How old is the world?

[DJ_Ghost]

Evolution only does what science says it should do . So far it hasn't done any of it

Coming from some one who thinks that reproduction falsifies evolution when it is required by the theoty.

Forgive me, but you have no credability on the subject of evolution.

Ghost

 

[DJ_Ghost]

Creationism is the single most foolish, idiotic, arrogant, baseless and presumptive stance on ANYTHING existing in our modern world.

There is NO proof whatsoever for it, no scientific data even hints at it.

EVIDENCE. the word you are looking for is evidence. Proof is for Maths and alcohol not science (Not that creationists is science).

Its bad enough that the creationists display a woeful ignorance of correct scientific parlance without you doing it as well and further hampering our efforts to explain them.

What this is coming down to is the Christians' inability to accept defeat.

Christianity does not equal creationism.

Again its bad enough the creationists don’t seem to get that without you propagating the same foolish myth.

Ghost

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

Huh? If it repolarizes, as you claim, why don't birds ever migrate NORTH for the winter? Also, magnets of a like polarity REPEL each other, so why don't animals that eat a lot of iron fly off into space? As to the magnetic field, this would pull the moon closer because the Moon has iron in it. Therefore, it's magnetic. The magnetic field 3 billion years ago would destroy ALL life forms, and a repolarization would send EVERYTHING into space.

This is some of the worst, most uninformed creationist reasoning I think I've ever seen.

 

[Floodnut]

Bibically if the world is six thousand years old than that would make dinosaurs being in existence before the world was created. How can this be?

My dear seeker, if you really desire the Wisdom of God, this is certainly NOT the place to find it. If you want to believe in the Bible then I can direct you to sites that will help you in your faith. If you want to believe in Evolution and if you want to reject the notion of the existence of God, then there are many people here who can direct you to sites that will help you in that faith.

Those who believe in the Bible and a young earth would assert and insist that dinosaurs and humans CO-existed.

 

[Floodnut]

Telling lies for God is acceptable. I think there's a clause in the commandment about bearing false witness that says something along the lines that if a lie increases the faith of the faithful it's OK.

God denying atheists and promotors of evolution have no prohibition against lying so they can make up falsehoods like this with no moral compunction.

 

[Floodnut]

Then how did the universe come into existance without God unless there was a Big Bang?

God said, "LET THERE BE. . . ." and BANG!, it was.

 

[Lucretius]

God denying atheists and promotors of evolution have no prohibition against lying so they can make up falsehoods like this with no moral compunctionl.

Science is not morals.

 

[Floodnut]

There's no limit to your dishonesty.

This is an allegation of dishonesty to a person who is asserting that there are depictions of dinosaurs on ancient pottery. The person who says that there are depictions of dinosaurs on pottery is not being dishonest. It is dishonest to assert that the person who says there are depictions of dinosaurs is dishonest.

to say, "There's no limit to your dishonesty" is DISHONEST. Dipictions of dinosaurs are all over the world in very many cultures and you know it. But your evolutionary timetable won't allow you to admit. You are not lying about this, you are just snared in a web and can't extricate yourself long enought to ponder the pictures. Dinosaurs and humans have co-existed.

 

[Floodnut]

I don't think anyone has to assume anything at this point. http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/fosrec/McKinney.html

This statement was made with respect to a prior statement: "You are assuming that dinosaurs and humans did not co-exist."

Now the Agnostic, who is unsure of the existence of God, this agnostic is sure that the scholars of Berkeley are correct in their assesment that dinos and humans did not co-exist. There are other authorities that have a moral foundation, who assert that in fact they did co-exist.

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

God denying atheists and promotors of evolution have no prohibition against lying so they can make up falsehoods like this with no moral compunctionl.

Never mind for a second the fact that what you said is blatantly false.

Why, then, are professional creationists such pervasive liars?

 

[Floodnut]

I apologize as I can not find the link, but I have seen someone on this very forum refute that. The pottery turned out to be forgeries made by natives from images they saw in comic books. Maybe someone can help me out with a reference. I’ll keep looking and add it as an edit later.

The information posted on this Christian Forum which rejects the dino pottery is like proving that Star Trek is falsehood, or that alley oop is fiction. It still does not deal with the very many legitimate evidences of dino/human co-existence. There are clear forgeries. But there are actual ones as well. But on top of the disputable evidences in the natural world, for the Christian who might be visiting this "CHRISTIAN" forum, the Bible states clearly that dinos and humans co-existed. Other "evidences" must be evaluated in the light of that authoritative truth.

 

[DJ_Ghost]

God denying atheists and promotors of evolution have no prohibition against lying so they can make up falsehoods like this with no moral compunctionl.

Evolution does not equal atheism.

Ghost

 

[ChrisS]

Never mind for a second the fact that what you said is blatantly false.

Why, then, are professional creationists such pervasive liars?

Not professional, just misguided, possibly a little stubborn.

 

[Floodnut]

Same reason we find half animal half human pictures in egyptian pictigraphs or pegasus on Greecian urns or vampires in most cultures in this world. Humans have incredible imaginations and when it gets dark outside we see what scares us.

It is quite interesting though, how accurately the dinosaur forms were "IMAGINED" by people who supposedly never saw the actual animals. The half human, half animals depictions are based on combining actual animals and actual humans, and the dinosaurs depicted are based on actual animals, or combinations of various species of dinosaurs.

 

[AnEmpiricalAgnostic]

My dear seeker, if you really desire the Wisdom of God, this is certainly NOT the place to find it.

Right, it’s too hard to get brainwashed with all these facts flying about.

If you want to believe in the Bible then I can direct you to sites that will help you in your faith.

These sites will surely help block out the influence of reality so you can be “free” to believe as they tell you.

If you want to believe in Evolution and if you want to reject the notion of the existence of God,

Because he would like you to believe that if you understand evolution then you can’t believe in god at the same time. People like this would like you to think evolution = atheism. It’s an age old tactic used to help scare people away from science. The old “If you believe in evolution you’re gonna go to hell you know” rubbish.

then there are many people here who can direct you to sites that will help you in that faith.

The next line of crapola you’ll be fed is that science is a religion. Ironically insulting science by saying it’s like their unsubstantiated beliefs.

 

[mikeynov]

Of all the various YEC lunacy I've experienced, I have to say that the human/dino co-existence (ignoring birds, of course) thing has to be one of the loopiest.

 

[Floodnut]

This is called a Claytons refute - The type of refute you have when you are not having a refute

He can't find the refutation. Its there in a CF post. I am a YEC, and I have seen the refute in question regarding certain ICA "artifacts." As to some of the pieces, the refutation may in fact be correct. So what? I have read the Bible and it clearly teaches the co-existence of dinos and humans, with or without archaeological evidence, and with or without natural confirmation.

But the Ica depictions are not the only ones. They are also found in Europe, Britain, Asia, Scandinavia, Central America, North America, Africa, the Andes of Peru, not just among the Ica, but the Incas also.

 

[mikeynov]

He can't find the refutation. I am a YEC, and I have seen the refute. So what? I have read the Bibe and it clearly teaches the co-existence of dinos and humans, with or without archaeological evidence. But the Ica depictions are not the only ones. They are also found in Europe, Britain, Asia, Scandinavia, Central America, North America, Africa, the Andes of Peru, not just among the Ica, but the Incas also.

The bible clearly teaches no such thing. Even suggesting it is R-O-T-F-L :\

 

[DJ_Ghost]

. So what? I have read the Bibe and it clearly teaches the co-existence of dinos and humans, with or without archaeological evidence, and with or without natural confirmation.

Here here! All that pesky evidence is nothing we can’t ignore until it goes away!

Ghost

 

[Floodnut]

It can't. Simply: the Bible was written by men who knew no dinosaurs and possibly only knew their lineage up to a certain point that was documented (or perhaps improvised a little).

The Bible was written by fallible men, but under divine inspiration. Moreover some of these men had indeed seen dinosaurs, since dinosaurs and men did indeed co-exist, both before and after the flood. They describe dinosaurs and talk about them as being as commonplace as whales and camels.