a life that is based on faith in themselves and in their deeds to keep themselves saved, instead of trusting in Christ alone to keep them saved..... then the Law again has power over them, to keep them sinning and confessing and repenting.

So how is it that a man "yielding Himself to the God of the Bible", as the entire Bible from front to back instructs, is considered by many religious voices as "faith in themselves", but judging God's Law as "harmful" and a "yoke of Bondage" is considered being "faithful to God"?

What if Paul is right, and the "curse of the Law" is death, not the Law itself? What if the Bible is right, and Jesus came, not to free us from the Path HE Walked, given Him by the God of the Bible, but to free us from the death our own stubbornness and rebellion brought to us?

The reason you find carnal Christians on Forums like this one angry and argumentative about...."well, you have to keep repenting, and confessing, as that is just how it is for a Christian".

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

2 Cor. 7:9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.

10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

All sin is past sin. The implication in your teaching that I can repent now for the sin's I have not yet committed, may sound good, and by your own eyes wise, but the Scriptures do not teach it. It seems the arguments come down to one basic disagreement. Men who abelieve that " All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

And men who believe " The Law is Holy, but its effect on a human is devastating"

NO, thats how it is for a deceived Christian, who has been faith ruined by their cult, their denomination, their lying commentaries, their family, their friends, their Pastor, Minister, Priest, Bishop, or whomever it was that led them to believe the lie that "you'll always sin, so, just accept it". = See, thats the devil's lie.

No, the devils lie is not to believe the Word of God. That God's Law makes a person Blind. That the God of the Bible saved HIS People from the burden of sin and deception in Egypt, and then led them into a desert, only to place on their necks Laws so burdensome and Harmful that they were impossible to keep. But HE Commanded them to keep them anyway. And when they couldn't keep His Laws, He slaughtered them by the thousands anyway. So God sent His own Son, a handsome man with long flowing hair, to save them, not from the burden of deception, sin and Rebellion as the Scriptures teach, but to save them from the unjust God of the Bible and HIS Laws which cause them harm.

It is written that the Law and Prophets were written specifically for us upon whom the end of the world is come. We have what no other generation has had. We have the Holy Scriptures. He have the perfect examples of Faith in Christ Jesus.

Heb. 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

God's Law wasn't the reason "many were overthrown in the wilderness". God's Law didn't cause their Blindness. Don't fall for the oldest deception ever recorded in the history of the Bible.

 

[Behold]

Thank you for this

Thank you for reading the Thread.

 

[Behold]

I think it is actually so that sin is what leads to breaking the law.

See the Thread....

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

There is a religious voice in this world, that has from the very beginning, promoted the theology that the Instructions of the God of the Bible is the problem for mankind. In our merciful's God's examples that HE had written for our admonition, we are shown how this "other religious voice" deceives men into believing HIS Laws make us blind, not rebellion and stubbornness that dwells in us. This "other voice" implies in its teaching that men are simply innocent victims of an unjust God with unjust laws. The goal of this voice is to cause people, who come to know God, NOT to Glorify Him as God. Paul speaks to this in His 1st Letter to the Romans.

Rom. 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, This is what happened to Eve.

From the very beginning this "other religious voice" has set out, by using Some of God's own Words, to convince humans to trust in their own vision, and not trust in the Word's of the God that made them.

Gen. 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Notice this "other voice" uses some of God's Words.

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

This voice looks straight at God's Own Words, and teaches against them. The first thing this "other voice" convinced Eve of, was that she was already saved no matter what the Word of God which became Flesh says. And it also preaches that God knows His Words are a burden that makes one blind.

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (Transgress the Commandment) then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

This is a cleaver deception because it convinced Eve that depending on her "own vision" was somehow righteous, while depending on God's Actual Commandment caused her harm.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat,

She was actually convinced that following God's Commandment kept her from wisdom. But following the vision and desires of her own human mind made her wise. But that was only the beginning. It wasn't enough for the "other religious voice" to deceive one woman, no, it's desire was for all humans. So then once Eve was deceived, the first thing she did was further her deception to others around her.

"and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."

It is written that satan deceives the whole world. It seems God has given us a perfect insight, from the Examples He had written for our admonition, into how he does it.

Causing Eve to be convinced that it was God's Commandment that "caused her to be spiritually disconnected from God", not rebelling against it.



So how is it that a man "yielding Himself to the God of the Bible", as the entire Bible from front to back instructs, is considered by many religious voices as "faith in themselves", but judging God's Law as "harmful" and a "yoke of Bondage" is considered being "faithful to God"?

What if Paul is right, and the "curse of the Law" is death, not the Law itself? What if the Bible is right, and Jesus came, not to free us from the Path HE Walked, given Him by the God of the Bible, but to free us from the death our own stubbornness and rebellion brought to us?



1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

2 Cor. 7:9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.

10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

All sin is past sin. The implication in your teaching that I can repent now for the sin's I have not yet committed, may sound good, and by your own eyes wise, but the Scriptures do not teach it. It seems the arguments come down to one basic disagreement. Men who abelieve that " All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

And men who believe " The Law is Holy, but its effect on a human is devastating"



No, the devils lie is not to believe the Word of God. That God's Law makes a person Blind. That the God of the Bible saved HIS People from the burden of sin and deception in Egypt, and then led them into a desert, only to place on their necks Laws so burdensome and Harmful that they were impossible to keep. But HE Commanded them to keep them anyway. And when they couldn't keep His Laws, He slaughtered them by the thousands anyway. So God sent His own Son, a handsome man with long flowing hair, to save them, not from the burden of deception, sin and Rebellion as the Scriptures teach, but to save them from the unjust God of the Bible and HIS Laws which cause them harm.

It is written that the Law and Prophets were written specifically for us upon whom the end of the world is come. We have what no other generation has had. We have the Holy Scriptures. He have the perfect examples of Faith in Christ Jesus.

Heb. 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

God's Law wasn't the reason "many were overthrown in the wilderness". God's Law didn't cause their Blindness. Don't fall for the oldest deception ever recorded in the history of the Bible.

Excellent post! Isaiah 5:20
Shabbat Shalom!

 

[Studyman]

Excellent post! Isaiah 5:20
Shabbat Shalom!

Is. 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

Amen Brother!!!

 

[BNR32FAN]

However, if a saved person.... by "walking in the flesh".... falls from Grace, and tries to live a life that is based on faith in themselves and in their deeds to keep themselves saved, instead of trusting in Christ alone to keep them saved..... then the Law again has power over them, to keep them sinning and confessing and repenting.

I see a couple problems with this. Now I agree that if a person is thinking that their obedience saves them then yes they are lost. But I don’t know anyone who believes that and this is most often a deception created by those who believe in faith alone for salvation. People who advocate faith alone will accuse those who seek to obey Christ of trusting in their own obedience for salvation when this is a completely false accusation because these people typically know that nothing they do can pay for even one sin and they know that their sin can only be atoned by Christ’s sacrifice. So while they do believe in the importance of Matthew 7:21-27 and Matthew 25:31-46 they know that their obedience does not save them and only Christ’s sacrifice can do that however the people Jesus mentioned in Matthew 7:21-27 believed in Christ but they did not ACT on His words.

Why do you sin? Because you think about sin.
You have allowed your "old man" the old nature, to stay active, by trying to stop sinning by willpower. And when you do that, you empower the law to cause your flesh to be more active, and you sin more, and now you are in a vicious cycle all your life, that leads to no victory over your sin.
So, if you are delivered from this "walking in the flesh" MIND....this "carnal mind".. this wrong believing mind, then you lose that sin consciousness to the point that it has no power over you anymore.
When that is totally under YOUR control, = your MIND = then YOU are free and you are walking in the Spirit.
God's Grace is able to let you REST from your self effort to try to "live right", and once you are in THERE in your BELIEVING, you find rest for your soul and power over your own MIND. = And all of this is strictly connected to how you THINK and what you BELIEVE.
If you believe wrong, you will live wrong.
If you believe right, you will live right.

So in order to stop sinning you have to try to stop trying not to sin? How would that have worked out for the Good Samaritan? Should he have not tried to help the injured man but instead tried not to try to help the injured man and then somehow he would’ve automatically helped the injured man?

A person shouldn’t try to stop sinning they should try to stop trying to stop sinning? I mean I don’t know how that even works.

 

[1213]

1 Jn. 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law:
for sin is the transgression of the law.

Yes, I think that says it well, anyone who commits sin, also violates the law.

 

[Behold]

Is this thinking the reason that the idea of defunding the police is a good idea in some people's minds? The idea that the laws are interfering in living the good life has me confused. What kind of good life can you have without quidelines?

The commandments , which are what you are talking about and not the Law, as there are over 600 OT Laws that you are not familiar with, and you are certainly not keeping them, and neither is anyone else here who rants about "keeping the law", while you don't even know how many there are.......or anything about them....
So,
Everyone knows that the commandments are good, and that Jesus gave us 2, that if we keep them, we keep them all...
Sure.
So, thats not the issue.
The issue is, when a believer is trying by commandment keeping, to STAY SAVED..... To try to keep yourself in God's favor... by commandment keeping and lifestyle.
When you are doing this, you have "fallen from Grace", and are walking in YOUR FLESH trying by SELF EFFORT to do ONLY= what the Blood of Jesus can do for you.
So, as long as you are not doing that..............
Are you?

 

[Behold]

What if Paul is right, and the "curse of the Law" is death, not the Law itself?
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Paul does not teach that the Law isn't the curse.
So, thats your bizarre idea of Paul's theology.

Christ came to "redeem us from the CURSE of the LAW"..

So, try to understand this, and then you'll be in line with Paul, and the NT.
See, this is why we are "not under the LAW but under GRAVE".....as the law is a CURSE to a human being.

Do not teach otherwise, or you are denying the truth, regarding the "law", as Paul defined its effect on us.

Jesus came to deliver us from the CURSE OF THE Law.
So, do not try to put people back under the curse, studyman.

Instead, study the word, and align your theology with Paul, as currently you are not doing this, at all.

 

[Studyman]

Paul does not teach that the Law isn't the curse.
So, thats your bizarre idea of Paul's theology.

Christ came to "redeem us from the CURSE of the LAW"..

So, try to understand this, and then you'll be in line with Paul, and the NT.
See, this is why we are "not under the LAW but under GRAVE".....as the law is a CURSE to a human being.

Do not teach otherwise, or you are denying the truth, regarding the "law", as Paul defined its effect on us.

Jesus came to deliver us from the CURSE OF THE Law.
So, do not try to put people back under the curse, studyman.

Instead, study the word, and align your theology with Paul, as currently you are not doing this, at all.

I know how powerful religious tradition is according to the Holy Scriptures. When combined with the pride of man, and their refusal to accept any kind of correction, especially from the Perfect Word of God, it creates a very strong religious deception. In Jesus time, the only mainstream God of Abraham preaching people on the planet murdered their own God, completely convinced they were serving this same God. When Jesus exposed the deception that was in them, using the Holy Scriptures, they hated Him for it and refused to even discuss the Scriptures which exposed them. Notice HIS enemy was not those who didn't know of the God of Abraham, but those who called Him Lord, Lord. In fact, according to Jesus Himself, the greatest danger for a man seeking the Creator God of the Bible, is being deceived by men who call Him Lord, Lord. I would post His Word's, but you don't seem very interested in scriptures which may bring doctrines you have been convinced of, into question.

Today there are religious men who actually Preach to the world, that the Path Jesus walked was a Curse for all mankind. And that any man who would believe in the Jesus of the Bible enough to actually "DO" what HE said to do, is cursed. That any man who would strive to "walk, even as HE walked, is cursed. That all who would believe in Him enough to actually follow His Instructions, both as the Word of God which became Flesh, and as the Flesh the Word of God became, are cursed.

They would have us believe that the Prophets God sent, were trying to bring all those people under this curse you preach to the world is God's Laws.

That God deceived men by commanding they be brought under this curse, that you preach isn't the death our rebellion and stubbornness brought on our own head, But the Law itself which defines and exposes this stubbornness.

Paul did not teach this. He said himself that he believes "ALL" that is written in the Law and Prophets that Jesus said Himself men shall live by.

The religion that teaches or implies such foolishness must first be convinced to "omit" much of the Word of God, and trust other religious "voices" of this world.

An example of this is you preach that God placed on the backs of His Children, over 600 laws, when HE bought them out of Egypt.

You preach this as TRUTH, you believe this as truth, you have been convinced that this is truth.

But it is an insidious falsehood. I know you didn't study and read God's Word and count them, because if you had, you wouldn't be preaching this falsehood. You heard this from some random website, and because it furthered your religious belief that God's Laws are the "curse", you ran with it. It isn't true, God didn't do this to HIS Children, I can prove it Scripturally 100%. But you believe it just the same. This is what being deceived is like. Remember, for a person to be truly deceived, they must be completely convinced they are not. You can not prove your "over 600 Law" preaching without first going outside God's Word to "another voice", because God's Word teaches no such thing.

Just as the mainstream preachers of Jesus time were convinced Jesus broke God's Sabbath by walking in fellowship and eating a strawberry or ear of corn on God's Holy Sabbath. They believed this doctrine, they were completely convinced of this doctrine, but it wasn't true. God never gave anyone a Law which said they could not take a walk in fellowship and eat a raspberry on His Holy Sabbath. Just as God never placed over 600 Laws on the necks of His People. Folks who preach such things are deceived or deceivers.

So surely you must understand that I can not trust my salvation, and that of my wife and children on your teaching.

But we can both trust our Salvation to the Word of God which became Flesh.

"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD which proceeds from the mouth of God"

According to the Scriptures, although there are many "other voices" out there, this is the ONLY voice we can trust.

It boils down to Faith. Do we really believe the Word's of the God of the Bible? Or have we been convinced, as was Eve, that much of God's Word is a Curse?