How the Democratic Party opposes Christian Principles

[Flynmonkie]

To Flynmonkie

Throughout your discussion you show you are concerned about a lot of the social issues of society.

However, I don't seem to be able to convince you that the solution to all problems of society begin with advocating Christianity and rejecting Atheism.

Advocating Christianity and rejecting Atheism is an abstract concept, but voting for a Republican or a democrat is where the rubber meets the road.

Republicans have yet to prove to me that they really support Christian principles, but democrats have proven they do "not" support Christian Principles.

No one can guarantee that a Republican will do right no more than any one can guarantee a democrat will do wrong, but the probabilities favor the Republicans supporting Christian Principles and the democrats opposing Christian Principles.

The only way the democratic party will ever change from the position of advocating the Atheistic Lifestyle is for people to refuse to vote for democratic candidates.

I tell you what. How about YOU go stand in the middle of a busy highway, do nothing, but pray you will not be hit.

Make sure you videotape it so if it works -- I will believe you do nothing with your God given choice and will. OR I will make a whole bunch of money.. Just leave a SASE addressed to me, and instructions for the tape.

Seriously though, don't do that. I know the outcome. I pray every day. I did not vote for 35 years because I felt I wasn't informed enough to back anyone. Not proud of that, yet, I think it worse to vote in ignorance. Of course, we never know. But what I do know is THIS is the way our government runs. I take both sides and ethically decide which of the two "evils" (if there is such a thing) is worse. For the most part, it is sort of like Bentham’s Hedonistic calculus.. I think I will rename that Spiritual Discernment Calculus, or how about Logical Christian Calculus based on spiritual discernment using the God given logic and analysis I have. To the best of my ability. (I know I know, I hear, but what are the basis.. it is based on a reality and mixed with discernment. Unfortunately, it would not be considered valid by most philosophers) One way or another everything seems to be about balance. This election, although I don't agree with EVERYTHING democratic (sorry guys!) I am certainly tired of what I see with the Republicans. Therefore, which ever side is heavy; I reduce the load by hopping on the other. How’s that for an explanation.

It is always difficult discerning where our will and Gods will meet and shake hands. This is an individual thing, I believe we have some indications, or markers in our path, but for the most part - life is about choice. Again, I work with what I am given.


Regarding Atheists, again, none of my business. I cannot convince someone there is more in life than just Physical. Nor obviously am I able to convince you that God gave us sense to make our own choices outside of the spiritual or metaphysical. Only God can do this. I believe we cannot see something that is obviously a reality in this word and completely disregard it because "it is of this world." Not only is that cheating (lazy), but it shows no sense of maturity in faith.

If someone were to attack your child in front of me, I would protect that Child, but I will only use force necessary. If the perp dies, unfortunately it is justified. If someone looks at me wrong and I kill them... that is a different story. Now, do you think God would have me stand there and watch a child harmed? Meanwhile, just pray it would stop. Or would he want me to use my God given abilities to protect while praying it works out? I think the latter. (Although, I do believe it to be possible when you don't know what to do, He will intervene if you ask.)

SO there ya go. This is my take on the whole process.

Right now it is the Republicans that are tipping the scales; it is time to jump on the other side. That is pretty much historically what a populist does. They see the need for something, and figure out the best way to get it done.

Populism is a political philosophy or rhetorical style that holds that the common person is oppressed by the "elite" in society, and that the instruments of the State need to be grasped from this self-serving elite and used for the benefit and advancement of the people as a whole. The ideal projected by populism is that of reaching out to ordinary people, talking about their economic and social concerns, and appealing to their common sense. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populist

 

[Nathan Poe]

However, I don't seem to be able to convince you that the solution to all problems of society begin with advocating Christianity and rejecting Atheism.

I'm an Atheist -- How would you have society "reject" me?

Time for the rubber to meet the road, clirus.

 

[KomissarSteve]

However, I don't seem to be able to convince you that the solution to all problems of society begin with advocating Christianity and rejecting Atheism

That's because the "problems" you illustrate with the country, and the solution you propose, don't exactly jive with reality. Countries with a more liberal policy towards homosexuals have standards of living equal to or surpassing our own, whereas attempts to legislate morality in this country have proven to be exercises in futility at best, and outright embarrassments in most cases.

 

[Ringo84]

Ringo84 quote

The "Atheistic Lifestyle" is promoted by having Democrats in control? That does not follow at all.

Response

One of the works of Satan is to take the good things of the Bible and pervert them to evil.

Extreme environmentalism, where one worships nature instead of God, is a perversion of God's instruction to have dominion over the earth.

Socialism, where one uses government for charity, is a perversion of God's instruction that individuals should show charity.

Feminism is a perversion of God's purpose for women.

Pornography is a perversion of God's intent for sex within a marriage.

Abortion is a perversion of God's freedom of choice.

Homosexuality is a perversion of God's intent for sexuality.

The democratic party supports the Atheistic Lifestyle by appointing judges who legalize pornography, abortion and homosexuality. The democratic party has always supported and was supported by the extreme environmentalists, the abortionists, and the socialists.

The democratic party always proposes socialistic solutions to social problems such as the Universal Health Care.

A perfect example of the democratic party supporting homosexuality was the Oregon domestic partnerships.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_partnership_in_Oregon

However, after the November 2006 mid-term elections Democrats won a majority of the formerly Republican-controlled house[4], and in early 2007, Democrats was re-introduced a bill in the House similar to the 2005 legislation. The bill adopted the term "domestic partnership" to describe these unions; the terms "marriage" or "civil union" were absent. This bill enjoyed a relatively easy passage through the legislature, when compared to its 2005 predecessor. Passed by the House on April 17, 2007 (by a vote of 34-26) and by the Senate on May 2, 2007 (by a vote of 21-9), Governor Kulongiski signed the Oregon Family Fairness Act on May 9, 2007. The law is not scheduled to take effect until January 1, 2008.

democrats have proven they do "not" support Christian Principles.

In your mind, maybe so. But why does the Democratic party have to prove anything to you?

Extreme environmentalism, where one worships nature instead of God, is a perversion of God's instruction to have dominion over the earth.

Socialism, where one uses government for charity, is a perversion of God's instruction that individuals should show charity.

Feminism is a perversion of God's purpose for women.

Pornography is a perversion of God's intent for sex within a marriage.

Abortion is a perversion of God's freedom of choice.

Homosexuality is a perversion of God's intent for sexuality.

The democratic party supports the Atheistic Lifestyle by appointing judges who legalize pornography, abortion and homosexuality. The democratic party has always supported and was supported by the extreme environmentalists, the abortionists, and the socialists.

The democratic party always proposes socialistic solutions to social problems such as the Universal Health Care.

A perfect example of the democratic party supporting homosexuality was the Oregon domestic partnerships.

Yes yes. I have already read through your definitions of "socialism" and "extreme environmentalism". They're a lot to read but actually say very little. Providing the same canned response to when someone asks you to define terms such as "extreme environmentalism" doesn't help your case.
Ringo

 

[clirus]

Flynmonkie quote

One way or another everything seems to be about balance. This election, although I don't agree with EVERYTHING democratic (sorry guys!) I am certainly tired of what I see with the Republicans. Therefore, which ever side is heavy; I reduce the load by hopping on the other. How's that for an explanation.

Response

Why are you tired of what you see with the Republicans?

Could it be that the propaganda of the Atheistic Liberal News Media is very effective? I have a blog that presents examples of the news media attacks Republicans, but says little about democrats.

http://narj-clirus.blogspot.com/

There is a cultural war in America between Christians and Atheists. This war is being fought on the battlefield of politics. The battles are in the voting booth. The prize in the cultural war is the hearts, minds and souls of the children. The Atheistic liberal news media greatly influences both domestic and foreign policy by constantly reporting only bad news about Christians, conservatives and Republicans and only good news about atheists, liberals and democrats. The agenda of the Atheistic liberal news media is to promote extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion, homosexuality and the Atheistic Lifestyle by having democrats in control of government.

Do the democrats really have a better solution? Nancy Pelosi said the democrats were going to solve everything in the first 100 days after the 2006 election. Promises and good intentions are not reality. I think democrats are very loose with the truth. They know a lot more than they tell. Hillary Clinton knows the Iraq War was the right thing to do, but she has to oppose the war to get votes.

When compared to perfection, Republicans did not look good, but when compared to democrats, Republicans look brilliant. Without the propaganda support of the Atheistic Liberal News Media the democrats would look ridicules.

If you were just voting to make a statement to the world that America favors the Christian Lifestyle or the Atheistic Lifestyle, would you vote for a Republican or a democrat.

I consider how a person votes as a very serious matter. To me advocating and voting for Christian Principles is a testimony of being a Christian. Your vote may not be known to other people, but it is known by God.

 

[clirus]

KomissarSteve quote

That's because the "problems" you illustrate with the country, and the solution you propose, don't exactly jive with reality. Countries with a more liberal policy towards homosexuals have standards of living equal to or surpassing our own, whereas attempts to legislate morality in this country have proven to be exercises in futility at best, and outright embarrassments in most cases.

Response

I am not aware of a country that has a more liberal policy toward homosexuals that has a standards of living equal to or surpassing America. Certainly, Africa is not an example. America seems to be the only country that has a major immigration problem.

Nothing I have written stated that government should legislate morality. Government should incorporate into Civil Law those things that are a threat to society. If you want to know the things that are a threat to society without have to go through the painful process of decease, death and destruction, then just read the Bible. It is a wise man that learns from the mistakes of others, and the Bible is full of examples of mistakes and the consequences of those mistakes.

The government/state should discourage evil (non religious) by pointing out the disease, death and destruction of evil, and the church should encourage good.

A government cannot create an ethical society by imposing ethics, however an ethical society can be created when God imposes ethics on people and the people vote for ethical government leaders. A government can create an unethical/Atheistic society by opposing Christian ethics.

 

[clirus]

Nathan Poe quote

I'm an Atheist -- How would you have society "reject" me?

Response

Evil will never be eliminated from the world.

I believe that if people are presented an honest unbiased presentation of the Atheistic Lifestyle and the Christian Lifestyle, they would choose the Christian Lifestyle and the Atheistic Lifestyle would fade back into the closet.

 

[Sphere]

by "honest unbiased presentation" of the "atheistic lifestyle" of course, you really are talking about the garbage you've been regurgitating here in this thread, jam packed with misrepresentations, mischaracterizations, and lies.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Nathan Poe quote

I'm an Atheist -- How would you have society "reject" me?

Response

Evil will never be eliminated from the world.

So you think i'm evil -- why?

I believe that if people are presented an honest unbiased presentation of the Atheistic Lifestyle and the Christian Lifestyle, they would choose the Christian Lifestyle and the Atheistic Lifestyle would fade back into the closet.

You're wrong, clirus.

I have been presented with such a view -- thanks to you. I now reject your "Christian Lifestyle" more than I ever did.

You've failed, clirus.

 

[Nathan Poe]

by "honest unbiased presentation" of the "atheistic lifestyle" of course, you really are talking about the garbage you've been regurgitating here in this thread, jam packed with misrepresentations, mischaracterizations, and lies.

And he wonders why we all don't jump on his bandwagon.

 

[KomissarSteve]

I am not aware of a country that has a more liberal policy toward homosexuals that has a standards of living equal to or surpassing America.

As of 2005, the U.S. ranked 13th on The Economist's Quality of Life Index, one of the most reliable measures of worldwide standard of living. Canada and Spain have legalized gay marriage, and Norway, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, Denmark, Iceland, Luxembourg, and big parts of Australia all have more egalitarian policies towards gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered lifestyles. They also all have higher standards of living than the U.S. (except for Canada, which is almost tied with the U.S.)

The implication that egalitarian policies towards alternative lifestyles leads to the crumbling of society that you consistently make does not reflect the facts.

Nothing I have written stated that government should legislate morality. Government should incorporate into Civil Law those things that are a threat to society.

And thus far, you have determined what is dangerous for society in your own mind by using criteria based on an extremely narrow morality. So yes, actually, you are advocating legislating morality.

If you want to know the things that are a threat to society without have to go through the painful process of decease, death and destruction, then just read the Bible. It is a wise man that learns from the mistakes of others, and the Bible is full of examples of mistakes and the consequences of those mistakes.

Nowhere in the Bible does a society crumble because of homosexuality. And no, before you say it, Sodom and Gomorrah didn't collapse because of homosexuality; they collapsed because they violated the norms of hospitality of their day.

The government/state should discourage evil (non religious) by pointing out the disease, death and destruction of evil

You've failed to make a correlation between "disease, death, and destruction" and many of the concepts you've listed as evil, including, but not limited to, homosexuality, feminism, and environmentalism.

A government cannot create an ethical society by imposing ethics, however an ethical society can be created when God imposes ethics on people and the people vote for ethical government leaders. A government can create an unethical/Atheistic society by opposing Christian ethics.

Christ teaches us to "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" - in other words, to keep Church and State separate. An ethical society is one in which individuals become moral members of society through being led by example, not by having their free will restricted by narrow-minded interpretations of the Mosaic Law.

 

[Flynmonkie]

Flynmonkie quote

One way or another everything seems to be about balance. This election, although I don't agree with EVERYTHING democratic (sorry guys!) I am certainly tired of what I see with the Republicans. Therefore, which ever side is heavy; I reduce the load by hopping on the other. How's that for an explanation.

Response

Why are you tired of what you see with the Republicans?

Could it be that the propaganda of the Atheistic Liberal News Media is very effective? I have a blog that presents examples of the news media attacks Republicans, but says little about democrats.

http://narj-clirus.blogspot.com/

There is a cultural war in America between Christians and Atheists. This war is being fought on the battlefield of politics. The battles are in the voting booth. The prize in the cultural war is the hearts, minds and souls of the children. The Atheistic liberal news media greatly influences both domestic and foreign policy by constantly reporting only bad news about Christians, conservatives and Republicans and only good news about atheists, liberals and democrats. The agenda of the Atheistic liberal news media is to promote extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion, homosexuality and the Atheistic Lifestyle by having democrats in control of government.

Do the democrats really have a better solution? Nancy Pelosi said the democrats were going to solve everything in the first 100 days after the 2006 election. Promises and good intentions are not reality. I think democrats are very loose with the truth. They know a lot more than they tell. Hillary Clinton knows the Iraq War was the right thing to do, but she has to oppose the war to get votes.

When compared to perfection, Republicans did not look good, but when compared to democrats, Republicans look brilliant. Without the propaganda support of the Atheistic Liberal News Media the democrats would look ridicules.

If you were just voting to make a statement to the world that America favors the Christian Lifestyle or the Atheistic Lifestyle, would you vote for a Republican or a democrat.

I consider how a person votes as a very serious matter. To me advocating and voting for Christian Principles is a testimony of being a Christian. Your vote may not be known to other people, but it is known by God.

I am not fond of Nancy Pelosi either. I HAVE witnessed in my state the issues with the Republican elitist party, it is verifiable -- I imagine you will see this in our next election. People are angry.

That being said, your not worried about my vote known by God, your worried about my vote in opposition to your own. I can substantiate my reasons. Where are yours? Where is your Christian excuse that my son has not seen a doctor in three years because we cannot afford the thearpy and he is uninsurable. Where is your Christian spirit when my grandmother cannot get the meds she needs working on three different SS accounts that have been paid in for her welfare? Where is your Christian attitude when your Republican votes to swindle all the new college students by selling their MOHELA loans off to private entities that will not honor the privisions of a government subsidized note that had been agreed on (fluxuating interest rates). Luckily, someone smart enough raised the idea it was illegal. Ya Think? Pretty darn scary to have someone in that position that would go to such extents with something before even checking the legalities, that pretty much should be common sense. How’s about your Christian vote when that same Republican thinks the way to teach our children is to have "gun-toting"' teachers??... If ya don’t mind, we’ll shoot ya!

Tell you what, your going to be hard pressed to come up with an answer for these things...

I could go on.

Right now, Republicans with the immoral thoughts are in the majority. I don't care if someone wants to purposely go out and sex, drug, and alcohol themselves to death. That is their choice; they have God to answer to. They are hurting themselves. What I do care about are those that rely on our protections that are receiving exploitation instead. Seems that would be more of a Christian attitude to me, than to continue to promote greed and lopsided capitalism and worry about micromanaging others lives to the extent it becomes a dictatorship. Blah, you just make no sense.

 

[tulc]

Atheistic Liberal News Media

DRINK!
and it's a 2fer!

Atheistic Liberal News Media

DRINK!
tulc(that's pretty good!)

 

[dlamberth]

I believe that if people are presented an honest unbiased presentation of the Atheistic Lifestyle and the Christian Lifestyle, they would choose the Christian Lifestyle and the Atheistic Lifestyle would fade back into the closet.

and your presentation of what a Christian Lifestyle is, is unbiased?

.

 

[KomissarSteve]

DRINK!
and it's a 2fer!

DRINK!
tulc(that's pretty good!)

Boy, I'm gonna be sick tomorrow morning.

 

[Nathan Poe]

and your presentation of what a Christian Lifestyle is, is unbiased?

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If it is, then as I have already noted, it's a bust -- not only has clirus failed to convince a single practicioner of the "Atheistic Lifestyle," but even his fellow Christians are against his plan.

If it's not, then clirus has shown his true hand -- he doesn't want "unbiased," he wants bias on his side, by censoring his opponents.

 

[Flynmonkie]

If it's not, then clirus has shown his true hand -- he doesn't want "unbiased," he wants bias on his side, by censoring his opponents.

I concur to this.

 

[Ringo84]

Flynmonkie quote

One way or another everything seems to be about balance. This election, although I don't agree with EVERYTHING democratic (sorry guys!) I am certainly tired of what I see with the Republicans. Therefore, which ever side is heavy; I reduce the load by hopping on the other. How's that for an explanation.

Response

Why are you tired of what you see with the Republicans?

Could it be that the propaganda of the Atheistic Liberal News Media is very effective? I have a blog that presents examples of the news media attacks Republicans, but says little about democrats.

http://narj-clirus.blogspot.com/

There is a cultural war in America between Christians and Atheists. This war is being fought on the battlefield of politics. The battles are in the voting booth. The prize in the cultural war is the hearts, minds and souls of the children. The Atheistic liberal news media greatly influences both domestic and foreign policy by constantly reporting only bad news about Christians, conservatives and Republicans and only good news about atheists, liberals and democrats. The agenda of the Atheistic liberal news media is to promote extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion, homosexuality and the Atheistic Lifestyle by having democrats in control of government.

Do the democrats really have a better solution? Nancy Pelosi said the democrats were going to solve everything in the first 100 days after the 2006 election. Promises and good intentions are not reality. I think democrats are very loose with the truth. They know a lot more than they tell. Hillary Clinton knows the Iraq War was the right thing to do, but she has to oppose the war to get votes.

When compared to perfection, Republicans did not look good, but when compared to democrats, Republicans look brilliant. Without the propaganda support of the Atheistic Liberal News Media the democrats would look ridicules.

If you were just voting to make a statement to the world that America favors the Christian Lifestyle or the Atheistic Lifestyle, would you vote for a Republican or a democrat.

I consider how a person votes as a very serious matter. To me advocating and voting for Christian Principles is a testimony of being a Christian. Your vote may not be known to other people, but it is known by God.

Could it be that the propaganda of the Atheistic Liberal News Media is very effective? I have a blog that presents examples of the news media attacks Republicans, but says little about democrats.

http://narj-clirus.blogspot.com/

There is a cultural war in America between Christians and Atheists. This war is being fought on the battlefield of politics. The battles are in the voting booth. The prize in the cultural war is the hearts, minds and souls of the children. The Atheistic liberal news media greatly influences both domestic and foreign policy by constantly reporting only bad news about Christians, conservatives and Republicans and only good news about atheists, liberals and democrats. The agenda of the Atheistic liberal news media is to promote extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion, homosexuality and the Atheistic Lifestyle by having democrats in control of government.

Must you continue to copy and paste the same tired passage over and over? We've heard your assertions about the culture war and how the Democratic party supposedly opposes Christian principles. How about finally defending that position?
Ringo

 

[Sphere]

If it is, then as I have already noted, it's a bust -- not only has clirus failed to convince a single practicioner of the "Atheistic Lifestyle," but even his fellow Christians are against his plan.

If it's not, then clirus has shown his true hand -- he doesn't want "unbiased," he wants bias on his side, by censoring his opponents.

That's where it all falls through. He talks about this nation, as if it's floundering. He wants Americans to make the Right® choice. Of course, that means they must accept his perception of morality, his beliefs, his religion. Anything less in his narrow view, is evil--wrong--bad, ect. His beliefs parallel not a democracy, but of a totalitarian nation in which citizens become subjects, and their personal freedoms and choices are stripped away by the Government. Because those people who believe differently, are Wrong® and Clirus is Right®.

 

[KomissarSteve]

Could it be that the propaganda of the Atheistic Liberal News Media is very effective? I have a blog that presents examples of the news media attacks Republicans, but says little about democrats.

That's because the Republican Party's current ideological agenda seems to be taking a daily trouncing from reality.