How the Law harms you.

[ralliann]

Well yeah, I said that...that was in Torah.

Which torah? the torah of faith. Abraham did not have the added torah from Moses.

 

[pinacled]

Which torah? the torah of faith. Abraham did not have the added torah from Moses.

Correction:
Avrhm had not received any additional torah.
What is beyond the inheritance offered is found in The Washing of The Word given moshe.


Then fulfilled by Yeshua(jesus)

Blessed be The Holy One

 

[ralliann]

Correction:
Avrhm had not received any additional torah.

Who are you correcting? I never said Abraham received additional Torah.

 

[pinacled]

Who are you correcting? I never said Abraham received additional Torah.

The correction offered is for all sons and daughters that are currently reading and listening in spirit.

The birds are never divided

Jeremiah 30:22

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Which torah? the torah of faith. Abraham did not have the added torah from Moses.

All of it was in Torah...that was my point. YHVH gave Torah to Avraham and he obeyed (Akedah). It is not either or...

 

[ralliann]

All of it was in Torah...that was my point. YHVH gave Torah to Avraham and he obeyed (Akedah). It is not either or...

Abraham Did not have Torah from Moses. That was my point.

 

[Studyman]

Abraham Did not have Torah from Moses. That was my point.

Abraham had God's Commandments, God's Judgments, Statutes and Laws. At least if a person believes what is written. Abraham's children were also given God's Commandments, God's Judgments, Statutes and Laws through His Prophet Moses.

But God also "ADDED" a Priesthood Covenant with Levi which provided temporary priesthood deeds and "works" performed for the forgiveness of Transgressions of God's Commandments, God's Judgments, Statutes and Laws, AKA Sins, "til the seed should Come".

These are the two Covenants you keep referring to. You are trying to combine them as one Covenant, but Paul explains they are two covenants.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Abraham Did not have Torah from Moses. That was my point.

They both had Torah from YHVH...and obeyed.

 

[pinacled]

Abraham had God's Commandments, God's Judgments, Statutes and Laws. At least if a person believes what is written. Abraham's children were also given God's Commandments, God's Judgments, Statutes and Laws through His Prophet Moses.

But God also "ADDED" a Priesthood Covenant with Levi which provided temporary priesthood deeds and "works" performed for the forgiveness of Transgressions of God's Commandments, God's Judgments, Statutes and Laws, AKA Sins, "til the seed should Come".

These are the two Covenants you keep referring to. You are trying to combine them as one Covenant, but Paul explains they are two covenants.

There are no "additions" to, The single Holy covenant.

 

[pinacled]

They both had Torah from YHVH...and obeyed.

The op is attempting to sow strife by claiming Adonai shows partiality.

 

[ralliann]

There are no "additions" to, The single Holy covenant.

No there are not works of Moses torah added to the torah of faith. The torah of faith is not disanulled by torah of works

 

[ralliann]

They both had Torah from YHVH...and obeyed.

I agree the torah of faith is not abolished by the torah of works

 

[pinacled]

No there are not works of Moses torah added to the torah of faith. The torah of faith is not disanulled by torah of works

Romans 3

Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[pinacled]

I agree the torah of faith is not abolished by the torah of works

Romans 13:10

 

[pinacled]

Romans 3

Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Faith without works

"Do not love as cain had......"

 

[ralliann]

Romans 3

Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Again this is about the law of faith.

 

[ralliann]

There are no "additions" to, The single Holy covenant.

The royal covenant of Genesis 17, I would agree

 

[Dovid / עבד ישוע ...דוד]

They both had Torah from YHVH...and obeyed.

GEN 26:05
עֵקֶב, אֲשֶׁר-שָׁמַע אַבְרָהָם בְּקֹלִי; וַיִּשְׁמֹר, מִשְׁמַרְתִּי, מִצְוֺתַי, חֻקּוֹתַי וְתוֹרֹתָי

Note the word "וְתוֹרֹתָי" (and My Torah's) is in the plural...?

What are these 2x Torah..?
Written + Oral

 

[ralliann]

GEN 26:05
עֵקֶב, אֲשֶׁר-שָׁמַע אַבְרָהָם בְּקֹלִי; וַיִּשְׁמֹר, מִשְׁמַרְתִּי, מִצְוֺתַי, חֻקּוֹתַי וְתוֹרֹתָי

Note the word "וְתוֹרֹתָי" (and My Torah's) is in the plural...?

What are these 2x Torah..?
Written + Oral

Oral Torah from Sinai
Consultation of the Urim and thummim, in the breastplate of Judgement.

8 If there arise a matter too hard for thee in judgment, between blood and blood, between plea and plea, and between stroke and stroke, being matters of controversy within thy gates: then shalt thou arise, and get thee up into the place which the LORD thy God shall choose;
9 And thou shalt come unto the priests the Levites, and unto the judge that shall be in those days, and enquire; and they shall shew thee the sentence of judgment:
10 And thou shalt do according to the sentence, which they of that place which the LORD shall choose shall shew thee; and thou shalt observe to do according to all that they inform thee:
11 According to the sentence of the law which they shall teach thee, and according to the judgment which they shall tell thee, thou shalt do: thou shalt not decline from the sentence which they shall shew thee, to the right hand, nor to the left.
12 And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die: and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel. {and will … : Heb. not to hearken }
13 And all the people shall hear, and fear, and do no more presumptuously.

Verse 11 is literally
De 17:11 According to the sentence <06310> of the law <08451> which they shall teach <03384>
06310 פה peh peh, Mouth (Aka oral)
08451 תורה towrah to-raw’ or תרה torah to-raw’ , law


Mouth of the law, Oral torah came from the highpriest in consultation of the urim and thummim

Nu 27:21 And he shall stand before Eleazar the priest, who shall ask counsel for him after the judgment of Urim before the LORD: at his word shall they go out, and at his word they shall come in, both he, and all the children of Israel with him, even all the congregation.
De 33:8 And of Levi he said, Let thy Thummim and thy Urim be with thy holy one, whom thou didst prove at Massah, and with whom thou didst strive at the waters of Meribah;

 

[Behold]

The op is attempting to sow strife by claiming Adonai shows partiality.

Old Testament was replaced by the New Testament.
The Old Covenant was replaced by the New Covenant
The Law is in effect for the unbeliever.
Grace is in effect for the Born again.
Currently, in the "time of the Gentiles", God is offering Salvation as "the Gift of Righteousness".
Once the Great Trib starts, this offer of "Gift"..."The Gift of Salvation". "The Gift of Righteousness", will cease.