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How the Democratic Party opposes Christian Principles

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To portray God as a conservative, card carrying Republican to justify one's own political agenda is bad enough BUT to cast doubts on members of the Democratic Party as not being true Christians verges on blasphemy.

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At least you do understand the question.

People have to make a decision.

Republicans have yet to prove to me that they really support Christian principles, but democrats have proven they do "not" support Christian Principles.
According to the Greatest Commandment, love of God followed by love of neighbor as yourself are the two essential guiding principle for God's Law and the Prophets.

Only God is in a position to determine who loves/doesn't love Him and He isn't about to delegate that authority to those self-righteous individuals on earth who would be only to glad to judge others.

Love of God is often reflected on how we love our fellow man - and we can start by being nonjudgemental.

Christ focused much of His attention not on the common sinner, but the religious hypocrite as described in the 7 Woes:bow:
 
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According to the Greatest Commandment, love of God followed by love of neighbor as yourself are the two essential guiding principle for God's Law and the Prophets.

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Prevention vs Cure

The Bible favors prevention versus cure. The Republican party favors prevention and the democratic party favors cure. Abortion is a cure to the problem of sexual immorality. Funding for AIDS is the cure for the sin of homosexuality. Welfare is the cure for the sin of pornography that lead to the illegitimate children that leads to the need for welfare.

Republicans and Christians want to prevent people from getting to where they need abortion, AIDS cures and welfare. Abortion, AIDS and welfare are very painful to the people involved.

Cure requires a big government to tax the people so the government can provide money to the afflicted. Even the word cure is misleading because there is never a cure for the knowledge of an abortion, there is no cure for AIDS, and the slavery of welfare is horrible. Life can be sustained, but it is not the life Jesus Christ wants for mankind.

Prevention requires a person accept Jesus Christ because the self restraint required to resist the temptation of Satan is difficult. But the good news is that Jesus is available to all those who will accept Him.

Now I ask you, which is loving your neighbor as yourself, prevention or cure?

Ultimately, a person must make a decision as to which political party supports Christian Principals and which does not.
 
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The Bible favors prevention versus cure. The Republican party favors prevention and the democratic party favors cure. Abortion is a cure to the problem of sexual immorality. Funding for AIDS is the cure for the sin of homosexuality. Welfare is the cure for the sin of pornography that lead to the illegitimate children that leads to the need for welfare.

Republicans and Christians want to prevent people from getting to where they need abortion, AIDS cures and welfare. Abortion, AIDS and welfare are very painful to the people involved.

Assuming for a moment you're correct, human nature being what it is, prevention will inevitably fail. Do either Republicans or Christians even care enough to cure, or simply condemn?

Cure requires a big government to tax the people so the government can provide money to the afflicted. Even the word cure is misleading because there is never a cure for the knowledge of an abortion, there is no cure for AIDS, and the slavery of welfare is horrible. Life can be sustained, but it is not the life Jesus Christ wants for mankind.

There is no cure for AIDS, but there may be someday. Would you be against looking for one?

Prevention requires a person accept Jesus Christ because the self restraint required to resist the temptation of Satan is difficult.

Impossible, even.

But the good news is that Jesus is available to all those who will accept Him.

The bad news is that it's utterly meaningless if you are already in need of a cure and discover how quickly his followers leave you to rot.

Now I ask you, which is loving your neighbor as yourself, prevention or cure?

Both. What kind of sadist would choose one and neglect the other?

Ultimately, a person must make a decision as to which political party supports Christian Principals and which does not.

Seems to me that both parties have their shortcomings -- the Repubs, unlike Jesus, has no interest in saving those who are already afflicted.

Now, this is the point where you say, "Republicans have yet to prove to me that they really support Christian principles, but democrats have proven they do "not" support Christian Principles." and the rest of us fall asleep.

Perhaps you'll surprise me with an original response.
 
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The Bible favors prevention versus cure. The Republican party favors prevention and the democratic party favors cure. Abortion is a cure to the problem of sexual immorality. Funding for AIDS is the cure for the sin of homosexuality. Welfare is the cure for the sin of pornography that lead to the illegitimate children that leads to the need for welfare.
You still insist on telling the same lie! Why do you insist on stating that AIDS and homosexuality are linked? Can you answer AIDS is the end result of homosexuality when lesbians have the lowest transmission rate? Are lesbians God's favorites?
 
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There is no cure for AIDS, but there may be someday. Would you be against looking for one?

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Looking for a cure for AIDS should be funded by private donations instead of funded by the government.

The government violates Separation of Church and State when it funds any activity that favors one group and not another. Christianity says homosexuality is evil, thus if the government favors homosexuality it is opposing Christianity.

That is the reason the government should not be involved in any social programs (welfare, health care, etc.).

Business need to adopt a Social Issue Neutrality (SIN) Policy and the government should also.

Social Issue Neutrality for Business

It would be best if businesses issued a statement of Social Issue Neutrality. This statement should proclaim the business will not offer any support (verbal, financial, etc.) to any social issues unless approved by stock holders voting. Employees of the company can do what they think appropriate, however the resources of the company should not to be used.

Most business are in stiff competition with global companies and should not be spending resources on anything that does not contribute to the bottom line health of the company.

A Social Issue Neutrality policy would be the lowest cost option and should keep both sides from punishing the company.

The "fifth annual Corporate Equality Index, which examines and evaluates corporate policies affecting gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender employees throughout the country" is an example of how companies are being manipulated. One could imagine, that if a company was gay friendly then it is not Christian friendly, thus Christians should not be involved with that company.

An economic war on businesses over social issues would hurt all businesses. Best to leave social issues to politics where the people have a right to vote to decide social issues.
 
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There is no cure for AIDS, but there may be someday. Would you be against looking for one?

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Looking for a cure for AIDS should be funded by private donations instead of funded by the government.

Are you suggesting that the government has no vested interest in stopping disease?

You do realize that there's an entire government organization known as the "Center for Disease Control and Prevention." Shall we mothball it?

Where oh where shall the endlerly, the young, the poor, or any combination of the above, get their flu shots?

The government violates Separation of Church and State when it funds any activity that favors one group and not another.

Because every "Group" is a religion unto itself? :scratch:


Christianity says homosexuality is evil, thus if the government favors homosexuality it is opposing Christianity.

But how is the government supporting Homosexuality?

That is the reason the government should not be involved in any social programs (welfare, health care, etc.).

Because by actually taking care of people, it's infringing on the rights of Christians?

Business need to adopt a Social Issue Neutrality (SIN) Policy and the government should also.

And anyone who does not abide should thus be left to die, by both the government and private businesses? You just said that private donations should fund AIDS research. Now you seem to imply that it should not.

Make up your mind, or at least have the honesty to come right out and condemn these people to die.

(I took the liberty of snipping the irrelevent spam.)
 
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Make up your mind, or at least have the honesty to come right out and condemn these people to die.

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The concept that Christians condemn people to die is detestable. The Bible teaches personally responsibility. Atheists advocate the group responsibility concept of Socialism.

Christians must present to the world what is good and what is evil, as defined in the Bible, and warn people that evil leads to disease, death and destruction. At that point, whatever happens to the person is their own personal responsibility.

There is always an intent to place a guilt trip on Christians, that they are not doing enough, but that guilt trip (if accepted) is not from God. If a woman has an abortion, then she and the doctor is the one that killed the baby, not me for failing to prevent her. If a child starves to death because the father abandoned the child, it is the father that killed the child, not me for not giving the child food. If a child is killed in a war because the leader got the nation into war, then it is the leaders that killed the child, not me for fighting in the war.

Every Christian must answer to God and if God lays something on the heart of a person, then it must be done, but the great commission is to save peoples souls, not their physical bodies. If a person is led to give money to the poor, that is fine with me because I presume God led them to do that, but I do not believe giving money to the poor is a requirement of a Christian, especially if that money ends up subsidizing sin instead of leading the person to a changed lifestyle.

The government must present to the world what is good and what is evil, and then warn people that evil leads to disease, death and destruction. At that point, whatever happens to the person is their own personal responsibility.

The only time this has been done recently is the "Is there anything dumber than smoking" campaign. The basic concept of the tobacco settlement was that the government should not be responsible for the expense of lung cancer because the tobacco companies did not provide a warning.

The government has an additional responsibility and that is to eliminate evil when it is a threat to society. Murders are a threat to society and they should be eliminated by execution. People that drive cars after repeated DUIs should be executed because they represent a threat to society. There are a lot of issues that should be dealt with on the bases of a "three strikes and you are out (executed)"

The government has a responsibility to protect the people from evil and to eliminate evil. Government does not have a responsibility to provide services for the people.


It is one thing to spend money to investigate a disease/condition and determine what can be done, but it is another thing to actually do anything, especially if it is determined the disease can be prevented by people changing their lifestyle.

A lot of people (especially the needy) like the concept of Socialism, because they think they are getting something for nothing. They get money for drugs, but they don't have to stop taking drugs. The needy think it is good that the government steals from the responsible to give to the irresponsible.

Under Socialism, should the government bail out the New York City irresponsible banks that made the mistake of being involved in sub-prime mortgage loans.

Under Socialism, should the government bail out the people of New Orleans that made the mistake of building houses in an area that was underwater with limited protection.

The only reasonable way for people, business and government to operate is personal responsibility. Capitalism produces unequal prosperity, but Socialism creates equal poverty.
The government should get out all socialistic programs such a welfare and health care. The government should not require businesses or individuals to offer or participate in insurance programs that bind the responsible with the irresponsible.

I believe those who advocate the Atheistic Lifestyle do more to condemn people to die than those who advocate the Christian Lifestyle were there is a clear separation of what is good and what is evil. It is sort of silly to advocate recreational sex, then ask the people that live by a code that warns against recreational sex to pay for the mistake that resulted from the recreational sex.

A society that will not eliminate evil will be consumed by the evil it fails to eliminate.

A rotten apple does destroy the whole barrel.

In summary, I do not buy into the guilt trip promoted by the Atheists, but I am glad you asked the question.
 
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